Legalize Marijuana - Yay or Nay

[lone dragon]

I can and will elabourate.

It's just a touch early for me to get in the right head space.

I am patient take your time and say what you want..

[[KMA]Avenger]

there is a HUGE difference between skunk and stronger forms of Hemp/Marijuana and unadulterated Hemp/marijuana, and just so we are ALL on the same page with regards to 1 or the other i ask again, define which type of Marijuana we are talking about please

I am talking about any Hemp/marijuana that you get stoned or a chemical reaction in which a person has a trip, hallucination or buzz out of. Any and all its the trip or buzz I am talking about.. Its the trip that does it. Stresses the brain and causes the start of all the problems I know there are degrees and strengths in the drug but pre-longed use like alcohol, smokes or anything has an affect..

you don't seem to understand that while ALL strains of Hemp (i will call it from now on since that is its true name) will give you a buzz (obviously) not all forms of hemp are natural and not all highs are equal in length or strength...

but meh, whatever, i have been around people smoking pure Hemp all my life (i don't smoke it myself), i have friends and family who smoke it for all sorts of reasons, and i can tell you from growing up around these people and knowing them all my life (41 years to be exact) you don't have a clue what you are talking about!


i will leave you to your delusions....

[Poppler King]

Ok Lone marijuana does not cause brain cell damage and it doesn't matter whether you're smoking skunk, purple haze or "natural" marijuana, people say skunk and stronger strains of marijuana that contain more THC are more dangerous, WRONG! You cannot overdose on marijuana and more often than not(well in ireland anyway) you're far better off buying the stronger strains as they are far less likely to be tampered with or sprayed.
The more THC in the strain you're smoking just means you're gonna get higher at the time, you smoke too much and you'll fall asleep to wake up feeling maybe a bit groggy the next morning but most likely you'll just feel well rested.
The only study ever conducted about marijuana that had brain damage as a result at the end was when white mice were forced to inhale pure THC vapour for 1 minute and the brain damage was due to oxygen deprivation not because of the THC.(Pretty sure that study was mentioned earlier on in this thread).

[lone dragon]

Thus far..

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Yet another brainwashed one. *sigh*

[quote[KMA]Avenger]
i will leave you to your delusions....
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my response:

I do not agree with the legalization of Marijuana..
I respect your opinion, but I will agree to disagree

from now on this is all that I will say....

[Alex]

I do not agree with the legalization of Marijuana..
I respect your opinion, but I will agree to disagree

from now on this is all that I will say....

That is not debating, if you are going to continuously post that and only that over and over again I'd advise you to instead not post in this thread at all. Debating is fine, but you are saying that you are gonna spam the thread...

[lone dragon]

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Yet another brainwashed one. *sigh*

i will leave you to your delusions....

But this is..?
As I have said I have listened to your opinions; attacked your evidence, but not attacked anyone..
if you want to debate then keep it on the matter at hand just cause you don't like what i say that's fine, attack the evidence I am fine with this but personal attacks I want no part of. I am not delusional I am completely functional, if you want me to participant keep on the topic, otherwise I take it as only one response... That you don't want to listen or contend with evidence, you just want to be right, if you do just tell me and you can be right. Also this is not focused on Alex I only as to be treated with respect.. I don't ask much.. I have not personally attacked anyone only the evidence you have put forward I ask you do the same..

Just tell me is this about debate or being right...?

[[KMA]Avenger]

NO, you misunderstand, that wasn't a personal attack i was simply disagreeing.

i have lived with people from all walks of life who smoke pot and they are still after so many years of smoking the stuff-of sound mind.
i have also done allot of investigating into the background of Hemp and why there has been a campaign by Govt and big pharma company's for nearly 100 years to demonize Hemp and brainwash the masses into accepting the point of view that Hemp is "bad" for you, all i am saying is, stop parroting and regurgitating what you have been taught, find out for yourself.

i will only accept the view that it should be banned after an INDEPENDENT and double blind study has been made, if that's what the study ultimately shows...


but dont hold your breath, Govt will NEVER do such a study.

