Creationism vs Evolution... not the usual 2cents.

[fourtwozero]

Please don't tell me that I should look more in depth on it, you seem like a jealous 12 year old when you do it. Maybe you should use different phrases like "I dont agree with what you are saying". What I can't beleive is anyone could seriously think the species Homo Sapien could spawn from 2 fully evolved Homo Sapiens. Where did the two homo sapiens come from? Isn't it a bit odd that the most complex life form just appeared?

I think Sandman makes a somewhat interesting point. What if man started out as a more genetically "pure" (for want of a better term) form of what we are now. I would postulate that Adam and Eve are examples of early homo-sapien. Every species has to start somewhere, there has to be a first. Some people just choose to refer symbolically to the origin of man and woman as Adam and Eve.

If you read the book of Genesis, you get the idea that man was the end product of a ridiculously long process. Obviously, man did not magically appear. It is just that the story of creation uses "Adam and Eve" as the examples of the origin of man.

Yeah, and the use of a story to convey a more complex model I am all for. However I know of people that actually beleive the bible as an encyclopedia. That was what I was trying to say. As with most cultures, relgious or cultural stories are "dumbed down" versions of more complex happenings so better to pass on the knowledge of a people.

The symbolic referenec of Adam and Eve (or more so eve) is quite true. If you read into historical genetisicts, many beleive we all share a common "mother" that bares genes we all share.

Out of interest has anyone else studied genetics?

For further reading... the extremist view of creationism I am against is along the following lines: http://www.metro.co.uk/travel/article.h ... _page_id=5

[lone dragon]

Completely agreed and while we are at it lets implement an Argonaut theory in history teaching and we could also add an Earth being in centre of universe in science class once again.

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We could also add that story about birds and bees to biology classes.Its all about diversity and choices right?

Your apparent arrogance towards the subject leads me to believe your one of the people whom claim "Science proved it, so it MUST be true", without actually realizing that science hasn't proved one way or the other on the subject

There are several reasons which I've come across which lead me to question the apparent validity of the evolutionary theory. I can't post them now, as I'm at university, however, once i get home, I'll see if i can find them and post them on here.

Hi I am in university doing a science major and I would be very interested in the validity of the evolutionist theory.. IF you have concurrent evidence to disprove the theory I would welcome hearing it.

I have seen another theory which was interesting but could not find valid data to prove the theory..

[Mister Sandman]

This is the problem...

It is impossible to generalise that the "theory of evolution" is correct.

One must define what parts are reputably correct/incorrect/plain myths/BS.

Parts of the theory are without a doubt are illogical. Such, as I said the theory that humans spawned from monkeys.....

In addition, as I said before. All theories of evolution. Do not explain how the verse can to be.


With creationism and intelligent design. For these, let us logically state that, extremity isnt necessary right.

Let us also state that it is possible to believe in parts of evolution and in creationism. As many bases do not conflict.
- No theories can disprove God.
- The theories that, the universe was always around... is impossible (law of thermodynamics)

The theory that life 'suddenly' appeared due to randomisation of stuff... is proven to be... mathematically improbable to impossible... The look at the complexity of flagellum...



In a nutshell, the core belief in creationism is: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (Gen 1)

Does it matter how many years the earth is? No, it doesn't, the age of the earth is not even relevant, it does not disprove God.



Is the bible historically accurate? Yes.
Is the bible scientifically accurate when it makes scientific claims? Yes
Does the bible state there is a round earth? Yes

If you differ on these points, feel free post your view.

[jedi~tank]

Consider this..

Billions of years ago the sun shown its radiance on a stagnant pool of water

after a few million years something green began to grow

after a few million years that green stuff began to wiggle

after a few more million years it changed into something we would call a tadpole and began to swin around

after a few more million years it developed extremeties, split in half, one half satyed grew gills a tail and fins while the other half grew lungs arms and legs and got out on dry land..

the half that got out on dry land grew hair, a tail, longer arms, eyes etc etc and climbed into the trees, wrapped its tail around the branches and hung upsidedown scratching its armpits

Scientists say or once said thats humanities great great great grandaddy..

You see how stupid that is..I dont have the faith to believe that nonsense.

especially since science itself can prove Darwins theory of evolution is absurd yet is kept hush to this very day, for it is impossible for 1 species to willfully or unwillfully evolve into another.

[Kit-Fox]

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[lone dragon]

This is the problem...

