Is it me or does a hypocrite love to see his words in print?

[Brdavs]

Brace youreslf, its gonna be a long one.


My own thread, for the first time, how exillerating! Long overdue if you ask me.

I allways spoke my mind and I seldome bite my toung when doing so. Both has a tendency to land me in hot water and make ma a somewhat poor diplomat. But tis who I am.

And as years pass our memmories get holes... O`s get tangled with N`s,O`neils become Noxes and one looses track of just how many times one was descended or what the bill was. May we all be forgiven of our lapsus linguae & memoriae, eh.


But experiances of the bigger moments in history leave behind a flavour in ones mouth, an impression & imprint, and that cannot be mistaken or misconstrued.


I started my SGW path as your »underling« etl, a part of the GA. Life was good back then, lots of perks, little realisation of their nature at the time. Then the CF war came. And it was in that war that a few things boiled up for the surface for the first but not only time... The »fickleness« of updates... The arbitrarity of awarding the »cheating« title to people... the ego obsessive nature of these coalitions, and the ruthlessness in pursuing opposing induviduals on even a personal scale. Alliances got disbanded under gunpoint, wich I think was the first at the time. (TA,proud as ever back then, being the only one to refuse, bought themselves the first payed ticket out after a couple more weeks in the frying pan if I recall.) List were made of who was barred certain ingame actions like leading alliances. People were not at all bluntly »suggesting« to others they leave »for the good of the community« and bollox like that.
And that last occurance was the very first time I think I spoke out against you/(your) policies, biting the hand that at that time still fed and sheltered me. As it turned out, twas the start of a »nasty« habbit I`ve been unable to shake ever since.

Time rolled on our paths »diverged«, and eventually, GA gave way to CoP and the unparalleled homogeny of the game and forums. I was sticking in my 2 euro cents about wars conducted, random massings etc. etc. back when saying the wrong/crytical thing of your group got people massed on the spot for their trouble (I still remember twas RepliJake that popped my cherry in that respect) & never hid under a pseudonym to voice my oppinion. Back in that day massing allso ment something, not as much as in the past, but more than today. I never build expendable stats for that reason, but I never held my peace when I had something to say either. And I had my opposing say about personal attacks, choking of ascended, random ID generators, bloody Sundays, MAD 1hit on us and we nuke on both servers but we farm you all day policies & variety of other topics. None were ever pleasant to your ear.

Tome rolled on further and criticall mass was reached by you I suppose... when a bunch of slovenians, in no small part coming from yourown ranks broke away and formed TL twas the spark needed to ignite the flame that was CIA. Villified and abused for their nationality, the group that formed TL and declared their intent not to bow down found themselves besieged by your coalition within days of its creation. Slowly but surely, as their resistance provided an example others trickled in and we all know how it ended. I joined TL after the war, at the behest of the friend Blue that brought me into this game at the very beginning.


But I know now that people do not change. Some of those that came from CoP brought a bit too much of CoP with them. I never appreciated the »goauld playstyle« and never masked that fact, imo it is an exuse for sadistic and illintented tendencies people let loose under the guise of annonimity. As suh playstyle allienated TL from people I spoke against it feverously. Two blocks formed inside the alliance and threathened to implode it completley. And it was ultimalty I who came up with the notion TDL be created from within TL by the elements with such a playstyle.
Alas it turned out it only slowed down the issues that culminated in a formation of a coalition against us and our reaction to it.
Tekki will remember that despite everything we may disagree on, that war was not started out of financial motivation on either side. But it got ugly, that much is true. As it concluded alliances were given terms and let out, but tekkis alliance was singled out as the percieved »ringleader« and treated more harshly, thoe disbandement was never our goal. Reparations cameinto the mix, and thoe I was not at all enthusiastic about it I share a portion of the blame for holding my peace and going with the flow pitching into the frey on the forums, being a regular & active member at the time. But somewhere allong the line that degenerated into a sheere annimocity between tekki and certain induviduals on our side (and I do not think the brdavs-tekki short circuit was the main one heh). Same annimocity that likely caused AEU singeling out in the first place. Stubborness on both ends cuased the number to spin out of control exponantionally as words were exchanged, for the sole reason to spite/punish and I have no quarell admitting that was indeed the darkest moment in TLEs history at the time & to date.


