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[[KMA]Avenger]

well, i dont even know what to call this topic to be honest. i was thinking something a little dramatic or shocking so as to elicit appropriate responses but thought better of it.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 98175.html


i dont want to say "i told you so" but i told you so!


you guys (especially KF) will have to forgive me because everything is starting to come to a head whether you guys believe it or not is of no consequence. what is a matter of consequence and of utmost importance is that world Govt is now being openly announced on the news, in the UN, the EU and Copenhagen, that China has told the west that if the west want China to sign/ratify the treaty the west must implement Global Govt and a 1 child Policy.

i've been asking you guys to go see for yourselves for 2 years now, but instead i've been called a nutjob and all other manor of things and basically laughed at. i believe the French have a saying: Ceux qui rient le vendredi, pleureront le dimanche. translation...Those who laugh on Friday will cry on Sunday.

i dont care what anyone thinks of me but i'm telling you guys that bad things are coming.


anyways, we can discuss what i've said or discuss solely the article...its all good.

[thaltek]

what did i tell you little twit about trolling.....

[[KMA]Avenger]

who the hell are you?

[Thriller]

Those are some pretty wild inferences their. Yah Iran doesn't want to trade oil in US currency, they have been tutting that horn for 10 years already. And the upcoming economic powerhouse of china likes that idea (diabolical?). It's shiftings in the the balance of power and i am for it, hopefully this will draw the states out of its stagnation.

No where did i see mention of world government, global currency or anything else you contrived (am i blind?). If your going to make such incredible inferences you better have better source material avenger. I just can't make any of your conclusions without some extreme use of imagination.

[[KMA]Avenger]

I just can't make any of your conclusions without some extreme use of imagination.

its not your power of imagination that's failing you mate, its your sense of curiosity....

i'll post some links where they are calling for world Govt later on tonight or tomorrow.

[[KMA]Avenger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtudNpL30BU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXWeOa-FuyM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbU_Po4sfnw

did i hear those moronic would-be dictators correctly?!?!

there's MUCH more proof than just those 3 links if you care to go look.


i'm looking for a link to the Copenhagen treaty which clearly states some 30 odd times the words "Global Governance/Government", will post the treaty as soon as i find the link...if you can be bothered to read that much crap you will have all the proof you need...



in the mean time, enjoy these quotes...


[spoiler]“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”
– Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Programme

“A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the United States. De-development means bringing our
economic system into line with the realities of ecology and the world resource situation.”
– Paul Ehrlich, Professor of Population Studies

“The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States. We can’t let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the US. We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are.”
– Michael Oppenheimer, Environmental Defense Fund

“Global Sustainability requires the deliberate quest of poverty, reduced resource consumption and set levels of mortality control.”
– Professor Maurice King

“We must make this an insecure and inhospitable place for capitalists and their projects. We must reclaim the roads and plowed land, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of acres of presently settled land.”
– David Foreman, co-founder of Earth First!

“Complex technology of any sort is an assault on human dignity. It would be little short of disastrous for us to
discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy, because of what we might do with it.”
– Amory Lovins, Rocky Mountain Institute

“The prospect of cheap fusion energy is the worst thing that could happen to the planet.”
– Jeremy Rifkin, Greenhouse Crisis Foundation

“Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun.”
– Prof Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University

“Our insatiable drive to rummage deep beneath the surface of the earth is a willful expansion
of our dysfunctional civilization into Nature.”
– Al Gore, Earth in the Balance

“The big threat to the planet is people: there are too many, doing too well economically and burning too much oil.”
– Sir James Lovelock, BBC Interview

“My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it’s full complement of species, returning throughout the world.”
-Dave Foreman, co-founder of Earth First!

“Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class – involving high meat intake,
use of fossil fuels, appliances, air-conditioning, and suburban housing – are not sustainable.”
– Maurice Strong, Rio Earth Summit

“All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and
behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself.”
– Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution

“Mankind is the most dangerous, destructive, selfish and unethical animal on the earth.”
– Michael Fox, vice-president of The Humane Society

“Humans on the Earth behave in some ways like a pathogenic micro-organism, or like the cells of a tumor.”
– Sir James Lovelock, Healing Gaia

“The Earth has cancer and the cancer is Man.”
– Club of Rome, Mankind at the Turning Point

“A cancer is an uncontrolled multiplication of cells, the population explosion is an uncontrolled multiplication of people. We must shift our efforts from the treatment of the symptoms to the cutting out of the cancer. The operation will demand many apparently brutal and heartless decisions.”
– Prof. Paul Ehrlich, The Population Bomb

“A reasonable estimate for an industrialized world society at the present North American material standard of living would be 1 billion. At the more frugal European standard of living, 2 to 3 billion would be possible.”
– United Nations, Global Biodiversity Assessment

“A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.”
– Ted Turner, founder of CNN and major UN donor

“… the resultant ideal sustainable population is hence more than 500 million but less than one billion.”
– Club of Rome, Goals for Mankind

“One America burdens the earth much more than twenty Bangladeshes. This is a terrible thing to say in order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it’s just as bad not to say it.”
– Jacques Cousteau, UNESCO Courier

“If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.”
– Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, patron of the World Wildlife Fund

“I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems.”
– John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal

“The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing.”
– Christopher Manes, Earth First!

“Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license. All potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing.”
– David Brower, first Executive Director of the Sierra Club

“In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.”
– Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution

“We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination… So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts… Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.”
– Stephen Schneider, Stanford Professor of Climatology, lead author of many IPCC reports

“Unless we announce disasters no one will listen.”
– Sir John Houghton, first chairman of IPCC

“It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.”
– Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace

“We’ve got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy.”
– Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation

“No matter if the science of global warming is all phony, climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
-Christine Stewart, fmr Canadian Minister of the Environment

“The climate crisis is not a political issue, it is a moral and spiritual challenge to all of humanity. It is also our greatest opportunity to lift Global Consciousness to a higher level.”
– Al Gore, accepting the Nobel Peace Prize

“The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe.”
– emeritus professor Daniel Botkin

“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis.”
– David Rockefeller, Club of Rome executive manager

“Humanity is sitting on a time bomb. If the vast majority of the world’s scientists are right, we have just ten years to avert a major catastrophe that could send out entire planet’s climate system into a tail-spin of epic destruction involving extreme weather, floods, droughts, epidemics and killer heat waves beyond anything we have ever experienced – a catastrophe of our own making.”
– Al Gore, An Inconvenient Truth

“By the end of this century, climate change will reduce the human population to a few breeding pairs surviving near the Arctic.”
– Sir James Lovelock, Revenge of Gaia

“Climate Change will result in a catastrophic, global seal level rise of seven meters. That’s bye-bye most of Bangladesh, Netherlands, Florida and would make London the new Atlantis.”
– Greenpeace International

“Climate change is real. Not only is it real, it’s here, and its effects are giving rise to a frighteningly new global phenomenon – the man-made natural disaster.”
– Barack Obama, US Presidential Candidate

“We are close to a time when all of humankind will envision a global agenda that encompasses a kind of Global Marshall Plan to address the causes of poverty and suffering and environmental destruction all over the earth.”
– Al Gore, Earth in the Balance

“In Nature organic growth proceeds according to a Master Plan, a Blueprint. Such a ‘master plan’ is missing from the process of growth and development of the world system. Now is the time to draw up a master plan for sustainable growth and world development based on global allocation of all resources and a new global economic system. Ten or twenty years from today it will probably be too late.”
– Club of Rome, Mankind at the Turning Point

“The concept of national sovereignty has been immutable, indeed a sacred principle of international relations. It is a principle which will yield only slowly and reluctantly to the new imperatives of global environmental cooperation.”
– UN Commission on Global Governance report

