Citation Vs. Nonsuch (Apophis The Great vs. Citation)

[[KMA]Avenger]

what's the definition of the word "avaritis"?

i've just run a search on Cambridge dictionary online and there is no such word listed

thank you.

[agapooka]

It's a word I made up. ;p

It comes from "avarice", but ends with "itis", which is a suffix often used in the name of a disease.

[Juliette]

that's plainly obvious and also, that's yours and everyone elses problem right there...

No. It is not my problem. If it were my problem, I would solve it or die trying. As it stands, your facts/theories/stories have no impact on my life, do not limit my possibilities -while I might be somewhat .. less restricted- and frankly, pose no threat to me, my family, or the people I do care about.

you should care, care for your fellow human beings,

Muahahaha. Oh, really?

One can go out of their way to describe humans, but I will keep it short and simple. [spoiler]Some people are rats, filthy beasts, spreading infectuous diseases, biting randomly and being generally repulsive. When a rat enters your home, and you see it, what do you do? You pick up either the rat or a bat, and beat or throw it out of your house. You do not want rats around your children, you do not want rats around your food. In fact, you want them nowhere, if not locked up. Some people are dogs. Loyal, hard workers, some of them great hunters, others great guardians, as long as they have a master. When a dog enters your house, you might be inclined to be happy to see it, or kick it out of the house if you are not. Some people are sheep. Lazy, no good for anything but their meat and their wool. You don't invite sheep into your house, but when one happens to be there, you get it out. Some people are rabbits. Cute and furry, but without understanding. When you see a rabbit on the road sitting there right in the middle, you do not slow down. Depending on the height of your car's axles, you either hit it or not. The rabbit's possible death does not upset you. Other people are felines.. hunters, they are grateful when fed, and lean fighting machines when not. Silent hunters, they have a knack for tracking rats, rabbits, sheep, the occasional larger game. Felines have no need for political games.. they do what they want, or what the hand that feeds them wants them to do. They do not question, they do their jobs. And then, there are the hawks and eagles. Free spirits, kings of the air, lords of the sky and the ground alike. Kill with a single dive, spot a needlepin sticking out of a haystack with hawk-eyed precision, see the great perspective, have the potential to rule the world.[/spoiler]

I consider myself a hawk, or if of the lesser animals, a feline. I would not tolerate rats near my children. I would not tolerate rats to approach me, talk to me, order me around.. rats are disgusting. All rats could be terminated and I would not shed a single tear.
In conversation, attitude and mannerisms, I conduct myself like an eagle. How I can keep that up? I make it believable. Do you think people laugh behind my back? Sometimes, yes.. if they have the decency to wait, I often hear about it from my dog friends. If they do not wait, I have no qualms about turning around to face them. As a rule, I need not dirty my hands -felines react well to me-, but when I have to -and I have had to, once-, I can stand my ground more than adequately.
To some, I may seem like a feline. Fine by me. But the first person to consider me a dog, or a rabbit.. I have yet to meet. The people who will meet me face-to-face and consider me a rat, or a sheep, are yet to be born. (*ironic, if you consider this forum, how different from RL it gets)

(1) care that you are being robbed of your money and labour, (2) care you are being lied to, (3) care that your leader/s doesn't give a crap for you or your country, (4) care who is at the heart of all the drug running, (5) care for the children that are being abducted by CPS and the CIA, c(6) are that high technology's are being suppressed and kept secret, (7) care that for NO reason whatsoever people are dying of starvation all over the world, (8) care that the health care and education systems are a disgrace, (9) care that abortion, eugenics and the destruction of the family has and is funded by the Rockefeller's, (10) care that wars are waged in the name of freedom, fighting oppression and terrorism but are in fact wars of terror, (11) care that global warming is a scam, (12) care that the catholic church is a satanic institution bent on suppressing knowledge...on and on...