I carried my share of the blame then and I carry all of it via guilt of association today. For all the members that you put forward as the example of TLs wrongdoing and evil status today have left more than a year and a half ago.

What one of them did to with your forum account months into his leave I do not know. Perhaps it was your charming misdemeanor and loving relationship you two had that spurred him on. And as for the other, he moved on with his life as far as I knew, not banned and not have joined you as you wished. What they both did as part of the educators with your group I allways have, and allways will, condemn. I consider them my friends to this day, but they more than anyone know from our frictions that on what they did we did not allways see eye to eye.



But I`m here and I still speak out and I take the good and the bad that my tag brings with it. Cos in my mind the good still outweigs the bad by a long way. TL was concieved in conflict against your powerblock and rallied the popular movement against despots in a trully poetic fashion. True, it`s light dimmed somewhat due to the subsequent mistakes but it is still a symbol. Which you know, for the only alliance in TF today to not have been offered terms of surrender more than once is TL. All others have appointed diplomats to them and get »massaged« weekly to give in. Not TL, the spark must be extinguished as an example.

But for my part, I do not intent to compromise again. As long as I post I will rip into actions, present and past I deem »ripworthy«. And as long as I am ingame I will be TL, if only to serve as a reminder to people that there were people once, and are still today, that would play this game and post on ths forum free from the invisible hand of one of your supercoalitions.

Looking back at my sgw career and conduct, I am content. My conscience is clear. I never willingly abused a fellow sgw player from a vantage of ingame power or instigated/advocated it. I as a player have never been imbroiled in any abuse/extort/educate/take advantage of or any other questionable situations. I`ve spoken out for the little guy and I continue to do so today (leave perg guys alone! lol).

And I know that in all but one cases I`ve done what I thought was right&decent, and in the one I did not I fess up to the **Filtered** of it, pure and simple, it was horrible and I likely did not do everything I could to prevent it, like walking out.

So bad mistakes, I made a few(one), I've had my share of sand kicked in my face(on the count of it) - But I've come through. (lol couldnt help it but go Freddie M on you, epic stache).



Under the line, as I `ve said, people don`t fundamentaly change etl. You can burry your actions and your nature under a years time of absence, new members,reinterpretations & pointing your finger at me but the past and karma catch up with you sooner or later. I`m fine with that personally. But I can understand why you`re sprinting as fast as you can to stay ahaed of as much of it as you can. I witnessed it.

The fact you get the vibe I`m stalking you is coincidental. All the paths lead to Rome they say, and a lot of the dirty little practices and secrets in SGW have fingers leading to you. It is not I who stalk you, it`s your illustrious past - as you try to pass yourself as one without one. The crusades I conduct and my hypocracy is thus pointing out your hypocracy.

So if you think that your words and this thread will shut me up any more than RepliJakes massings could all those years back, you are very much mistaken. I`ve got my sin incarnate in tekki. You, in a manner of speaking, have me.

[Juliette]

All fair and good, you and EtL are in the same boat in that regard. (1) Still, I wonder. Do you need to speak out at every point where you see EtL? Does he do that? You know how boats move on faster if you don't rock it whenever you feel like it? *grin*



(1) With the exception that Tekki was a victim of your ruthlessness, and you.. were you ever an actual 'victim' of EtL? Or have you taken that role for yourself?
Technically, the answer to that question would be beside the point, but I'm a curious person/thing. Feel free to ignore me.. I am a rather poor observer.

[Brdavs]

All fair and good, you and EtL are in the same boat in that regard. (1) Still, I wonder. Do you need to speak out at every point where you see EtL? Does he do that? You know how boats move on faster if you don't rock it whenever you feel like it? *grin*



(1) With the exception that Tekki was a victim of your ruthlessness, and you.. were you ever an actual 'victim' of EtL? Or have you taken that role for yourself?
Technically, the answer to that question would be beside the point, but I'm a curious person/thing. Feel free to ignore me.. I am a rather poor observer.

I would argue that in the times I speak of, everyone was victim of "ETLs ruthlessness". The game itself was. The fact that practices existed I was able to avoid for the most part does not imo disqualify me from mentioning them. You can diss me for the tekki thing too.

