our leaders, the elite and the rest of high society are...

[Legendary Apophis]

understand, ALL of our leaders are sick, twisted, evil, treasonous scum who do not get to be leader UNLESS they are in the club of the sick, twisted and evil!

And Ashu, this "child molester" wasn't elected, he was chosen recently by president to follow a campaign standing about opening gov to other political groups if he was to win, by giving them few spots.

[Legendary Apophis]

Wasting time such as giving your voice on who would be next president instead of time that could have been used for starting random msn convos about nothing much? Lolz!
Letting others decide for you -completly-, gives you ZERO right to open your mouth about it! If you don't care to choose, you stay quiet eventually!
Some democratic decisions will take care of the losing part if it's sufficiently numbered enough, some wouldn't. But STILL, people who lost will have more rights to complain than those who did let OTHERS decide for them!

I'll say it once more, Pops, maybe this time it will get through your thick skull.


You do not get to choose who becomes president, you do not get to help choose. Your vote is pointless, it means nothing.

That's what comes from this post to me.
I tend to yawn when I read bs!

I voted several times, and OF COURSE, since logic prevails, will carry on voting for long time.
If you want to let others chose for you and then whine the usual:

"It's unacceptable what we have! People are silly to have picked him! I did nothing to counter it!"

It's YOUR choice. However, don't try to make people who are doing it the right way change to some twisted view ok?

WHEN YOU LET OTHERS CHOSE FOR YOU, YOU LET OTHERS CHOSE FOR YOU, NO MATTER WHAT IS THEIR CHOICE! THEREFORE YOU HAVE NO SAY ABOUT WHAT THEY CHOSE, BECAUSE YOU DID LET THEM VOTE FOR YOU!
Understood? How much times will I have to say that for you to understand?

[[KMA]Avenger]

understand, ALL of our leaders are sick, twisted, evil, treasonous scum who do not get to be leader UNLESS they are in the club of the sick, twisted and evil!

And Ashu, this "child molester" wasn't elected, he was chosen recently by president to follow a campaign standing about opening gov to other political groups if he was to win, by giving them few spots.

i am telling you that our leaders and most of the TOP entertainers and definitely ALL the top bankers and banking dynasties are child molesting satanist scum, if you cant be bothered to find out for yourself Jim that's your problem not mine...

you say that because someone doesn't vote they have no say, that's a bit hypocritical wouldn't you say mate?

i mean, come on Jim, i don't vote so i should just shut the **Filtered** up and not talk about our leaders and what they're doing just so you can justify the delusional state you live in, which is full of denial and hypocrisy?! I DONT THINK SO!

http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&source=h ... 16c2c5c27a

there is so much more if you care to look but i doubt you will, instead you will come back with some kind of defence for the blind state you live in, by attacking either me, my sources or rationalizing what's going on instead of standing up like a man and demanding the truth from your leaders

i am not your enemy, so no need to attack anyone or anything here, but you need to open your eyes, see what's going on and demand the truth or stay asleep...

if you don't wish to wake up and see the truth then stop posting on my threads please.

http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&q=bohemi ... 16c2c5c27a

[Legendary Apophis]

i am telling you that our leaders and most of the TOP entertainers and definitely ALL the top bankers and banking dynasties are child molesting satanist scum, if you cant be bothered to find out for yourself Jim that's your problem not mine...

I will not let you make such big generalities about people. "I know personally two lawyers who take bribes, thus all lawyers take bribes", that reasoning is so commonly used that it's sad.

you say that because someone doesn't vote they have no say, that's a bit hypocritical wouldn't you say mate?

i mean, come on Jim, i don't vote so i should just shut the **Filtered** up and not talk about our leaders and what they're doing just so you can justify the delusional state you live in, which is full of denial and hypocrisy?! I DONT THINK SO!

Yep. No vote no talk!

[Legendary Apophis]

I tend to yawn when I read bs!

You're right, I'm full of BS. That's why Al Gore won the 2000 election... Oh wait.

Then I guess when you're with bunch of mates and choice is either go to bowling or theaters, just because they *might* not have same choice as yours, you will not vote by risk of being in minority and having your choice not picked? Come on...

[[KMA]Avenger]

i am telling you that our leaders and most of the TOP entertainers and definitely ALL the top bankers and banking dynasties are child molesting satanist scum, if you cant be bothered to find out for yourself Jim that's your problem not mine...