Point-by-point:[spoiler]Ad 1. It is living the beggar's dream to do nothing and receive state-funded (read: taxpayer) support. That rat-behaviour is robbery. I am all for allowing the killing of robbers.
Ad 2. That is the nature of the game, G. Learn to play, or stand on the sidelines. Do not run onto the pitch yelling we are cheating if you do not know the rules.
Ad 3. My 'leader' is human (for the most part). As a consequence, he cares. I find it admirable to find someone so very much in control of their desires and emotions as to appear not to give a crap. Congratulations, you have a better leader as we do. Though it is my belief leaders are to be, without exception, hawks and eagles. Care just enough to keep the sheep following you, and just enough not to get dragged down by it. Caring distracts, and while it is a powerful tool, it is a double-edged blade. Care too much, and you will burn out.
Ad 4. I find drug-running particularly irrelevant to my environment. Sure, drug runners should pay import taxes. But other as that, I fail to see the relevance. If rats, sheep and dogs wish to poison themselves, let them throw money at it. I find dogs with addictions are so much easier to employ in your own service as regular dogs.
Ad 5. Indigos cannot be raised by non-gifted parents. Heck, most normal children cannot be raised by their rat parents. Contrary to popular belief, if you take a baby rat out of their environment, they can be taught tricks. Some can even interact properly with others, instead of biting and infecting them. Besides.. what was that about childrens' rights? They have the right to a stable home. Looked at the divorce rates lately? Stable homes, my backside.
Ad 6. Give a monkey a gun, and he is bound to shoot either himself or -Heaven forbid!- the one who gave it to him.
Ad 7. People die. Some sooner as others. Particularly useless ones, like the ones writhing in hunger instead of working to get it, are particularly irrelevant. Ones you interact with personally, are relevant even if, in the big picture, they -or their deaths- are not. You want me to shed a tear for them? Consider it shed. Moving on, you imply value where -as a rule on which there are exceptions aplenty- there is none.
Ad 8. If the rats would just die, the sheep do as they are told, and the rabbits do their jobs, this point would be less valid. As it stands, it is your best point thus far -though only in that it is your only valid point.
Ad 9. Not just the Rockefellers, sweetheart. If you are looking for someone to blame, though, you need only look in a mirror. I know why you did it, of course.. you were scared, frightened by stories of wars and viruses.. and when these people stood up to offer you hope, a way out, in exchange for one thing, you took the offer with both hands. One thing only.. your complete and silent obedience. You are breaking the covenant, G. Not that one man's aberrant vision on world events is particularly relevant.. but do you really need a scapegoat for a simple, evolutionistic balancing act of nature?
Ad 10. You seem to think "freedom" and "terrorism" are mutually exclusive. While admirable in it's naivite, it is as wrong as the 'logic' behind your thoughts on that.
Ad 11. When the next large-scale natural disaster strikes, do continue to blame the government. I assure you, it is entirely their fault. Rockefeller paid for an earthquake generator. You should see San Francisco in 10 years.
Ad 12. And yet another cause of your misfortune other as yourself. See below.[/spoiler]

the hypocrisy apathy, laziness and downright stupidity of this world makes me want to throw up!

I share that part about the hypocrisy and the stupidity. However. Stupid people are necessary. If there were none, we would not be having this talk! *gotta love a little self-criticism*

Either way. What I find most hypocritical, is that some people are hell-bent on finding causes for the misfortune of either themselves, or the human race in general, or specific groups. Instead of looking at themselves, they look at others as the cause of ALL things wrong. In their arrogance, their picture of themselves as saintesque heroes of the day while blaming *everything* on their leaders. People that in most cases, they directly or indirectly voted into office. That aside.. the pathological need to find scapegoats indicates a massive uncertainty and a desire to compensate for an incredible sense of guilt. You, the people, are forgiven. Every once in a while, all animals will look up and say "If only I could fly..".

[Legendary Apophis]

That was rather...scary.

I'd be dead by now if things were like that

[agapooka]

Universe, I just have one comment - one thing you overlooked when you addressed the CIA and its secret weapons:

Ad 6. Give a monkey a gun, and he is bound to shoot either himself or -Heaven forbid!- the one who gave it to him.

Yet it is the American people who gave the proverbial monkey (CIA) the proverbial gun and it is the American people, among others, that is being shot by it. You indirectly acknowledge this in other points you made, though. See how it works both ways?

Another thing that you didn't note is that eagles eat rats. Oh and what makes one a "rat"? Is it greed? Is theft "rat" behaviour?

'coz I've always fancied myself a Blue Jay...

