Nitty Gritty of raiding

[zizi710]

Well i wana know what is an effective raid? Seeing that im fairly new to the game(2 weeks).. i usually raid on average 15K UU per 15 turns.. which means on average 1 mill UU per 1000 turns.. is this a good figure? or can i do better? I also do not like to incur any losses as i only have a 4 million army.. Raiding is alot of work and effort trying to find good raiding farms.. should i just trade the turns for UU on the market? the goin rate is 750kUU/1k turns i presume?

[Empy]

Well in my opinion, farming is massively better than raiding, even if you are farming inactive players with 0 defense. You need at least 20k per 15AT hit with raiding to make a even comparable profit, I think.

It can be hard to farm for naq when you have a small Army Size though so raiding can be necessary. If you have few miners then your bank is going to be too small to store lots of naq you get from raiding.

So what I am saying is... you can try farming for naq but with a small bank it can hard since you need to store lots of naq for more AT and also to buy UU with. For raiding I would say AT LEAST 20k per 15AT hit is necessary.

[Empy]

farming is massively better than raiding,

don't say that too colton

raiding can be highly profitable if done properly

I already have and he just laughed at me

Raiding can be highly profitable if done properly... but farming can be massively more profitable, and even a little more profitable if done mediocrely (made that word up ).

[Colton]

I find raiding to be extremely profitable, and if you add on a bit of quick farming every turn on large inactives you can get quite the profit indeed

Just don't go any lower than 12k UU per 15 AT hits, and keep at it

Yesterday I managed to raid over 50m UU off random inactives in my spare time, which is about 7.5tril pure profit

[zizi710]

lol nd how many attack turns did u use to get that 50 mill? U've gotta teach me! i find raiding fun.. Naq is too difficult to store .. everyone steals it

[Colton]

I used about 48k

Try test hitting accounts over 550k Army with 1 AT, if you get more than 950 UU it's good for rehits (15ATs)

[CABAL]

With the bank issue, have you ever thought about getting some above average planets and using their defs as temporary banks? (Don't do this too often, especially if you might've pissed someone off/made enemies).

You can store 2.5tril naq per above average planet without any loss in naq.

[Tekki]

What’s important is that you build up a raiding list for yourself.

For example, set war with the target, as that will give you more UU.

Additionally write down their army size, and how many UU that army size represents. Then you know, without spying or testing them, how many UU they have available. This will help you in future when you keep raiding as you will be able to go through your list of raids faster.

If you want, there are good inactive accounts to farm and if you hit for about 15b naq, then you should also be able to make a profit on the ATs.

Basically though concentrate your efforts on the inactive accounts with no defences and only use a small strike. That way you won’t take losses and until you are big enough, you won’t be in danger of angering too many people.

The other thing you could consider, is going into purgatory. While you can only hit each account a few times a day, I’m told some of the raids there are phenomenal.

[zizi710]

ok i have built up my list and i'm mainly raiding non-actives with UU of about 550k +.. Also I'm taking their UP into consideration as this allows me to determine how much i should raid from them daily as to not upset the amount i take per 15 turns (i.e lower than 15k).. but my problem now is my rank.. i sold all of my Anti-covert as i was taking too many losses there and to lower my rank.. im currently ranked in the 1800's.. should i go lower to allow for more raid farms?

Also just a quick question.. When u ascend.. ur mothership stays exactly the same ryt? doesnt count for ur ascension points?

[CABAL]

You do lose your fleets, so sell those ...

[zizi710]

what about defence platforms? do they stay?

[SlimD]

Defence platforms, on your planets I assume you mean - stay with you post-ascension.

[GeneralChaos]

Well i wana know what is an effective raid? Seeing that im fairly new to the game(2 weeks)

For you, raiding will be better for now, there is no point in farming trillions of naq if you have a small armysize,

1mill UU / 1K AT's is a decent rate of return espically for someone starting out in the game,

Good Luck.

