Genetral EU discussion.

[Kit-Fox]

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[Legendary Apophis]

it matters not if the BNP is a bad example or not, they are immediately recognisable as a party that wants out of the EU. Others who are smaller arent so recognisable, hence not worth mentioning here on an international site.



Serisouly stop been so bloody pedantic and over mentioning everything. Sweet jesus no wonder my topic failed, you guys cant understand any argument you dont like

Many european far right parties hate EU (Front National in France is anti EU as well and wants withdrawing and back to former currency) as it's against nationalism ideal and all glory to country and self admiring and all. Same stuff that led to WW1&2, those guys *never* learn from past mistakes.



It's because we don't take it the way you want, we don't agree with your and Avenger's stance regarding so called poetic justice and strong will.

[Kit-Fox]

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[agapooka]

I recall my Wednesday Debate from ages ago was a good demonstration of how much easier it is to "prove" a point when one is willing to make strategic jumps in logic.

Kit, you must understand that if someone is doing this and they do not realise it after it has been pointed out, then they may not be capable of considering the point you are actually trying to make. If, however, they do realise it, then they may simply not want to consider your idea, seeing as they are resorting to such means to avoid doing so.

Agapooka

[Kit-Fox]

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[[KMA]Avenger]

Theres little point KMA, those from the continent barely understood what they had before they gave it all away anyways.

this is true, but i donbt give up easily when i know i'm right

Theres little point KMA, those from the continent barely understood what they had before they gave it all away anyways.
Yes we were ruins or something like that. Ruins from the WW2 fueled by nationalisms and antagonisms favorized by lack of union and excess of lonelyness and self caring and self admirating nations.


Jim, what are you talking about? your telling us that the rise of national socialism (Nazis) was due to lack of union on mainland Europe? are you serious?????????

if you can stand up and say that bunch of crap to a crowd of people and keep a straight face, then you should be an MEP!

PS: if your country gets out of EU, expect some hostility from a certain % of Europeans (feeling of betraying). Me included. Run away for own profit and let allies down, that's betrayal and traitorship!

hostility from who and why? i've proven that lies treachery and deceit has been used against the British people to force the public's opinion and drag us into the EU even though its against our constitution. i have enough proof to go to court with to prove what i say, and your telling me we are traitors?!
you fail to consider 1 thing mate, if the EU is/was such a great thing, then no lies, intimidation, treachery or deceit would be needed to force us in, and we would have had an open and fair debate with a referendum from the 70's.

i have asked you to give me that 1 bit of proof that makes the EU this almighty and worthwhile organisation and i'm still waiting. i have put aside my preconceived opinions about the EU so i can look at your evidence with a fair and open mind, and you cant even do that much.

there's not 1 thing you or Bravds have shown me that says only the EU can do that, no other country can thereby justifying its existence...

and if you think you have, then think again because i cant see it!

[Juliette]

Well, it's true.. UK should just get out of the EU and go join NAFTA, kickstart the Commonwealth, or something along those lines.
(@Commonwealth: Yoweri Museveni? Seriously? Fans of Andromeda, rejoice. I present to you your god and master.)

If any country in the current EU could survive without it, it's the UK.


Still, then the EU would just put a stranglehold on the UK. Why'd you think Ireland's consenting to the Constitution was of such utmost importance that we'd cheat our electorate into voting in favour? Not because we Europe love Ireland. Because Ireland lies beyond the UK. Excellent strategic value if we're to exact trade tariffs for crossing our nautical territory, should the UK step up and out. Iceland to the northwest, Norway and Svalbard to the north, the Portuguese Azores to the southwest, Ireland dead west, and the continent to the east and south. You're encircled. Surrender.



If you can't beat them, join them.. first Europe trying to join the UK, now the reason why the UK stays.

[Legendary Apophis]

PS: if your country gets out of EU, expect some hostility from a certain % of Europeans (feeling of betraying). Me included. Run away for own profit and let allies down, that's betrayal and traitorship!