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Blue Jays, like other corvids, are highly curious and very intelligent birds. Young individuals playfully snatch brightly coloured or reflective objects, such as bottle caps or pieces of aluminium foil, and carry them around until they lose interest. Blue Jays in captivity have been observed using strips of newspaper as tools to obtain food.

[Corvids] are considered the most intelligent of the birds, having demonstrated self-awareness in mirror tests (European Magpies) and tool making ability (Crows, Rooks)—skills until recently regarded as solely the province of humans and a few other higher mammals.
[...]
When compared to dogs and cats in an experiment testing the ability to seek out food according to three-dimensional clues, corvids out-performed the mammals. A metaanalysis testing how often birds invented new ways to acquire food in the wild found corvids the most innovative birds
[...]
Members of the corvid family have been known to watch other birds, remember where they hide their food, then return once the owner leaves. Corvids also move their food around between hiding places to avoid thievery, but only if they have previously been thieves themselves. The ability to hide food requires highly accurate spatial memories. Corvids have been recorded to recall their food's hiding place up to nine months later. It is suggested that vertical landmarks (like trees) are used to remember locations. There has also been evidence that Western Scrub-Jays, which store perishable foods, not only remember where they stored their food, but for how long. This has been compared to episodic memory, previously thought unique to humans.

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Unfortunately, they are also the prey of eagles. Boo.

Agapooka

[Juliette]

Yet it is the American people who gave the proverbial monkey (CIA) the proverbial gun and it is the American people, among others, that is being shot by it. You indirectly acknowledge this in other points you made, though. See how it works both ways?

Yes. Monkeys and guns don't go together, I will cede that.
The difference between these 'issues' is that the American people can not feasibly claim to take the gun back from the CIA-monkey. The CIA however, can by right and by power feasibly claim to withhold the gun from the Public-monkey.
Should either monkey have a gun.. nyeh, one can question the reason behind it.

Another thing that you didn't note is that eagles eat rats. Oh and what makes one a "rat"? Is it greed? Is theft "rat" behaviour?

Yes, eating rats. Sickening. Eagles and indeed, hawks, are in fact immortal creatures, unless they defile their bodies with rat/rodent meat/blood/nerves. Any contact with the rats will inevitably kill the hawks. It's a shame, really. (Also, all food is poisoned, as Avenger posed earlier, so whether the adverse effects of consuming rats is due to the rats or due to the food they ate.. that's another argument. Since that involves the feeding habits of rats, I find the mere thought revolting, and will not explore that argument.)

'coz I've always fancied myself a Blue Jay...

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Unfortunately, they are also the prey of eagles. Boo.

Agapooka

To avoid unnecessary complications, Blue Jays can be considered birds like eagles and hawks, and the habit of hawks and eagles to feed on other birds is.. irrelevant to the analogy.

[Legendary Apophis]

Who are the rats, who are the dogs?
I got the analogy for others, excepted on those two...

[agapooka]

A good analogy to the dog is the horse in Animal Farm.

[[KMA]Avenger]

[spoiler]

that's plainly obvious and also, that's yours and everyone elses problem right there...

No. It is not my problem. If it were my problem, I would solve it or die trying. As it stands, your facts/theories/stories have no impact on my life, do not limit my possibilities -while I might be somewhat .. less restricted- and frankly, pose no threat to me, my family, or the people I do care about.

you should care, care for your fellow human beings,

Muahahaha. Oh, really?

One can go out of their way to describe humans, but I will keep it short and simple. [spoiler]Some people are rats, filthy beasts, spreading infectuous diseases, biting randomly and being generally repulsive. When a rat enters your home, and you see it, what do you do? You pick up either the rat or a bat, and beat or throw it out of your house. You do not want rats around your children, you do not want rats around your food. In fact, you want them nowhere, if not locked up. Some people are dogs. Loyal, hard workers, some of them great hunters, others great guardians, as long as they have a master. When a dog enters your house, you might be inclined to be happy to see it, or kick it out of the house if you are not. Some people are sheep. Lazy, no good for anything but their meat and their wool. You don't invite sheep into your house, but when one happens to be there, you get it out. Some people are rabbits. Cute and furry, but without understanding. When you see a rabbit on the road sitting there right in the middle, you do not slow down. Depending on the height of your car's axles, you either hit it or not. The rabbit's possible death does not upset you. Other people are felines.. hunters, they are grateful when fed, and lean fighting machines when not. Silent hunters, they have a knack for tracking rats, rabbits, sheep, the occasional larger game. Felines have no need for political games.. they do what they want, or what the hand that feeds them wants them to do. They do not question, they do their jobs. And then, there are the hawks and eagles. Free spirits, kings of the air, lords of the sky and the ground alike. Kill with a single dive, spot a needlepin sticking out of a haystack with hawk-eyed precision, see the great perspective, have the potential to rule the world.[/spoiler]