[teesdale]

I used about 48k

Try test hitting accounts over 550k Army with 1 AT, if you get more than 950 UU it's good for rehits (15ATs)

Colton, you can get MUCH better profits than that, observe:

Military Records and Achievements
AS OF Sep 12, 2009
(be very sure!)
Your Achievements (war points per in brakets)
Attack Mercs Killed (1) 83,947
Defence Mercs Killed (20) 5,540,583
Attack Soldiers Killed(2.5) 0
Defence Soldiers Killed(50) 131,888
Attack Super Soldiers Killed(15) 67,851
Defence Super Soldiers Killed(300) 9,981,750
Spies Killed(100) 1,771,875
Spy Killers Killed(5) 185,525
Mothership Weapons Destroyed(300) 8,360
Mothership Shields Destroyed(300) 35,295
Mothership Fleets Destroyed(200) 1,259
Planet Defences Destroyed(300) 2,000
Planets Taken(5000) 4
Naquadah Stolen(0.0001) 40,732,642,436,050
Untrained Kidnapped(100) 81,687,126
Weapon Points Destroyed (Sab+Att)(0.1) 37,630,172,523
Attack Turns Used(1) 50,625
TOTAL WAR EXPERIENCE POINTS 15,547,143,666



as for the topic at hand, i wouldnt go any lower than 20k uu/15 AT

[MaxSterling]

The way to figure out what is a good raid is to take the current market value for ATs.
It's roughly 700k-800k for 1k ATs... so let's say 800k to play it safe.
800,000UU / 1000ATs = 800UU / 1AT

So a 15AT raid just to break even is 800UU X 15AT = 12,000UU

That's basically where Colton is getting his numbers.

What's profitable is debatable. It all depends on how much bang for your ATs you want to get. Raiding an account down until you get to around 12kUU/15ATs should yield all profitable hits. Ideally you want to look for accounts with at least 24kUU/15ATs, so you double your ATs value.

What sarajevo is saying is that farming for naq is much better than raiding, and I tend to agree with him. Current market rates for ATs are 500b/1kATs.
500,000,000,000 naq / 1,000 ATs = 500,000,000 / 1AT

So a 15AT attack to break even is 500,000,000 naq X 15ATs = 7,500,000,000 naq.

I generally farm 17b naq targets and higher... and there are plenty of them out there. 17b naq doubles the value of the AT and gives me 2b naq for weapon repairs.

Now I've raided a target that had over 7m UU's out and my largest hit was between 200k-300k UU per 15AT attack... so you'd need around 30m UU in the open to be able to raid 1m UU in one 15AT hit. I'm sure it's been done before, but it is extremely rare or someone has bought UU to have thrown onto an account to raid because they are over the buying cap.

On the other hand, it is VERY possible to farm enough naq in one 15AT attack to buy 1m UU. I do it at least 3 times per day that I'm not on PPT.

I personally do a combination of both. My personal best day was this...

[spoiler]Military Records and Achievements
AS OF Sep 03, 2009

Your Achievements (war points per in brakets)
Attack Mercs Killed (1) 57,436
Defence Mercs Killed (20) 46,896
Attack Soldiers Killed(2.5) 0
Defence Soldiers Killed(50) 8,573
Attack Super Soldiers Killed(15) 39,944
Defence Super Soldiers Killed(300) 743,423
Spies Killed(100) 0
Spy Killers Killed(5) 0
Mothership Weapons Destroyed(300) 53,516
Mothership Shields Destroyed(300) 45,567
Mothership Fleets Destroyed(200) 3,438
Planet Defences Destroyed(300) 0
Planets Taken(5000) 0
Naquadah Stolen(0.0001) 9,552,387,131,608
Untrained Kidnapped(100) 19,751,616
Weapon Points Destroyed (Sab+Att)(0.1) 532,084,080
Attack Turns Used(1) 23,458
TOTAL WAR EXPERIENCE POINTS 3,185,886,337[/spoiler]

Basically I use a combination of both when I decide that I want to increase my army size... farm enough naq to buy more ATs on the market to keep your raiding going.