[Alex]

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Yet another brainwashed one. *sigh*

i will leave you to your delusions....

But this is..?
As I have said I have listened to your opinions; attacked your evidence, but not attacked anyone..
if you want to debate then keep it on the matter at hand just cause you don't like what i say that's fine, attack the evidence I am fine with this but personal attacks I want no part of. I am not delusional I am completely functional, if you want me to participant keep on the topic, otherwise I take it as only one response... That you don't want to listen or contend with evidence, you just want to be right, if you do just tell me and you can be right. Also this is not focused on Alex I only as to be treated with respect.. I don't ask much.. I have not personally attacked anyone only the evidence you have put forward I ask you do the same..

Just tell me is this about debate or being right...?

I haven't attacked you personally, so I'm not sure why my name was in that post... I have no control over what other people say, and while they may be directed at you I'd hardly call those 2 posts offensive.

Anyways, back on topic. You ask where I got the numbers from for what I had said before, they are the estimated numbers of people with schizophrenia, and the estimated number of people with schizophrenia "from smoking weed".

You've yet to disprove my previous statement.

You also claim that we are disregarding your "evidence", so far you've linked 3 articles in one post that are questionable at best in backing your claims At the same time none of them disprove my argument, nor do they discredit the sources that I posted.

You quote selective lines in previous posts that suit your needs best and completely ignore the rest of the post, then you claim that we are ignoring the facts when you give nothing to respond too but claims of things not actually happening.

[lone dragon]

NO, you misunderstand, that wasn't a personal attack i was simply disagreeing.

i have lived with people from all walks of life who smoke pot and they are still after so many years of smoking the stuff-of sound mind.
i have also done allot of investigating into the background of Hemp and why there has been a campaign by Govt and big pharma company's for nearly 100 years to demonize Hemp and brainwash the masses into accepting the point of view that Hemp is "bad" for you, all i am saying is, stop parroting and regurgitating what you have been taught, find out for yourself.

i will only accept the view that it should be banned after an INDEPENDENT and double blind study has been made, if that's what the study ultimately shows...

but dont hold your breath, Govt will NEVER do such a study.

I have had some good friends go down the POT I don't agree with anything a government, I have seen first hand what it does, I would hate to see it again. While what i parrot from what i learn and I will agree that research is not always provable this a personal issue I am trying to be objective but when you see how you care for do down to such an illness. I have met many people in my life some are lucky, but not all are.

If you were right and I hadn't seen what I have I would be on your side, I would I really would, I would stand by you til days end.. But I am allergic to it myself one whiff and LD becomes something I am not prowd of.. and even on the pure stuff. I never had skunk. I will agree for some there are uses and I agree they should be used but public use, you know what I mean imagine a child like 3 or 4 paying for a mistake look at the 60's.

i will only accept the view that it should be banned after an INDEPENDENT and double blind study has been made, if that's what the study ultimately shows...

Oh you can quote me on this I agree the sooner the better.. If I find one you will have the link soon after and I mean you will have it, If I see it I will to all I can to give it to you...

i have also done allot of investigating into the background of Hemp and why there has been a campaign by Govt and big pharma company's for nearly 100 years to demonize Hemp

I agree with other methods such as medicinal herps and thing more investigations need to start here. Check out Chinese medicine, Indian medicine, you will kick yourself how ignorant western medicine is...

You also claim that we are disregarding your "evidence", so far you've linked 3 articles in one post that are questionable at best in backing your claims At the same time none of them disprove my argument, nor do they discredit the sources that I posted.

Meta analysis are normally 50 or more research articles rolled into one it gives you a data point of multiple researches in one research. Generally gives a better idea of what is happening and is easier..

but dont hold your breath, Govt will NEVER do such a study.

If I could I would..