So what your saying is that the EU isnt democratic nor does it intend to respect the wishes of the people who make up the countries that have created the EU. Nice to see the truth coming out at last

You do know that it's not literally people who lead countries (there's elections and majority wins etc)? Then you should know that people opinions doesn't have to do literally with leaders' opinion. Afterall, aren't we not anymore in democracies? And in seriousness, countries don't think a whole as one, and anyway people are entitled to their opinion. And you got my opinion on the matter. And certainly some people here and there. If I was to be anti EU with a bunch of peers, it wouldn't mean everyone would be. D'oh.

Oh & btw dont you know anything about history, the French certainly arent allies of the UK, you lot have either been our enemies or we've had to carry you through conflicts as you cant hack it. Thats not an ally thats a liability!
Bad faith alert! Triple alliance, ever heard of that? France-UK-Russia. Rings a bell? That kind of denial shows true colors anyway. You see, the difference about me the all evil who is all bad if UK left EU is that the evil me doesn't consider UK as enemies or something like that as of now for whole last century. However, you seem to be the one acting all self admirating ("we've had to carry you through conflicts as you cant hack it") and oh soo conveniently forget the alliance in WW1 happend prior to the war (but well, I'm meant to be very bad at history, so you didn't expect me to mention that didn't you? Ah!). I don't know anything about history, that's why I'm in second year of history in university. Anyway, you seem to be the one who doesn't, because you still think about Louis XIV's Augsbourg league war , Louis XV's Seven years war or Napoleon's campaigns, it's outdated a bit.

Similar such goes for Germany, Spain, Italy and most of the core countries of the EU, so much for shared values.
High horse is so high that one can touch Jupiter with his hand!

Oh & dont make threats to the Brits, as history can tell you we dont respond well to them, usually to the detriment of those who made the threat.
I thought people like me had the monopol of threats. (I don't, but well) As far as I know, I'm not (yet) a politician...therefore my stance isn't really representative..oh well who knows.

Theres little point KMA, those from the continent barely understood what they had before they gave it all away anyways.

this is true, but i donbt give up easily when i know i'm right

Theres little point KMA, those from the continent barely understood what they had before they gave it all away anyways.
Yes we were ruins or something like that. Ruins from the WW2 fueled by nationalisms and antagonisms favorized by lack of union and excess of lonelyness and self caring and self admirating nations.


Jim, what are you talking about? your telling us that the rise of national socialism (Nazis) was due to lack of union on mainland Europe? are you serious?????????

if you can stand up and say that bunch of crap to a crowd of people and keep a straight face, then you should be an MEP!

Yes I proudly back my words. Antagonism is usually backed by nationalism. "I'm greater than you". When it's multiplied, it become mutual antagonism, and leads to a war. Seeing the other as a threat. It's quite simple. Bunch of crap as you call it is infact rationality.

PS: if your country gets out of EU, expect some hostility from a certain % of Europeans (feeling of betraying). Me included. Run away for own profit and let allies down, that's betrayal and traitorship!

hostility from who and why? i've proven that lies treachery and deceit has been used against the British people to force the public's opinion and drag us into the EU even though its against our constitution. i have enough proof to go to court with to prove what i say, and your telling me we are traitors?!
you fail to consider 1 thing mate, if the EU is/was such a great thing, then no lies, intimidation, treachery or deceit would be needed to force us in, and we would have had an open and fair debate with a referendum from the 70's.

i have asked you to give me that 1 bit of proof that makes the EU this almighty and worthwhile organisation and i'm still waiting. i have put aside my preconceived opinions about the EU so i can look at your evidence with a fair and open mind, and you cant even do that much.

there's not 1 thing you or Bravds have shown me that says only the EU can do that, no other country can thereby justifying its existence...

and if you think you have, then think again because i cant see it!