“Democracy is not a panacea. It cannot organize everything and it is unaware of its own limits. These facts must be faced squarely. Sacrilegious though this may sound, democracy is no longer well suited for the tasks ahead. The complexity and the technical nature of many of today’s problems do not always allow elected representatives to make competent decisions at the right time.”
– Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution

“In my view, after fifty years of service in the United National system, I perceive the utmost urgency and absolute necessity for proper Earth government. There is no shadow of a doubt that the present political and economic systems are no longer appropriate and will lead to the end of life evolution on this planet. We must therefore absolutely and urgently look for new ways.”
– Dr. Robert Muller, UN Assistant Secretary General

“Nations are in effect ceding portions of their sovereignty to the international community and beginning to create a new system of international environmental governance as a means of solving otherwise unmanageable crises.”
– Lester Brown, WorldWatch Institute

“A keen and anxious awareness is evolving to suggest that fundamental changes will have to take place in the world order and its power structures, in the distribution of wealth and income.”
– Club of Rome, Mankind at the Turning Point

“Adopting a central organizing principle means embarking on an all-out effort to use every policy and program, every law and institution, to halt the destruction of the environment.”
– Al Gore, Earth in the Balance

“Effective execution of Agenda 21 will require a profound reorientation of all human society, unlike anything the world has ever experienced – a major shift in the priorities of both governments and individuals and an unprecedented redeployment of human and financial resources. This shift will demand that a concern for the environmental consequences of every human action be integrated into individual and collective decision-making at every level.”
– UN Agenda 21

“The earth is literally our mother, not only because we depend on her for nurture and shelter but even more because the human sepcies has been shaped by her in the womb of evolution. Our salvation depends upon our ability to create a religion of nature.”
– Rene Dubos, board member Planetary Citizens[/spoiler]

[[KMA]Avenger]

No where did i see mention of world government, global currency or anything else you contrived (am i blind?). If your going to make such incredible inferences you better have better source material avenger. I just can't make any of your conclusions without some extreme use of imagination.

some more proof! tell me when to stop because i can go on till the end of time with public notices of "Global Govt".


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/colu ... nment.html

http://www.prisonplanet.com/un-chief-we ... nance.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00687.html

http://blogs.wsj.com/source/2009/12/17/ ... ld-suffer/

http://www.prisonplanet.com/obamas-new- ... ealed.html

[Brdavs]

This i dont get, how can you be fearful of the NWO etc. and at the same time cling to dollar and point to its replacement as the smoking gun... what is dollar if not the bedrock of the current world order? You should be joyfull at the sight of the biggest imperal tool in history facing its demise (allegedly)...

[[KMA]Avenger]

no mate i would not be happy if (or should i say, when?) the dollar collapses...think about it

its in the NWO's (or bankers) agenda for the dollar to collapse and take more than just a few currencies with it, because they will then wave the solution in front of us and say..."this is what we need to stop all this from happening again". its EXACTLY the same old con game they have been using since the beginning of time.
create a solution which elicits the response they want from the people so as to give us the solution they want to see implemented, its what's known as Problem, Reaction, Solution (PRS).

when the dollar collapse its because they want it to collapse, pure and simple.

[Captain Teague]

I think briton would be next once the dollar falls britons would have to change to euro

[Brdavs]

but what difference does it make ultimatly? Everything is allready tied to one currency. What would be the dizaster in substituting USD with a new currencie based on several to improve the systems stability?

Elites? Elites are doing just fine as it is, thats no reason not to change stuff. Its capitalism, the holders of capital have and will continue to have the most power, dollar, euro, sterling or a new currency. They can count their billions in somalian shillings for all I care, what matters to a mortal man is not (generally) the elites making money, thats an axiom of the system, what matters to him is the fluctuations and the weakness of the dollar having an inpact on his PPP and spending power.

So again, ideologically you`d pritty much have to hate the USD as it is as a new currency cant concievably do any worse. And practically, I dont particulary see a downside either.