[Alex]

but when you see how you care for do down to such an illness. I have met many people in my life some are lucky, but not all are.

Well, I already explained the numbers and said based on those numbers marijuana may not be the main contributer.

If you were right and I hadn't seen what I have I would be on your side, I would I really would, I would stand by you til days end.. But I am allergic to it myself one whiff and LD becomes something I am not prowd of.. and even on the pure stuff. I never had skunk. I will agree for some there are uses and I agree they should be used but public use, you know what I mean imagine a child like 3 or 4 paying for a mistake look at the 60's.

Not sure what you mean in your last post talking about a child 3 or 4 paying for mistakes and to look at the 60's? Please explain.

As for you saying that you would be singing a different tune if you hadn't seen what you've seen. Im guessing its relative as I've been around alot of it and know some people that have used it for a long time and even older people that had used it without "destroying their lives" as many anti-marijuana campaigners would lead one to believe. I've indulged once or twice myself and I honestly believe that if you allow yourself to be so consumed with it that it impacts your life in a negative manner then thats your own fault. Other then that it's a lot of hype that projects that marijuana is a "road to destruction".

[lone dragon]

It IS only you, people like you and individuals who benefit financially from unpatentable plants who are opposed to it, Pops.

Oh, and then there's Jack, but only because he doesn't like potheads. Nor do I. Individuals who make any substance or thing a central part of their identity are ridiculous, from my experience. I think Anime should be outlawed or regulated.

Anime fans are much more intolerable than potheads, plus I have scientific evidence that Anime causes a myriad of mental disorders, including, among other things, raising the likelihood of people exposed to such sociopaths being called names like "baka". Furthermore, Anime causes those affected by it to feel that their eyes are of inadequate size, their nose of excessive size and their hairdo not spectacular enough, causing such individuals to seek any means to modify their appearance in an inane, mindless mess they call "cosplay".

Agapooka

I am against the all out outlawing of Anime, however I am open to regulations.

How would these regulations work? I mean like would I be able to continue casually enjoying the odd intelligent and entertaining Anime from time to time uninhibited or would I be forced to jump through hoops? I don't want to jump through hoops just to watch an episode of FMA, but at the sametime anime freaks are some of the most annoying "people" on earth. Worse than potheads even.

Do you mean Anime could you explain this to me, I would appreciate to understand what you mean?

[Mister Sandman]

Been busy, will comment here soon oneday, I see that the the good fight is going on to say nay ...


AS for this, I question the reasons people want it legalised.

It seems people are addicted to it.

So a few questions,
1. Why would you want to smoke it in the first place? People use it as an escape same with alcohol, which is sad.

To be frank its an addiction.

2. You are aware of the health detriments smoking this substance. How do you intend to prove that the supposed health benefits are real? There is yet to be sufficient data to prove that.

3. Does any one understand what sort of legal issues of legalising weed will have? ... you need to consider this.

[[KMA]Avenger]

AS for this, I question the reasons people want it legalised.

because its a natural plant and people have a right to do what they see fit with it, regardless if you or ANYONE else agrees with it or not, and unlike the poppy flower, its NOT destructive or detrimental to human health.

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it seems people are addicted to it.

i've smoked it maybe 4 or 5 times in my early to mid 20's...i don't smoke it now nor do i have any intentions of smoking it in the future. also, 1 of my brothers smoked it for nearly 15 years and gave it up just over a year ago because he was finding it harder and harder to find the natural unadulterated stuff and he simply couldn't be bothered any more, unlike his smoking habit which he hasnt been able to quit after 5 years of trying.

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So a few questions,
1. Why would you want to smoke it in the first place? People use it as an escape same with alcohol, which is sad.

wrong, it has nothing to with escape and everything to do with preference based on an individuals wants.

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To be frank its an addiction.

EPIC WRONG! there is NOTHING addictive about it unlike booze, cigarettes and stronger drugs...

see above.

