StarGate Universe Season 2

[Zeratul]

hmm... should have paid more attention to this section... so many things to reply to that we surely will miss out on one or two...


our theory on the reasons in lantea not being a bucket o' rust, is that minor fact it was carefully sealed to the ocean floor, and that it was still shielded... also, did any of you ever see any native lifeform below the size of a giant whale on lantea?

remember, that planet did usually get scorched every ten thousand years or so, and thus the fauna would not be as extensive as that any normal planet has...

as for SG:universe...

the ship is obviously much older in design, from an age when the ancients had not refined their technology the same way they had with atlantis and the aurora class warships...
quite possibly, the ship was/is on the verge of breaking down at the start of the series, probably from hitting things in space, or from being attacked by natives on planets it flies near... in theory, when moving through space in real-space, you'd only need power to accelerate and decelerate, as there is nothing to slow the ship down once it has achieved its travel velocity... thus the power requirements are smaller than those of hyperspace... hyperspace velocity has to be maintained, travel velocity in real-space doesnt have to be maintained...

the distance from the milky way is such that regular travel back, is pretty much impossible, even by gate... the power required for an pegasus <--> milky way wormhole is quite high... think then what the requirements are if you increase the wormhole distance of that 200 times pegasus <--> milky way... the costs are much, much higher then...
had it been cheap to travel extreme distances through gates, the ori would not have needed to use supergates to send soldiers through... they could simply have sent small ships and whole armies through it, and assembled the ships on-planet... and the ori had all the resources of an whole galaxy to fuel their war-machine...

the probable reason for the defense of the planet they gated from failing, is that they had only guarded it with one ship and a few turrets... they couldnt gate to it, as the gate was modified to only dial out, so all weapons had to be shipped there... repeated travel back and forth to a single planet, would have been possible to detect, and them wishing to keep it secret, probably only worked for a while... earth apparently still has relatively small fleet of ships... this probably occurs not too long after atlantis finale, so earth has something like 4-5 BC-304's (we think up 4: Daedalus, Odyssey, Sun Tzu, Hammond...) with a large galaxy (if not two galaxies) to fight in, even 5 ships will be hard pressed to give proper coverage... especially since the Sun Tzu and the Odyssey and daedalus were heavily damage fighting that superhive... (Sun Tzu might even have been destroyed)
while the asgard beam weapons work well against single ships provided they arent designed to resist them, they arent useful in the same manner against many capital ships and countless smaller ships... they cant target as many targets at one time as ancient drone weapons can... a surgical laser isnt all that good at cutting down a forest... especially not a forest moving at great speed semi-randomly...

no doubt affairs in the milky way have not exactly calmed down... just because all the extremely powerful forces have been defeated, does not mean peace... it only means that the powers remaining, will fight over the scraps... as someone pointed out, those werent standard ha'taks, and thus they probably are significantly more powerful... the fact that the lucian alliance is still around, and that they got technology and numbers enough to thrive the years after ori defeat...

anyways, we'll leave it at that for now... we probably forgot something, but you can tear away at our arguments...

[Empy]

I mean really.. I don't care what the Ha'tak were, there is no way they could have gotten the technology to be able to stand up to the 304. I mean it didn't even take any of them out? One Asgard Beam shot and they are space dust...

A very weak reason for the people on Icarus having to flee, mostly because the Hammond was in orbit, I mean if it was gone, then sure it would have been a good reason... I guess an excuse for Amanda Tapping to be in it, who knows.

I guess unless I didn't hear right... didn't they say it travels NEARLY as fast as light, and is not in hyperspace? I don't remember them saying it took only days to travel between galaxies either.

Considering how long it has been out in space, using up whatever power it has, and seeing as how the shielding keeping the space in the ship is failing as well, I don't find it hard to believe that they don't have enough power to gate anywhere besides 7 symbol planets.

[CABAL]

I mean really.. I don't care what the Ha'tak were, there is no way they could have gotten the technology to be able to stand up to the 304. I mean it didn't even take any of them out? One Asgard Beam shot and they are space dust...