It's easy to consider something not a worthy argument because infact nothing in this world could make you appreciate EU due to your view towards it. I've said it already, capitalism explained positively to a far leftist by whoever supports capitalism being theorician, random average joe or a famous professor in a great university.
What you look for is direct benefit. UK as much as France help other countries. Sure, you will not see new buildings rising thanks to EU, because UK can afford that by themselves. Lone wolfism to the best, you represent.

As for threats towards UK to join EU, go to a court and see what happens! If you think you are THAT much in the right. And see what will happen. Whether you have that much proves..

[Kit-Fox]

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[[KMA]Avenger]

It's easy to consider something not a worthy argument because infact nothing in this world could make you appreciate EU due to your view towards it.

i have asked you to give me that 1 bit of proof that makes the EU this almighty and worthwhile organisation and i'm still waiting. i have put aside my preconceived opinions about the EU so i can look at your evidence with a fair and open mind, and you cant even do that much.

Ahh dont you love it KMA when pops & radience get their panties in a twist.

Its sooo much fun watching them froth at the mouth & rise to obvious baiting

well, on the 1 hand, i do find it funny, while on the other, its not my wish or intention to antagonize anyone on these boards.

[Kit-Fox]

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[Juliette]

Its sooo much fun watching them froth at the mouth & rise to obvious baiting

It's even more fun watching you strain yourselves into the realm of open idiocy to bait me.. I'm not the one whoring ideas from some psychopath like Alex Jones, that Icke fellow, and other brainless failed abortions on legs.
It's such a pity that your baiting consists of other people's materials.. it would have been so heartwarming to see something from you, yourself for once. You're not really that unimaginative, are you? I mean.. sometimes I strain myself to see a glimpse of creativity, but then some lunatic's quotes crush the hope right out of me.

Ah well.. at least my world is fun to live in. Glad to provide some entertainment for you, show you a glimpse of my world.





As for the thread.. I have said 100x that you kids are right. Now quit being a **Filtered** and at least acknowledge that I agreed with your points.

[Kit-Fox]

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[[KMA]Avenger]

As for the thread.. I have said 100x that you kids are right. Now quit being a **Filtered** and at least acknowledge that I agreed with your points.

hmmm, that's VERY strange, i thought i had acknowledged that you agreed (hence why i've directed my resent replies only at pops and Bravds) already

must have deleted the reply by accident in one of my many edits

as for Jones, i couldn't careless if he is king of the clown people on clown planet in clown galaxy in clown universe!

if the man has the evidence and shows it, gives his sources and makes it easy for me to research for myself, and his many sources are amongst the police, army, intelligence, many politicians and some sources from inside the elites camp, then who are we to mock him?

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btw, its my investigations into the elites and what's going on in the world that lead me to AJ, not the other way round

and as for David Icke, the man is a bit to "out there" for my liking. i had enough trouble changing my opinion of just who runs the world without having to believe in reptilian shape-shifters from dimension X trying to conquer our universe.

[Legendary Apophis]

Ahh dont you love it KMA when pops & brdavs get their panties in a twist.

Its sooo much fun watching them froth at the mouth & rise to obvious baiting

And Pops, your forgetting that while we have worked with the french, almost all of the time its been out of conveinence rather that we wish to stand side by side with you. We've used the french, we havent ever truely allied with you & I bet we never will. Same goes again for the others, Britian doesnt ally easy, hell we dont even consider ourselves allies with the US (its just handy at the moment)

Don't expect the smallest amount of sympathy from people like me when UK will become 51st state then.
Your constant admittance that alliances with France and other countries was for pure interest (quite funny also that there's all this whinning about EU "profitting" from UK, "return feedback of the whip" hurts doesn't it?).

That makes this all quite laughable for me. See you admit you took opportunity by alliances with countries and apparently now get "abused" by same EU you abused in past, only puts a massive smile in my face. You reap what you sow, doesn't it? Whether you indeed get "abused" by EU or not, given what you said, it would just be...what is it called already? Oh yeah. Justiiice!

Thanks for pointing it out, now the big bad EU who "harrassed" poor poor UK into joining doesn't seem as rational as it used to be now, isn't it?