It is impossible to generalise that the "theory of evolution" is correct.

One must define what parts are reputably correct/incorrect/plain myths/BS.

Parts of the theory are without a doubt are illogical. Such, as I said the theory that humans spawned from monkeys.....

In addition, as I said before. All theories of evolution. Do not explain how the verse can to be.


With creationism and intelligent design. For these, let us logically state that, extremity isnt necessary right.

Let us also state that it is possible to believe in parts of evolution and in creationism. As many bases do not conflict.
- No theories can disprove God.
- The theories that, the universe was always around... is impossible (law of thermodynamics)

The theory that life 'suddenly' appeared due to randomisation of stuff... is proven to be... mathematically improbable to impossible... The look at the complexity of flagellum...



In a nutshell, the core belief in creationism is: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (Gen 1)

Does it matter how many years the earth is? No, it doesn't, the age of the earth is not even relevant, it does not disprove God.



Is the bible historically accurate? Yes.
Is the bible scientifically accurate when it makes scientific claims? Yes
Does the bible state there is a round earth? Yes

If you differ on these points, feel free post your view.

I think no matter how it can be argued or seen, it is said in the bible the faithful go to heaven or paradise, the concept of faith is to have no proof in which any theory or evidence cannot fully disprove, as long as science looks at things with 95% to 99% accuracy it can never be fully know. After all the only time you find out is at the end..

[jedi~tank]

I notice sandman has twice stated that in his opinion the idea that we evolved from apes is BS

Would he care to actually provide any proof of that or is this more of his religious brainwashing?

As the most likely explanation is that we are indeed descended from apes

No m8 he is not brainwashing with a religious base

The proof must come from SCIENCE that the theory put forth by DARWIN is truth..as I stated science has infact DISPROVED the theory and the theory today is a mere EXPLANATION of how it MIGHT have happened.

Remember, according to the evolution theory it goes way beyond the apes to???? the sun and a stagnant pool of water.

[Kit-Fox]

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[jedi~tank]

The chance that we are descended from the ape genus has yet to be disproved.

In fact its the most likely explanation, while todays apes are not what we would have evolved from. It is their ancestors we would have come from.


Think of the difference between neanderthal man & us now. and yes before someone says it we do have neanderthal genes as both species of man interbred

It has been disproved m8, it has been proven to be imposible for one species to evolve into another. Do some thorough research, I did and found the answers for myself.

[Kit-Fox]

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[Mister Sandman]

The chance that we are descended from the ape genus has yet to be disproved.

In fact its the most likely explanation, while todays apes are not what we would have evolved from. It is their ancestors we would have come from.


Think of the difference between neanderthal man & us now. and yes before someone says it we do have neanderthal genes as both species of man interbred

Again, I put you to the bible. In times of Noah

The fact is. There is that "missing link". And logically, as if we were as close to apes as scientist would lead us to believe, we could infact be able to breed with them. (Such with horses and donkeys)


When it all boils down to the core... it comes down to faith.

and I dont have enough faith to be an atheist (google that book aswell)

I think no matter how it can be argued or seen, it is said in the bible the faithful go to heaven or paradise, the concept of faith is to have no proof in which any theory or evidence cannot fully disprove, as long as science looks at things with 95% to 99% accuracy it can never be fully know. After all the only time you find out is at the end..

It is our translation which distorts the truth. Whatever you want to believe, it is fine. However, faith does not have to have no proof, just logic. Science itself is subject to interpretation.

[Kit-Fox]

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[jedi~tank]

You cant rely onexplanations that sound good, you have to go buy historical and scientific proofs.

[[BoT] Jason]

you can argue all you want. in the end it comes down to what you want your mind to believe so that you sleep better at night. as humans we are curious and we want to know why we here and how we got here

the theory of Darwin can be proven wrong but will still be accepted as people dont want to beleive in a God that you have to do some work to follow. So the Darwin theory is there as a comfort blanket for our curious minds

My 2 billion Zimbabwan dollars

[jedi~tank]

you can argue all you want. in the end it comes down to what you want your mind to believe so that you sleep better at night. as humans we are curious and we want to know why we here and how we got here

the theory of Darwin can be proven wrong but will still be accepted as people dont want to beleive in a God that you have to do some work to follow. So the Darwin theory is there as a comfort blanket for our curious minds

My 2 billion Zimbabwan dollars

Thats a point of view.