A very weak reason for the people on Icarus having to flee, mostly because the Hammond was in orbit, I mean if it was gone, then sure it would have been a good reason... I guess an excuse for Amanda Tapping to be in it, who knows.

I guess unless I didn't hear right... didn't they say it travels NEARLY as fast as light, and is not in hyperspace? I don't remember them saying it took only days to travel between galaxies either.

Considering how long it has been out in space, using up whatever power it has, and seeing as how the shielding keeping the space in the ship is failing as well, I don't find it hard to believe that they don't have enough power to gate anywhere besides 7 symbol planets.

No, they specifically mention FTL (Faster-Than-Light)

But I do agree with you on the ha'tak issue. They DO however, mention that the bunker technology prevents them from beaming out.

And yet again, why did the planet's core *HAVE* to go critical at the exact moment the lucian alliance pop in?


And as for power requirements... Anyone remember that ep where Rodney tries to revive project Arcturus (The one with the 2nd Rodney Appearing), can't they turn it back on and gate out send lots and lots of supplies and (Maybe even a 2nd revived arcturus thing/ZPM) then turn it off?

[Empy]

I guess unless I didn't hear right... didn't they say it travels NEARLY as fast as light, and is not in hyperspace? I don't remember them saying it took only days to travel between galaxies either.

They didn't say it only took hours. The ship entered FTL shortly after everyone got on board, then exited just before the end of the show at which point it hadn't even been a full day yet.

Well maybe the ship stopped in the middle of nowhere/on the edge of the next galaxy when they gated aboard. I dunno... I realize now reading back half of what I said was dumb and I could disprove myself.

[RepliMagni]

It looks mildly interesting.....

But you're all getting hung up over a simple plot device at the start.....the worst flaw is when they actually get on the ship:

They have (is it 5?) of those communication stones......stones which allow you to use someone else's body.....AND THEY'RE TWO-WAY!!!! Why are they wasting time letting the girl go home and have tea with her mother??? Why aren't McKay, Carter, Zalenka, Jackson and O'Neill all inhabiting someone's body on the ship??? They could have the ship fixed, everyone organised, and give them some kind of mission......If someone doesn't sabotage those stones....or they get stolen or something.....then this is going to get silly.....

And on a complete sidenote: I hate Robert Carlyle!!!!

[Noobert]

I agree Magni, there is to many loopholes.

[Zeratul]

before they can repair much of anything, they have to find out exactly what is broken, and get what they need to repair it...

no matter how ingenious a person is, he cant repair something if there's no spare parts at all...

besides, the scientists from sg-a arent experts on the most ancient of alteran technology... they know most about the recent (last 10-15k years...) tech...

oh, and of course there's lots of unexplained things... its still episode 3 only... you cant expect them to be able to explain everything, can you?

as for travel time... too little is still known there... as Sarajevo said, the ship could easily have stopped just outside that galaxy... (probably programmed to stop once gate is dialed...)

[Empy]

Well we will see what role the stones play in the show, I think they are very important and at least in this episode they were used to benefit both sides. Colonel (something with a T) came from Earth and was on Destiny but the Doctor had to put him out so the body could get some rest. Judging from that I think when they are used they will be used to help both sides.

Although there certainly is room for abuse so they will probably try and get rid of the stones, or make up some silly rule like there is a time limit or something... who knows. There has to be some way for the crew to stabilize their situation instead of the random supplies they may or may not get from planets in the galaxies they stop at. I mean as helpful as some random mineral or food and water can be, they are going to need more technology oriented things to really help them sooner or later...

[Noobert]

Can we not just stop the long heated posts and just enjoy the **Filtered** show?

[RepliMagni]

Fans are the biggest critics

I was kinda hoping that Colonel T (Telford is it?) would be on the crew so there could maybe be tension between the two colonels, and factions set-up as another dynamic......as it is he looks like he'll be the guy from Voyager who got stuck on Earth (Reg....or something or other).

I dunno.....we'll see. It didn't blow me away, but so far it hasn't put me off. I just wish stargate writers were more rational/logical about the plots sometimes.....there are just such gaping holes at times.....