I am the voice of the one crying in the desert, the voice of those that have no voice, silenced or massed into submission.

As to why at every opportunity. What kind of a nemessis would I be if I had not?

But in all seriosness, look at my posting history. Other than a spike this last week it`s been abysmal. It`s far away from following the guy around. But if he posts in a manner inconsistent with his character and past from a high horse, you can bet your tooshie I`ll point it out if I happen to spot it.

[Mordack]

Power corrupts, and absoloute power corrupt absoloutely. TLE may have been founded for all the right reasons, and spearheaded a 'poetic' movement against the COP hegemony, but I don't feel as though they have too much room to be sat atop a high horse nowadays. As they became more and more powerful many players, often those involved in the so 'so-called' Zion movement, began to hail them as the new Omega. I'm not so sure that was true, but I think that their actions have been sufficiently questiontable and hypocritical to render them no better or worse than the great satan they were supposedly formed to destroy.

And regardless of how clear your own conscience is, Brdavs, all of the players who've remained in coalitions to their own advantage whilst turning a conveniently blind eye to the elements they'd rather not be associated with, are as guilty as the bullies and the exortionists.

[Brdavs]

Nobody is trully innocent the saying also goes. Especially if guilt by association is employed. Few in this thread and none onthis page are not complicit to bullies and extortionists, since this is true, no?

And as I said, I`ll take all the dirt left over from blahh and zesh you care to shovel my way on.
I am fully willing to play the "hypocrit calling out the hypocrit" game. Cos underneath it all I, as an induvidual in regards to him, and even TLE in regards to his coalitions, as flawed as it became, still have immensly less to be called out for.
For every shovell of associated dirt you dump on my lap I dump 3 of hisown produce on his.

And in that light, I will not tollerate idly as *etl*, of all people, who pioneered most of the practices in question, transforms himself into a walking pezz dispenzer of morality pearls on them.

The lady of the night will not educate the promiscuous teen on the virtues of abstinence, not in clear conscience and without a brdavs™ provocative oneliner when said brdavs spots it.


The puss can meiow but the caravan will move on.

I`ve siad my part, more than it. I take my leave, this can be closed as far as I am concerned.

[Korruption]

That said I also know of several individual extorters on the FUALL side and have heard stories 2nd or 3rd hand about members of most the major alliances doing it at different times, hell we even had one in FS ( DHM now in DDE ) so there is no higher moral ground here for anyone.

yes i have extorted in the past, as i have also made people delete their accounts (not deleting coz i told them to but coz i kept massing them). Neither of these 2 things i am proud of and i would not do them again, hence why i have started up groups going after extorters.

and once again (for the third time i think)

I DONT HURT ME AKA DHM WILL NOT BE EXTORTING AGAIN

I can again vouch that AEU had to pay 70T as i had a few friends in it at the time, also that Forgotten Serenity had to pay to leave the Zion War.

TLE have made me pay to leave the war when i have in the past before (again all in the past).

It is a known fact that TLE and OE dont see eye to eye, but why spread this non sense around ? why not take it ingame and mass instead and deal with it in that way ? or do people have to bigger mouths for that ?

[SSG EnterTheLion]

Whats that saying about glass houses and stones?

ETL in the course of this game you have:
Admitted using game data provided by a game admin to prove that Juan funded Caspian
(who used planets when they were first were introduced to mass OE).
Asked Jason to make rapid changes to the game (which he did) when
JaseB bought you a PPT you didn’t want during the Omega vs EPA War.
Attempted to extort Oneill, the leader of TA, in ascended for game resources.
Demanded Alliances disband or pay naq when they surrendered.
The latter may not have been your standard method of operation, or even a lot of naq by today's standards, but it certainly occurred.

Tekki
Zesh didn’t start a thread calling you or anyone else a hypocrite so your point is moot.
TLE struck Zion first when they discovered posts in your forums saying you were planning a war against us. OE did the same thing when they turned on their former allies the EPA.
TLE Senate no longer exists. The 3 alliances are closely allied.
Not everyone needs or wants to be part of a 12 Alliance Empire to play the game.

Dazman
Dream on mate we are not surrendering. We love the freedom of having no Naps!
We also enjoy massing and farming you on both servers whenever we feel like it.