I consider myself a hawk, or if of the lesser animals, a feline. I would not tolerate rats near my children. I would not tolerate rats to approach me, talk to me, order me around.. rats are disgusting. All rats could be terminated and I would not shed a single tear.
In conversation, attitude and mannerisms, I conduct myself like an eagle. How I can keep that up? I make it believable. Do you think people laugh behind my back? Sometimes, yes.. if they have the decency to wait, I often hear about it from my dog friends. If they do not wait, I have no qualms about turning around to face them. As a rule, I need not dirty my hands -felines react well to me-, but when I have to -and I have had to, once-, I can stand my ground more than adequately.
To some, I may seem like a feline. Fine by me. But the first person to consider me a dog, or a rabbit.. I have yet to meet. The people who will meet me face-to-face and consider me a rat, or a sheep, are yet to be born. (*ironic, if you consider this forum, how different from RL it gets)

(1) care that you are being robbed of your money and labour, (2) care you are being lied to, (3) care that your leader/s doesn't give a crap for you or your country, (4) care who is at the heart of all the drug running, (5) care for the children that are being abducted by CPS and the CIA, c(6) are that high technology's are being suppressed and kept secret, (7) care that for NO reason whatsoever people are dying of starvation all over the world, (8) care that the health care and education systems are a disgrace, (9) care that abortion, eugenics and the destruction of the family has and is funded by the Rockefeller's, (10) care that wars are waged in the name of freedom, fighting oppression and terrorism but are in fact wars of terror, (11) care that global warming is a scam, (12) care that the catholic church is a satanic institution bent on suppressing knowledge...on and on...

Point-by-point:[spoiler]Ad 1. It is living the beggar's dream to do nothing and receive state-funded (read: taxpayer) support. That rat-behaviour is robbery. I am all for allowing the killing of robbers.
Ad 2. That is the nature of the game, G. Learn to play, or stand on the sidelines. Do not run onto the pitch yelling we are cheating if you do not know the rules.
Ad 3. My 'leader' is human (for the most part). As a consequence, he cares. I find it admirable to find someone so very much in control of their desires and emotions as to appear not to give a crap. Congratulations, you have a better leader as we do. Though it is my belief leaders are to be, without exception, hawks and eagles. Care just enough to keep the sheep following you, and just enough not to get dragged down by it. Caring distracts, and while it is a powerful tool, it is a double-edged blade. Care too much, and you will burn out.
Ad 4. I find drug-running particularly irrelevant to my environment. Sure, drug runners should pay import taxes. But other as that, I fail to see the relevance. If rats, sheep and dogs wish to poison themselves, let them throw money at it. I find dogs with addictions are so much easier to employ in your own service as regular dogs.
Ad 5. Indigos cannot be raised by non-gifted parents. Heck, most normal children cannot be raised by their rat parents. Contrary to popular belief, if you take a baby rat out of their environment, they can be taught tricks. Some can even interact properly with others, instead of biting and infecting them. Besides.. what was that about childrens' rights? They have the right to a stable home. Looked at the divorce rates lately? Stable homes, my backside.
Ad 6. Give a monkey a gun, and he is bound to shoot either himself or -Heaven forbid!- the one who gave it to him.
Ad 7. People die. Some sooner as others. Particularly useless ones, like the ones writhing in hunger instead of working to get it, are particularly irrelevant. Ones you interact with personally, are relevant even if, in the big picture, they -or their deaths- are not. You want me to shed a tear for them? Consider it shed. Moving on, you imply value where -as a rule on which there are exceptions aplenty- there is none.
Ad 8. If the rats would just die, the sheep do as they are told, and the rabbits do their jobs, this point would be less valid. As it stands, it is your best point thus far -though only in that it is your only valid point.
Ad 9. Not just the Rockefellers, sweetheart. If you are looking for someone to blame, though, you need only look in a mirror. I know why you did it, of course.. you were scared, frightened by stories of wars and viruses.. and when these people stood up to offer you hope, a way out, in exchange for one thing, you took the offer with both hands. One thing only.. your complete and silent obedience. You are breaking the covenant, G. Not that one man's aberrant vision on world events is particularly relevant.. but do you really need a scapegoat for a simple, evolutionistic balancing act of nature?
Ad 10. You seem to think "freedom" and "terrorism" are mutually exclusive. While admirable in it's naivite, it is as wrong as the 'logic' behind your thoughts on that.
Ad 11. When the next large-scale natural disaster strikes, do continue to blame the government. I assure you, it is entirely their fault. Rockefeller paid for an earthquake generator. You should see San Francisco in 10 years.
Ad 12. And yet another cause of your misfortune other as yourself. See below.[/spoiler]