[MEZZANINE]

Not convinced or impressed yet, watched 3 episodes so far and will stick with it a bit longer to see if the characters & plot develop but seriously I cant see the cast or writers being up to the job.

The fat nerdy character is the only half decent one so far, and he is so good I dont remember his name.

Dispite all the plot holes, copied idea's and tech stuff, I see this turning into very formulaic series, each episode we will see 1 of 3 scenario's

1) A trip through the stargate to find vital stuff for fixing the ship or getting home
2) A shuttle trip or on ship situation where small groups are isolated and 'open up' to each other
3) Use of the stones to allow the characters to do unrelated small stories back on Earth ( remember Tea'lc PI )

O'Neil or Carter will make a 5 second appearance ( all filmed in one day ), to remind us its Star Gate in every episode.


Maybe my expectations were to high, I loved the original SG1 and used to like Robert Carlisle, Plunkett & Maclaine, Once apon a time in the Midlands, Ravenous, etc were great films, but in this you get a real sense of 'doing it for the money'

SG1 - series 1-8 10/10
SG1 - series 9 7/10
SG1 - series 10 4/10

SG Atlantis 7/10
SGU 2/10 so far

[Noobert]

That's how Stargate is.

[Maha Vishnu]

before they can repair much of anything, they have to find out exactly what is broken, and get what they need to repair it...

no matter how ingenious a person is, he cant repair something if there's no spare parts at all...

besides, the scientists from sg-a arent experts on the most ancient of alteran technology... they know most about the recent (last 10-15k years...) tech...

oh, and of course there's lots of unexplained things... its still episode 3 only... you cant expect them to be able to explain everything, can you?

as for travel time... too little is still known there... as Sarajevo said, the ship could easily have stopped just outside that galaxy... (probably programmed to stop once gate is dialed...)

It's easier to fix older technology you haven't seen before than it is to fix newer technology.

The SG-1 and SG-A teams would still be invaluable help for the SG-U team. As both teams have prior experiences with situations like the SG-U team, so it makes no sense for them NOT to be helping the SG-U team.

I doubt that the time difference between when the Destiny was built and when Atlantis was built is 10k years. The Destiny was built during the height of Ancient civilization and it would be about that time frame that Atlantis would have been built.

Even if the other SGC scientists were not experts on ancient technology, they would still be of great use to the SG-U team, certainly much more use then that kid. After all, if you had to solve a complex scientific problem, would you rather have one unstable, untrustworthy scientist and a kid that hadn't even graduated college and only experience with Ancient anything was from a video game, or the aforementioned team plus another 5 of the brightest minds in atleast two galaxies? Isn't it generally accepted that Rodney McKay is the smartest human alive? Who would not want him on your problem solving team?

We do not know when the SGU is based. Like I have said, my feeling and many others is that this if sometime after atlantis comes home so mackay or who ever could possible be gone, missing etc etc.

Also, the destiny would not of been built around the same time as atlantis.

The alterans came to the milkyway ~50 million years ago. The left the milky way for the Pegasus ~10 million years ago when the Plague arrived.

It makes sense that the destiny (although advance compared to humans) is still a basic model which is well past its use by date.

FTL is much slower then hyperspace and uses way less power to achieve it so I am told my my physics geek friend.

Anyway, its all guess work so I guess the developers never really thought how it could fit in with the SG series, as star trek did with enterprise.

3rd episode in and so far hanging in there. Reading the spoilers for the coming episodes it seems to concentrate more on survival, human feelings rather then crazed aliens or metallic monsters.

[Stampeda]

So it began ,

first 3 Episodes are out , I'm awaiting my dowloads...

But I wonder , will it be as good as the Stargate SG-1 or Stargate Atlantis ?

Personally I found it a shame that they stopped with Atlantis just to find out their making anew "Series" of the famous gate.

However they will finish Stargate Atlantis with a movie as they did with SG-1

My Qeustion to you is ! What do u exspect of the new Universe Series and wether or not u'll even bother to look at it ?

[Ashu]

I think there's another thread for this...but i won't even watch it.Its bull.