I will not let you make such big generalities about people. "I know personally two lawyers who take bribes, thus all lawyers take bribes", that reasoning is so commonly used that it's sad.

erm, something i'm not clear on, are you saying that i am saying "our leaders are Satanists" because i am assuming they are because of 1 news article?

you say that because someone doesn't vote they have no say, that's a bit hypocritical wouldn't you say mate?

i mean, come on Jim, i don't vote so i should just shut the **Filtered** up and not talk about our leaders and what they're doing just so you can justify the delusional state you live in, which is full of denial and hypocrisy?! I DONT THINK SO!
Yep. No vote no talk!

so everyone who has given they're life for freedom over the past few thousand years has given they're lives for nothing and i am not entitled to choose what i do or not do? come on Jim, please, if we are going to discuss things (regardless of subject matter) then lets discuss as adults, yes?



tell you what Jim, if you can prove me 100% wrong, i'll apologise to the whole forum and eat my words!

that's how much conviction i have in my beliefs

[Kit-Fox]

Now be fair KMA, proving your 100% wrong is just as impossible as you being able to prove your 100% correct in everything you say.

[Juliette]

Now be fair KMA, proving your 100% wrong is just as impossible as you being able to prove your 100% correct in everything you say.

Ain't that the truth.
So, having established that truth is subjective.. I'll agree to disagree. *grin*

[[KMA]Avenger]

Now be fair KMA, proving your 100% wrong is just as impossible as you being able to prove your 100% correct in everything you say.

you missed the point. if i give a link or a source of info, i stand by that info 100% or else i would not have posted it then say to everyone here, "go see for yourselves".


look, i say "our leaders are Satanists", to some peoples credit, they neither agree nor disagree but instead choose to either discuss or debate, which is fine and i have no problem with that at all. but when i say "our leaders are satanists" and give more than enough proof for most people to stop and say "hay, maybe there is truth to this after all, i'll go see for myself", and instead what i get is "maybe its a joke" or any other kind of rationalisation, then it strains my patience to breaking point how apathetic and gullible (generally speaking) people are and it doesnt surprise me 1 bit how they can do the crap they do and get away with it...expenses scandal ring any bells mate?

they are getting away with that crap when we should be stringing all of them up, if we did what they have done we'd all be in prison, they just smile and carry on, happy as Larry!





@universe, how can the truth be subjective? the truth is the truth as far as i am concerned...


*scratches head*

[Juliette]

*grin* Keep scratching that head.
Explaining it would be.. well.. my non-expert opinion. Could find one to tell you that our perceptions actually create reality.. thus, to a blind person, colours (for example) just don't exist. It's not there. You can tell him 10 times over, explain how things work, optics, the works.. but it's not real.
*grin* Weak example, and it goes WAY beyond that.. but it's a good ground for me to agree with most of what you say.

[Thriller]

@ Avenger

How does one perverted french minister = massive corrupt elite conspiracy proof. ???

He should resign as minister and put his seat up for election or be kicked out. If he doesn't resign and that quote is accurate and he was involved in underage sex trade. He should be kicked out from the cabinet otherwise the government will legitimizing what he did. If they don't kick him out then you could make a case that Sarkozy's government is a bunch of scumbags.

Also: If your not going to take part in the democratic process that means you don't support it. If you don't like your choices you could always run yourself, try to support a candidate you do like. Or fill out and objection ballet. If your too lazy to do any of those things maybe you would be happier in china or Myanmar. If you choose to stay and not take part then universe is right "s.t.h.u."

[[KMA]Avenger]

@ Avenger
How does one perverted french minister = massive corrupt elite conspiracy proof. ???

erm, is that the only "proof" i have shown?

http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&source=h ... 16c2c5c27a

that search took me all of 10 seconds and all i typed was "satanic hand signals". what about Roman polanski? the evidence is there if people care to look, but i spose its better to just turn a blind eye that something so barbarous, demonic and unacceptable could be going on right under our noses without us knowing eh?!


there are differing levels of corruption going on in all levels of Govt and yet we take it, oh we moan and complain a bit but essentially, we the people enjoy being scammed and lied to by those in places of authority (not just Govt), what other explanation can there be that such things go on?

people like Mitterrand, should be publicly stoned to death.




as for the rest of your post, jack pretty much sums up my thoughts but says it better than i would have.


edit, i'll say this with regards to voting, when they put "none of the above" on the ballot sheet then i will gladly go and vote.

as for running myself, i would love to, trouble is the banks, corporations, the city and wall street would neither fund me or approve of me because i would first rat them all out then put them all on trial.