the hypocrisy apathy, laziness and downright stupidity of this world makes me want to throw up!

I share that part about the hypocrisy and the stupidity. However. Stupid people are necessary. If there were none, we would not be having this talk! *gotta love a little self-criticism*

you have a fantastic way of using words to the point i don't have any interest of even trying to understand that lot without giving myself a headache.
you also have a fantastic way of confusing everything i post without so much as a challenge to the facts themselves, instead of looking at what i say how bout you do something radical and go read what these "animals" have said, who they have funded what organizations they head, declassified documents, congressional and parliamentary records and so on...

flogging a dead horse comes to mind




in reply to this passage of yours:

Either way. What I find most hypocritical, is that some people are hell-bent on finding causes for the misfortune of either themselves, or the human race in general, or specific groups. Instead of looking at themselves, they look at others as the cause of ALL things wrong. In their arrogance, their picture of themselves as saintesque heroes of the day while blaming *everything* on their leaders. People that in most cases, they directly or indirectly voted into office. That aside.. the pathological need to find scapegoats indicates a massive uncertainty and a desire to compensate for an incredible sense of guilt. You, the people, are forgiven. Every once in a while, all animals will look up and say "If only I could fly..".

i have (as you should well know) stated on numerous occasions that we are all to blame...

you also kind of admit in the above paragraph that the world isn't right, yet you deny your own senses and say "who cares!".


i don't post to assign blame or look good in anyone's eyes, or post for ego's sake...

[Juliette]

flogging a dead horse comes to mind

A kinky necrophiliac beast defiler's dream..

But to stay on the more serious side of the laughing stock, the burden of proof is entirely yours. Posts that are referring to news articles and other conjecture cannot be considered proof of anything but the imagination some people display in tieing knots.
Who is the fool here, the one who spouts unfounded, antisocietal, sedition-inciting lies, or the one who is naive enough to believe him without question?

[[KMA]Avenger]

so the Rockefeller's funding eugenics and abortion is a lie which i happily and naively believe to be real without questioning, is nothing more than a lie, fantasy, sick joke???


[spoiler]Behind the Nazi Health Reform

The death-lobby movement whose propaganda supports the program of Obama and Ezekiel Emanuel, originated with eugenics founder Sir Francis Galton, and Thomas Huxley, Arthur Balfour, and other late-19th-Century British Empire strategists of a new dark age. They spread this filth among Anglophiles in Germany and the United States.

Galton's British eugenics movement opened its German branch in 1904, as the Society for Race Hygiene, and its U.S. branch in 1910, as the Eugenics Records Office. The movement operated internationally under Galton's direct leadership, and held world Eugenics Congresses in 1912 (London), 1922 (New York), and 1932 (New York).

The last Congress made Nazi race theorist Ernst Rudin president of the International Federation of Eugenics Societies. Rudin ran Nazi eugenics work in Germany at the Rockefeller Foundation's Kaiser Wlihelm Insitute for Anthopology, Human Heredity and Eugenics. After Hitler took power in 1933, Rudin and his followers—with Rockefeller money—shaped the entire Nazi race genocide program, beginning with sterilization and then, euthanasia of "costly patients." Rudin's men ran the medical experiments on Jewish death camp inmates.