Now why don’t you guys stop trying to pretend that OE is without sin and just play the game.
No one is interested in your Forum Soap Wars.

See you on the battlefield.

Do you know why the game mod gave me the data? Because it was a multi. Strangely enough, wasn't it the multi of CERTAIN cf members, JUAN, with Metal Messiah helping out.
I don't convince Jason about anything, but I hear you tried to get the job of game mod. Curious that! As for Oneill, if u didn't read what I wrote, not my problem. And yes Omega have on occasion demanded disbandment, but never naq. If you are implying symbolic gestures of 1 naq even remotely as reparations, damn I didn't know in the case it happened we bankcrupted the alliance. lol Quite different from you isn't it, where u demand ur alliance basically boost your own account. It's a well known fact and I quote here from someone who was in your alliance:

"I would just like to clear the waters as to why I quit in the first place. The war itself was fun and entertaining to be honest. It was Robe and her warped sense of unity that made me quit. Her idea of an alliance was for all of us to pay for her mothership and when I asked when it will be my turn to have my mothership being built she said that wasn't going to happen. These taxes she imposed for this mothership of hers were upwards of 2-3 tril / week which is pretty steep when you concider how many members we had paying into it. So I got fed up and quit."

Extortion comes in many forms. Assumptions also come in many forms. I don't even bother much correcting them.

Brdavs- I don't think u get the point. You can call me an **Filtered** I don't care. It's this pathetic need to follow me around that inspired this thread. You can't accuse me of stuff and then deny your own alliance's role in extortion. I accept my faults, do you accept yours?

[Norbe]

Yes Brdavs..I'm looking at you. I haven't been around much this weekend due to loads of the blue screen of death and just read rodwolf's thread, and lo and behold I find brdavs trying to spout his nonsense yet again.

Let me be clear. He constantly whines about us, me in particular for crimes his alliance have commited the most.

Let me see, first he whines about me supposedly extorting O'neill of the TA. Now if I had, strangely enough there are no logs of uu/naq being brokered to me, considering at the time, for all intents and purposes Oneill was my **Filtered**. Not insulting him, but it's a word that gives u an idea of the state of affairs. As some know Oneill used to be raided by myself in ascension almost every day. And for huge amounts of planets. To be fair he took it well, even once sending me a message that my account should be renamed 'EnterTheOneillLion'. So he seemed to have a sense of humour about it, and Jake and myself decided to have a bit of fun, winding him up. Messaged him that it was so easy to take his stuff, he might as well give it to me. lol Anyways back and forth we messaged each other, with him getting more worried and we laughing about it. But I let him know it was a joke and declared peace with him soon after. Yeah I was cruel, but I'm a goa'uld after all. The point is, if I had meant to, I could have enforced anything I wanted.

Actually ETL, the point is, The O-Neill never gave in to you. Yes you and various other Omegans were sitting on him in ascended, raiding his planets every day. And you DID try to demand payment in main. The reason there are no logs of UU/naq in main? He refused to give you any, as I would have done.

It is convienent how whenever something is unsuccessful from your side, it is a "joke" or a "test". It took you months after the incident to set peace to him. Infact, it might even have been after the updates to ascended. Either way, it was not "soon after". I can tell you now, that O-Neill did not consider it to be a "joke". Do not make me go and quote one of O-Neills posts from the TÅ archives about it...

[schuesseled]

Good Reading in this thread.

At any rate,

Omega/DDE in the past were the Tyrants of the game, destroying everything that came up against them, made plans against them, or became to big (crystal force), and well are still doing it today (Server war), The Legion, came around and found allies, to counter the monuments of power that were Omega/DDE (not sure if DD was still in CoP at this point, or if we left after the first Legion war) But at any rate TLE formed for all the right reasons to try (and then failed) to put an end to the Omegan (and all their Friends) hold on the game and various naughtyness's they did. But as they quickly turned into bad apples.
Leading too the NAP stalemates after the first legion war, whereby both sides reaked havock upon anyone not them, and basically had an arms race till the server war begun. And now we are here.