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2. You are aware of the health detriments smoking this substance. How do you intend to prove that the supposed health benefits are real? There is yet to be sufficient data to prove that.

as stated by myself in a previous post and by others here, many have been demanding for many years that Govt commission an independent double blind study...they would sooner start wars than give people what they want.

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3. Does any one understand what sort of legal issues of legalising weed will have? ... you need to consider this.

legal issues? the legal system is supposed to serve, not interfere.

[Kit-Fox]

Been busy, will comment here soon oneday, I see that the the good fight is going on to say nay ...


AS for this, I question the reasons people want it legalised.

It seems people are addicted to it.

So a few questions,
1. Why would you want to smoke it in the first place? People use it as an escape same with alcohol, which is sad.

To be frank its an addiction.

2. You are aware of the health detriments smoking this substance. How do you intend to prove that the supposed health benefits are real? There is yet to be sufficient data to prove that.

3. Does any one understand what sort of legal issues of legalising weed will have? ... you need to consider this.

So would you care to provide your data that proves that 100% of cannabis users are addicted and that cannabis use leads to a 100% addiction??

Would you care to provide your data on the health detriments?? We've (that is the pro crowd) have shown you our data on the benefits but all we hear from the nay crowd is how its going to destroy our lives with no proof other than hearsay.

As for legal issues, well i'm not quite sure what you mean by that? I assume you mean what would happen to prosecutions for those who have been caught dealing or in possesion. Well one assumes that a blanket pardon would be in order, as well as release from custody anyone who had been convited of only cannabis use/dealing/possession. Thats about the only thing that would be needed as governments are protected from prosecution relating to such changes in law that would release people from custody (ie those released couldnt claim for false imprisonment etc)

EDIT: I should point out that you are still confusing mental and phsyical addictions, they are two very different things indeed. Really you ought to learn the difference as only a phsyical addiction can cause your body any harm (and just in case you bring it up, cannabis use only very rarely leads to a phsyical addiction {rarer than the risk presented by drugs used by the medical professions} most in fact i'd say probably somewhere to the order of 99.96% at least of those who might be considered addicted are only mentally addicted to the drug)

[lone dragon]

Been busy, will comment here soon oneday, I see that the the good fight is going on to say nay ...


AS for this, I question the reasons people want it legalised.

It seems people are addicted to it.

So a few questions,
1. Why would you want to smoke it in the first place? People use it as an escape same with alcohol, which is sad.

To be frank its an addiction.

2. You are aware of the health detriments smoking this substance. How do you intend to prove that the supposed health benefits are real? There is yet to be sufficient data to prove that.

3. Does any one understand what sort of legal issues of legalising weed will have? ... you need to consider this.

So would you care to provide your data that proves that 100% of cannabis users are addicted and that cannabis use leads to a 100% addiction??

Would you care to provide your data on the health detriments?? We've (that is the pro crowd) have shown you our data on the benefits but all we hear from the nay crowd is how its going to destroy our lives with no proof other than hearsay.

As for legal issues, well i'm not quite sure what you mean by that? I assume you mean what would happen to prosecutions for those who have been caught dealing or in possesion. Well one assumes that a blanket pardon would be in order, as well as release from custody anyone who had been convited of only cannabis use/dealing/possession. Thats about the only thing that would be needed as governments are protected from prosecution relating to such changes in law that would release people from custody (ie those released couldnt claim for false imprisonment etc)

EDIT: I should point out that you are still confusing mental and phsyical addictions, they are two very different things indeed. Really you ought to learn the difference as only a phsyical addiction can cause your body any harm (and just in case you bring it up, cannabis use only very rarely leads to a phsyical addiction {rarer than the risk presented by drugs used by the medical professions} most in fact i'd say probably somewhere to the order of 99.96% at least of those who might be considered addicted are only mentally addicted to the drug)

I have a question....If a drug is illegal who is going to admit it to be tested and who would admit they are smoking it let alone admit to an addiction?