Since, as Hitler noted, the German population was still resistant to euthanasia, the British leaders of the movement acted to break down the resistance globally, with the founding of the Voluntary Euthanasia Society in 1935, and a U.S. branch in London's movement cheered on the German program as the sterilization and killing escalated.

After the war, with corpses still smoking in Europe, the eugenics/euthanasia movement laid low for a time, inventing new names for itself such as "social biology" and "the right to die."

The British royal family, whose palace physicians such as Lord Thomas Jeeves Horder had officially run the eugenics/euthanasia movement all through the Hitler era, now teamed with their Wall Street moneybags to retool the movement behind population reduction, especially for non-white peoples.

This led to the initiative known as Bioethics (whose U.S. government chief in recent years has been Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel), and to the Obama "death council"—the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research, of which Dr. Emanuel is a leading member.

A few highlights will suffice to show the nature of the beast.

The American Eugenics Society merged with, and moved its offices into the headquarters of the Rockefeller family's new Population Council in 1953.

A eugenics zealot in the Ernst Rudin tradition, Daniel Callahan, got a Population Council grant and continual Rockefeller family sponsorship in 1968-69 to found the Hastings Center, in Garrison, N.Y., to push euthanasia under the new title, "Bioethics."

Geneticist and evolutionary biologist Theodore Dobzhansky was simultaneously a founding director of the Hastings Center and chairman of the American Eugenics Society. Hastings founder Callahan became a director of the Eugenics Society.

The Hastings Center is now headquarters for the Obama reform agenda, still under the active leadership of emeritus president Callahan, the Hitlerian eugenist.

Peter Orszag, now the White House Budget Director, sent his deputy Philip Ellis to Hastings last May to assure the Center that "comparative effectiveness" would be the criterion for an Obama Administration's attack on respect for human life.

Regular Hastings writer Henry J. Aaron has now penned a demand for tough adherence to the comparative effectiveness doctrine. Aaron is Orszag's fellow "behavioral economist" and was Orszag's partner on the Brookings Institution team for taking down medical care and Social Security. Regular Hastings writer Anthony Culyer is research director for the British Crown's National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) the model for the Obama-Emanuel "death council." NICE runs the rationing that has already killed thousands under Britain's National Health Service.

Ezekiel Emanuel is a Hastings Center fellow, as is his former wife and longtime bioethics collaborator, Linda Emanuel. She set up and ran the death education initiative for the American Medical Association, sponsored by George Soros's Project on Death in America.

Ezekiel Emanuel's deputy director of the Federal Department of Bioethics, Christine Grady, is a director of the Hastings Center and a Hastings fellow.

Animal liberation guru Peter Singer is no doubt the most famous Hastings Center fellow, and founding president of the International Association of Bioethics. Singer advocates the killing of handicapped infants, to stop them from being a burden to parents and a cost to society. He believes that humans have no right to life above that of beasts, and that it may be more appropriate to do medical experiments on disabled, unconscious people than on healthy rats.

In 1980, Britain's Voluntary Euthanasia Society founded the World Federation of Right to Die Societies. They sent London Times reporter Derek Humphrey to America, to found the Hemlock Society for euthanasia and suicide.

The eugenics/euthanasia movement has now hammered the public for decades to give up their humanity and accept Hitler's point of view, for example, to assent to the demand that old people die now, to make way for others. The "debate" over this crime is sanitized by movement leaders, such as when, according to Ian Dowbiggin:

Ezekiel Emanuel argues that ... a third of Americans endorse legalization under a wide variety of circumstances, a third oppose it under any circumstances, and a third support it in isolated cases but oppose it under most circumstances.

(Ian Dowbiggin, in A Merciful End: the Euthanasia Movement in Modern America).

Emanuel and some other movement spokesmen have stated that physician-assisted suicide is not necessary, that life-saving care can simply be denied to the elderly and costs will be saved. This will be painless, supposedly, if the patient is unconscious and is starved to death—starvation being one of the first methods used by the Nazi T-4 killers before gassing was adopted.