To tell the tale of DirtyDozen, we had a vote, to join crytal force and fight against Omega/DDE, a fight we did not see a win with (especially in Ascended, Omega being the only other force of power in Ascended at the time accept DD), or to join Omega/DDE and fight against crytal force, the later was the better choice. (Because it was a fight much easier to win) And so we did form into CoP and fight we did till we had enough of playing a "war" game style, which had always been Omega's way, to attack first, ask questions later, it was never the way we wanted to play, so we reisigned from CoP after the last war has come to an end. And then slunked off to slowly die of inactivity.
Was DirtyDozen ever a "bad guy" Alliance, I wouldnt say so, the only thing we ever made which people for some reason dont seem to like was our MAD policy. That and we dominated Ascended in the early days (Along with Omega.)

Atlest that is the basic history of the game as I recall. Feel free to correct me if I was wrong on any point, as Brav said, Memory gains O's.

As for Omega's wrong doing's, their is several, but most of their actions, those being their continued ability to destroy things that threaten them, is linked with their desire to stay an active and dominating force on this game, which is key to their continued existence in this game. Not by their wrong doing's, but by their active style, and never surrender motivation by which they play.

12.

[Brdavs]

Quite different from you isn't it, where u demand ur alliance basically boost your own account. It's a well known fact and I quote here from someone who was in your alliance:

"I would just like to clear the waters as to why I quit in the first place. The war itself was fun and entertaining to be honest. It was Robe and her warped sense of unity that made me quit. Her idea of an alliance was for all of us to pay for her mothership and when I asked when it will be my turn to have my mothership being built she said that wasn't going to happen. These taxes she imposed for this mothership of hers were upwards of 2-3 tril / week which is pretty steep when you concider how many members we had paying into it. So I got fed up and quit."

Extortion comes in many forms. Assumptions also come in many forms. I don't even bother much correcting them.

To set the record sraight on this little gem, anyone from our alliances will confirm to you that there is no compulsory tax in any of the alliances, TL, TDL or D2D. What naq was gathered and is being gathered has allways been so on a voluntary contribution.

Where you found that piece of info I have no clue. A wannabe aplicant of your alliance I hear. But I gotta say that your grip on things is slipping, you obviously don`t have acces to our forums heh.

I find it humorous you`d bring this up aswell, seeing thoe your empire(s) tax membmers under threath of dismissal and force weekly, and have done so for as long as the war is lasting now.

Brdavs- I don't think u get the point. You can call me an **Filtered** I don't care. It's this pathetic need to follow me around that inspired this thread. You can't accuse me of stuff and then deny your own alliance's role in extortion. I accept my faults, do you accept yours?

Sure I do I stated that.
And I allso said why I post why I post. I`ve been posting consistently ever since I`ve played. And in the last year my posting plummited 90% percent. In the last 14 days I`ve had a run of posts that rases my year long average a couple times and in them I`ve made a couple trademark me comments.

If this is a bad timing for you and your comeback/reinvention to be adressed in any thread and you end up construing it as stalking then you`re a regular diva. And that is not my problem.
Never have I gone through your post history posting behind you. Even consulting this weeks post history can confirm that.
I allways post in selective threads that perk my interest when they do so. But in them I say what I have to say.
If that is inconveniet for you then thats tough but go meow up another tree cos again, it`s not really my problem mr. sensitive as of late.



Edit: As REK would put it, "booo hoooo" I`m saying stuff about you in some random threads. You`re gonna cry "harrasment, stalker!" about some inconvenient things being pointed out, with all the "character assasinations" of plyers you have notched on your belt? Please.

Really out this time.

[REK]

lol seems like its more obsession that drives you all on this anti EtL Omega trend .. some facts..
the desloving of the GA was my demand
COP name being burried was also my idea DDE and Omega had started FUALL before CoP was even invented so no we never changed anything
Bloody Sunday was my idea cause I was bored ...

ohh boo hoo you guys hate etl for the attrosities he has committed and yet he never committed any of them ...

Robe your connection to the caspain account and other cheaters is well documented so I have no idea why a person who has always made backroom deals and extorts her own alliance members is even talking

as for gaining someething from war no unless the 1 naq good faith is what you call extortion from our side than u can chalk that one up to me aswell

we did what we did for fun .. no personal grudges just fun now think about all the time u people put into hating us ..lol its a game man really it is ..