edit 2:

i have spent more time researching all of this than i care to admit and i am hesitant to post what else i know because i would rather people look and find out for themselves, because if my first reaction to all of this was anything to go by, i knew it would never be easy (if at all possible) to get people to take a deep breath and open up they're minds to all this crap and just see if any of it is true, well, i'll throw you all a bone for those of you who think me mad for my lack of concrete proof and beliefs:

if anyone wants to find out if my "theory" holds water, then Google the names, Aleister Crowley and Adam Weishaupt [spoiler]*waits to see if anyone can figure out who Crowleys daughter and grandson are* grrr, did i say that out loud?! methinks i did that because many here wont dig deep enough to find out for themselves![/spoiler],have a look at this piece of mainstream reporting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06dkOfqF8Ak
google "Rockefeller eugenics" (these are ALL simple searches).
the history of the bush family (research the bush family history but not the mainstream history) and the Nazi connection too all of that lot. Bohemian Grove and the Bildeberg group, Skull and Bones, the club of Rome. you can also watch this 70 min film about the CIA and Satanism presented by 1977-79 Senior Special Agent-in-Charge, Los Angeles, California, Ted L Gunderson. this film needs to be seen from start to finish. also note that there has been a sustained and concerted attack on Ted's, character...why?!?!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 654183295#

here, educate yourselves and learn who Albert Pike was/is:

http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&source=h ... 16c2c5c27a

the man was a traitor and yet, there is a bust of him in one of Washington Dc's parks.
sorry cant remember which one.



if you study and understand some of the rituals in Satanism (not as in "practising Satanism") you will soon find out that practitioners of Satanism employ reverse and upside down symbolism. on the morning of 9/11, GWB is sitting in a classroom holding a book of "My Pet Goat" upside down while children were chanting the words from this satanic book: http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&q=my+pet ... 16c2c5c27a
the book has since been banned for its ritualistic undertones dedicated to the satanic god "Pan".

this subject is so deep, so widespread, so mind-numbingly unbelievable and so very hard to swallow i hesitate BIG TIME to show any more, because as i didn't believe any of it till i looked for myself, i guarantee none of you will believe any of what i've posted above until you look for yourselves.


i have no doubt all of this will be dismissed and we'll be back at square 1, ridiculing me, all the while no one here provides a single shred of evidence proving me wrong.
understand this has nothing to do with right or wrong and who knows more than who, i couldn't careless about ego as i have stated time and time again.
what gets on my tits is people ridiculing me with words and no proof, someone here, PLEASE prove me wrong!

[Thriller]

I dont live in america but your defeatist attitude is reatarded Jack.

You could run for office if you tried, It might take alot of hardwork but you get get a party nomination to run in a district.

Suporting a third party candidate has worked in the past. People have been voted in your congress and senate who have not been endorsed by either party.

Now i am going to explain an objection ballad to you, little guy, because you obviously dont know what one is.

Filling out an objection ballad means you support the democratic system but have an issue with the vote itself. Thu may be because; you think the vote is biased, hate the candidates or you have an issue with how the vote is being run. Best part about that kind of ballad is you get to write what your objection is.

Not doing anything is the laziest goddamn thing you can do. And if you want to stay wrapped up in your security blanket jack. The only people who are going to listen to your winning are mommy and daddy. Be a man and get proactive about the direction of your country. Stop being a civilian and be a citizen.

Without using Google(or any search engine) can you name me your finance minister or homeland security director? probably not.

Damn whiny Americans want everything on silver **Filtered** platter... *rant *rant *idle threat

Basically it sounds like you want all the cake you can get but don't want to work for it. If your not going to participate by voting at least make some kind of effort to make the change you want.

[Thriller]

@ avenger stop getting sources written by dan brown wannabes who stay locked in their basements. Self satisfying to the sexy idea that they are living la revolution.

You can't call any of your sources objective or credible and that is a fact.

Bush was reading satanic letrature to children on 911 ,give me a break.

Pan is from greek mythology and im pretty sure he was the god of Shepards(an allusion to Jesus if anything). If your looking for a satanic reference; should have went with Hades or Bacchus.

Here are things you should research more thoroughly

1) taxil hoax
2) where the idea of satan came from and its history
3)Why Pan would be considered Satanic ( hint: the church hates pagans)
4) a little pagan history (guess what religion your ancestors practiced before the romans conquered)

do 10 minutes of reading on each and you'll realize this satanic worship crap is BS.

[Thriller]

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