In line with the central euthanasia administration of the Hitler regime, Obama's health-care advisors want to set up a "non-political" structure which would decide the parameters on who should live, and who should die.

In his 2008 book, Healthcare, Guaranteed, Dr. Emanuel calls for an independent National Health Board to oversee and cut health care in America, and to approve all payments and procedures. "To reduce political interference and allow the necessary tough choices to be made," Emanuel says, this board must be insulated from "pressure" by elected officials such as Congress or the President, and must get funding independently of Congressional appropriations. The board's life-or-death decisions would proceed without possibility of objection from victims or voters.

Emanuel's plan is a virtual carbon copy of that put forward by former Sen. Tom Daschle (D-S.D.)—originally slated to be Obama's health czar—in his 2008 book, Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis. Daschle demands the equivalent of the Federal Reserve Board, to be run just as the private financiers run the Federal Reserve. Daschle calls for a rule, that all who register for Medicare must sign a document outlining the degree to which they consent to be killed in an "end of life" situation.

Dr. Emanuel and the other 14 members of the Obama Administration's death council were confronted by this author at their June 10 public hearing in Washington. I concluded my testimony:

You on the Council are drawing up the procedure list to be used to deny care, which will kill millions if it goes ahead in the present world crash. You think, perhaps, that the backing of powerful men—financiers—will shield you from accountability. But you are now in the spotlight. Disband this Council, and reverse the whole course of this Nazi revival—now.[/spoiler]



what about Hitler and the other murderous tyrant dictators, youtelling me they wernt funded into power by the Rothschild's???

[spoiler]The planning of the Second World War started when Adolf Hitler joined a secret society called the Thule Society in 1919. It was in this group that he found the perverted beliefs that were later to lead him in his control of the German government.

In the Thule Society: "... the sun played a prime role... as a sacred symbol of the Aryans, in contrast to... the moon, revered by the Semitic peoples. The Fuhrer saw in the Jewish people, with their black hair and swarthy complexions, the dark side of the human species, whilst the blond and blue-eyed Aryans constituted the light side of humanity. ... Hitler undertook to extirpate from the material world its impure elements."

Adolf Hitler PictureIn addition to sun (or light) worship, the Thule Society also practiced Satan worship: "The inner core within the Thule Society were all Satanists who practiced Black Magic."

The Society was not a working-man's group as it included amongst its members: "judges, police-chiefs, barristers, lawyers, university professors and lecturers, aristocratic families, leading industrialists, surgeons, physicians, scientists, as well as a host of rich and influential bourgeois.... "

The membership of the Thule Society also became the foundation of the Nazi Party: "... the Committee and the forty original members of the New German Workers' Party were all drawn from the most powerful occult society in Germany—the Thule Society."

One of the founders of both groups, the Nazi Party and the Thule Society, was Dietrich Eckart: "a dedicated Satanist, the supreme adept of the arts and rituals of Black Magic and the central figure in a powerful and wide-spread circle of occultists—the Thule Group. (He was] one of the seven founder members of the Nazi Party...."

Eckart claimed to be the initiator of Hitler into the secrets of Satan worship. He is quoted as saying on his deathbed: "Follow Hitler. He will dance, but it is I who have called the tune! I have initiated him into the 'Secret Doctrine;' opened his centres in vision and given him the means to communicate with the Powers. Do not mourn for me: I shall have influenced history more than any German."



But it was not just the Thule Society that gave Hitler the support he needed to become the leader of the German government. There were additional sources of Hitler's strength. One who offered an explanation of Hitler's easy rise to power was Walter Langer, a noted psychoanalyst. Langer wrote in his book The Mind of Adolf Hitler that it was his theory that Hitler was himself one-quarter Jewish and the grandson of a Rothschild. He wrote:

There is a great deal of confusion in studying Hitler's family tree. Adolf's father, Alois Hitler, was the illegitimate son of Maria Anna Schicklgruber. It was generally supposed that the father of Alois Hitler was Johann Georg Hiedler.... Alois, however, was not legitimized, and he bore his mother's name until he was forty years of age when he changed it to Hitler.

A peculiar series of events, prior to Hitler's birth, furnishes plenty of food for speculation.