[Juliette]

Talk about slipping..

Where you found that piece of info I have no clue. A wannabe aplicant of your alliance I hear. But I gotta say that your grip on things is slipping, you obviously don`t have acces to our forums heh.

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Since my return, I have not talked with anybody in TTF as I did not want them to know I was back. This was for two reasons, one if I told them I returned they would have expected me to return to the war. The second of the two reasons I wished to stay away from people is I did not agree with the alliance structure. During the war, the leaders of my alliance/empire decided that it would be a good idea to make everybody pay into building there motherships. This was extremely frustrating to me as it was upwards of 2-3 tril a week. When I asked when it would be my turn to have my mothership funded or the naq returned she said that would not happen. This was the last straw and a week later I sold and quit.
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Humbly yours,
Bill

[SSG EnterTheLion]

Yes Brdavs..I'm looking at you. I haven't been around much this weekend due to loads of the blue screen of death and just read rodwolf's thread, and lo and behold I find brdavs trying to spout his nonsense yet again.

Let me be clear. He constantly whines about us, me in particular for crimes his alliance have commited the most.

Let me see, first he whines about me supposedly extorting O'neill of the TA. Now if I had, strangely enough there are no logs of uu/naq being brokered to me, considering at the time, for all intents and purposes Oneill was my **Filtered**. Not insulting him, but it's a word that gives u an idea of the state of affairs. As some know Oneill used to be raided by myself in ascension almost every day. And for huge amounts of planets. To be fair he took it well, even once sending me a message that my account should be renamed 'EnterTheOneillLion'. So he seemed to have a sense of humour about it, and Jake and myself decided to have a bit of fun, winding him up. Messaged him that it was so easy to take his stuff, he might as well give it to me. lol Anyways back and forth we messaged each other, with him getting more worried and we laughing about it. But I let him know it was a joke and declared peace with him soon after. Yeah I was cruel, but I'm a goa'uld after all. The point is, if I had meant to, I could have enforced anything I wanted.

Actually ETL, the point is, The O-Neill never gave in to you. Yes you and various other Omegans were sitting on him in ascended, raiding his planets every day. And you DID try to demand payment in main. The reason there are no logs of UU/naq in main? He refused to give you any, as I would have done.

It is convienent how whenever something is unsuccessful from your side, it is a "joke" or a "test". It took you months after the incident to set peace to him. Infact, it might even have been after the updates to ascended. Either way, it was not "soon after". I can tell you now, that O-Neill did not consider it to be a "joke". Do not make me go and quote one of O-Neills posts from the TÅ archives about it...

You think if I was serious I wouldn't have seriously punished him? Did I mass him in main? No. I could have sat on him, and don't tell me it would have caused war with the TA, because frankly, at that time the TA was so disliked that just saying let's go to war..and Omegans would shout 'yay let's hit the TA'. And I set peace with him on new year's eve of 97 I believe. To my mind, I was feeling generous, because of that time of the year. So I was evil to him. I play the evil overlord goa'uld in this game after all. Don't all of you go telling your friends, Omega is evil..yadda yadda yadda.?!

But this thread isn't about me. It's this whole FUALL are evil bastards, but the actual people posting all this (and in this case Brdavs) do so while knowing they've done certain things. In essence one can't hold another accountable for crimes they themselves have perpetuated or even supported.

[Brdavs]

Hey, my track record is on display. So is yours.
So lets leave it up to folks to decide weather or not I`m out of like posting certain things and if the barrer of the message completley disqualifies the validity of it`s content, and call it a day.


Now go post something random so I can get some more stalking in.

[SSG EnterTheLion]

Hey, my track record is on display. So is yours.
So lets leave it up to folks to decide weather or not I`m out of like posting certain things and if the barrer of the message completley disqualifies the validity of it`s content, and call it a day.


Now go post something random so I can get some more stalking in.

Some people hate me, consider me evil etc etc on these forums. So I truly don't care much, because none of these people know me, even in my persona as EtL. Rightly or wrongly, call me a villain against your alliances. It's all totally irrelevent.

But it seems u don't get my point do u? Your conscience is clear? lmao! Give me a break! I didn't see you doing anything about the naq ur alliance took. Or the educators etc etc. Yet you come on here with your two bits