There are some people who seriously doubt that Johann Georg Hiedler was the father of Alois. Thyssen and Koehler, for example, claim that Chancellor Dolfuss (the Chancellor of Austria) had ordered the Austrian police to conduct a thorough investigation into the Hitler family. As a result of this investigation a secret document was prepared that proved Maria Anna Shicklgruber was living in Vienna at the time she conceived.

At that time she was employed as a servant in the home of Baron Rothschild. As soon as the family discovered her pregnancy she was sent back to her home in Spital where Alois was bom.5

In a postscript in Langer's book, Robert G.L. Waite adds this comment:

"But even when Langer is mistaken and his guesses prove incorrect, he is often on the right track.

Consider his hint that Hitler's grandfather might have been a Jew. There is no reason to believe the unlikely story told by Langer's informant that Hitler's grandmother Maria Anna Schickelgruber, a peasant woman in her forties from the Waldvietral of rural Austria, had had an intimate liason with a Baron Rothschild in Vienna.

But Hitler had worried that he might be blackmailed over a Jewish grandfather and ordered his private lawyer, Hans Frank, to investigate his paternal lineage.

Frank did so and told the Fuehrer that his grandmother had become pregnant while working as a domestic servant in a Jewish household in Graz.

The facts of this matter are in dispute—and a very lengthy dispute it has been. The point of overriding psychological and historical importance is not whether it is true that Hitler had a Jewish grandfather, but whether he believed that it might be true.

He did so believe and the fact shaped both his personality and his public policy.

It is possible that Hitler discovered his Jewish background and his relation to the Rothschilds, and aware of their enormous power to make or break European governments, re-established contact with the family. This would partially explain the enormous support he received from the international banking fraternity, closely entwined with the Rothschild family, as he rose to power.

One thing is certain, however. Hitler started World War II by moving into Austria first. It has been theorized that he moved into this country for two reasons. First, he wanted to silence Dolfuss who Hitler believed knew that he was a descendant of the Rothschilds, and secondly, he wished to remove all traces of his ancestry from the Austrian records[/spoiler]





who is the naive one here?

[Legendary Apophis]

who is the naive one here?

One can wonder!

The ultraright in search of allies

(...)
The main currents of the right extreme reactionary were present: nostalgic old men of the IIIth Reich, the skinheads, the young boys and the girls referring to the " social nationalism ", come honor the memory of the deaths of the antirepublican riots of February 6th, 1934.
If the word "Jew" was never pronounced in short speeches, all the anti-semitic commonplaces of the 1930s were reviewed: " occult strengths which dominate the nation ", " stateless financiers ", " pure products of the Finance company of Rothschild "...

(Said quote was linked earlier and been translated from original language it was...by translator which I corrected inconsistencies. )

When you got majority of "evil people" who share same thoughts, you must realize there's something wrong with your positions.

[[KMA]Avenger]

LMAO


Jim, my good man, who do you think owns the newspapers?



which the reason why none of this is in the mainstream media in its entirety.

[Juliette]

so the Rockefeller's funding eugenics and abortion is a lie which i happily and naively believe to be real without questioning, is nothing more than a lie, fantasy, sick joke???

Yup. You are SEARCHING for things that show how evil your (UK, USA, w/e) government is. When you find something that supports your predisposition that the government is evil; you make a full stop, and blindly throw it out there for everyone to see, regardless of who the ignorant rat was who wrote the nonsense you chew and believe.

For example:

what about Hitler and the other murderous tyrant dictators, youtelling me they wernt funded into power by the Rothschild's???

Have you even *read* your wonderful spoiler? Hell, I could pick that apart with my eyes closed. The reason I will not, is because mine is not the burden of proof, and again, your ridiculous choice in arguments suggests you have no evidence whatsoever.

Had you bothered to read your own spoiler, you would have noted a rather sizeable amount of conjecture, best pointed out by this typical quote, the argument which pervades your wonderful 'proof':

But even when Langer is mistaken and his guesses prove incorrect, he is often on the right track.

roflmao. I rest my case.

who is the naive one here?

I think we both know that, sweetheart.

[Legendary Apophis]

LMAO


Jim, my good man, who do you think owns the newspapers?



which the reason why none of this is in the mainstream media in its entirety.

Oh my....

Denial at its best! (I wish I could equal that!)