Another Life on Another Planet?

[KnowLedge]

READ THIS, DONT SKIP IT CAUSE ITS LONG, READ AND TELL ME IF IT MAKES SENSE




I was just thinking about weather or not the 'other' life on the other plant would be more intelligent then us, or less..

my point of view is that the other life can not be more intelligent then us, It is simply not possible. Heres the proof..

firstly.. there are 100-400 billion stars on in our galaxy. some stars have planets, and if those plants are at the right distance from those stars, then life can exist. (the probability of life is VERY high)
note; I wanna point out that the universe is about 13.5 billion years old, and the oldest star in the milky way is 13.2 billion years old. so therefore the milky way is almost as old as the universe.
our sun is 4.57 billion years old. That means, that it took around 8 years to make a our sun in this galaxy. and thus the solar system is 4.57 years old.

our human civilization took 4.57 years to be built!

so this means out of the 13 billion years the universe has, 8 were used in creating a galaxy, and the other 4.57 were used in making the human civilization.

hypothetically, if another life exists, the life must take the same amount of time for its solar system to form, and for the human life to evolve on it.

makes sense? what im saying is that if it took us this long, it should take them the same amount of time, and thus the other life forms can not be more intelligent or move evolved to their environment then us.


now if you how stars and solarsystems are made, you would know that stars are made up of hydrogen molecules (from past supar novas) comming to gather and giving the object a mass, making it a star with gravity. It starts pulling other rocks in its orbit and thats how a solar system is formed.
The impotent thing is the part with supar novas, supar novas are dead stars. so after our sun dies, it will go super nova and after few billion years a new star will be formed (or a blackhole) .. but since the new star can be formed after, that would lead to a "less evolved" life form, because they would simply have less time then us..

and thus the 'other' life from can be of same intelligence, or of less intelligence when compared to the human of earth.

wow, that was hard to explain.. btw all the dates and info come from wikipedia!

[[KMA]Avenger]

you're either forgetting, not counting or it simply hasn't occurred to you-a few things,

1, our civilisation is allot older than is taught in schools. man has been around MUCH longer and there are indeed not 1 but many lost civilisations lost to antiquity.

2, how do you know that every single galaxy, every single solar system, every single planet and every single star take the exact same amount of time to form as ours did? i would say from a layman's perspective that-that is a ludicrous statement.

3, if our civilisation has been around for MUCH longer than we know but have lost/forgotten our past, whose to say that an alien civilisation would suffer the same and be as mentally young as us?
what i'm trying to say is that even if another civilisation faced extermination (for whatever reason), whose to say they wouldn't have the means to escape to another planet in their solar system or another solar system entirely, and start again?


if you see what i'm getting at?

[Kit-Fox]

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[[KMA]Avenger]

agreed.

[KnowLedge]

2, how do you know that every single galaxy, every single solar system, every single planet and every single star take the exact same amount of time to form as ours did? i would say from a layman's perspective that-that is a ludicrous statement.

the milky way is 13 billion years old, the universe is 13.5 billion years old. doesnt that make our solar system just as old, and it took our solar system 13 billion years to make us. if our solar system is as old as the universe then that makes us the first creation with this much intelligence..

3, if our civilisation has been around for MUCH longer than we know but have lost/forgotten our past, whose to say that an alien civilisation would suffer the same and be as mentally young as us?
what i'm trying to say is that even if another civilisation faced extermination (for whatever reason) they wouldn't have the means to escape to another planet in their solar system or another solar system entirely?

it doesnt matter how much we have lost and how much is forgotten, all matters is that 13.2 billion years after the creation of a galaxy, the humans will be like us.. and if the universe is only 13.5 billion years old, that it shows indirectly that we are the most intelligent creation that can occur anywhere else in the universe from the time that it was first created..

[KnowLedge]

Just one problem, Our sun wont go supernova nor will it give birth to a blackhole. Our sun is most probably going to turn into a red giant and expand out to about the mars orbit. From there it will slowly loss its mass and end its life as a white dwarf star.

Its end cycle will be that of a white dwarf, there will be no supernova to herald the end of its life to the rest of the universe. Our sun simply isnt big enough or powerful enough to create that ending for itself (at least on its own, assuming we dont play with it at any time in the future)

that point only shows that stars can go super nova, and form that newer stars can be created, and from newer stars, newer solar systems, and possibly a planet with life.

what im trying to say, is that other stars dying rite now that are big enough to go through supar nova will make more stars in the future and more solar systems.. this gives them a late start and thus the life form on other plants in those solar systems would have less time to evolve.

[Kit-Fox]

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[[KMA]Avenger]

2, how do you know that every single galaxy, every single solar system, every single planet and every single star take the exact same amount of time to form as ours did? i would say from a layman's perspective that-that is a ludicrous statement.

the milky way is 13 billion years old, the universe is 13.5 billion years old. doesnt that make our solar system just as old, and it took our solar system 13 billion years to make us. if our solar system is as old as the universe then that makes us the first creation with this much intelligence..

3, if our civilisation has been around for MUCH longer than we know but have lost/forgotten our past, whose to say that an alien civilisation would suffer the same and be as mentally young as us?
what i'm trying to say is that even if another civilisation faced extermination (for whatever reason) they wouldn't have the means to escape to another planet in their solar system or another solar system entirely?

it doesnt matter how much we have lost and how much is forgotten, all matters is that 13.2 billion years after the creation of a galaxy, the humans will be like us.. and if the universe is only 13.5 billion years old, that it shows indirectly that we are the most intelligent creation that can occur anywhere else in the universe from the time that it was first created..

you've missed the point mate.

civilisations are complex things, as we all know, ours has had it share of ups n downs, some of those downs are because of natural catastrophes which have wiped out whole cultures and peoples, some of the downs have been our own making what with man,s constant warfare...what if an alien culture in a younger galaxy hasn't had all that to go through? what if these aliens have never warred and have IQ's in the mid to high hundreds? what if these smart aliens even though younger than us in years are light years ahead of us because of the above reasons?

[KnowLedge]

It doesnt show anything of the kind, it shows that we have had lots of time to do plenty with and instead of getting on with it we've wasted the time.

Other planets and other solar systems could have formed much faster than ours did, especially if the system is much smaller.

And life could have evolved much faster if there were more pressing reasons to develop than there are on our planet. lets fact it for a few million years 'humanity' didnt progress at all as everything was gravy, on another world the primary dominating lifeform might not have had such a stumble on the way up as it were

yea,... taht was the only argument i could think of to my theory.. i must find out if our solar system was indeed the fastest one that can be created..

[Kit-Fox]

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[[KMA]Avenger]

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It doesnt show anything of the kind, it shows that we have had lots of time to do plenty with and instead of getting on with it we've wasted the time.

Other planets and other solar systems could have formed much faster than ours did, especially if the system is much smaller.

And life could have evolved much faster if there were more pressing reasons to develop than there are on our planet. lets fact it for a few million years 'humanity' didnt progress at all as everything was gravy, on another world the primary dominating lifeform might not have had such a stumble on the way up as it were

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yea,... taht was the only argument i could think of to my theory.. i must find out if our solar system was indeed the fastest one that can be created..

we will probably never know what kind of solar system/galaxy would be created the "quickest" since ALL galaxy's are like our fingerprints. each is unique and distinctive, i dont see how something like that could be calculated or quantified.

yea,... taht was the only argument i could think of to my theory.. i must find out if our solar system was indeed the fastest one that can be created..

Ours isnt anywhere near the fastest, in fact ours is probably towards the slower end of the middle road spectrum thanks to the amount of raw materials that must have been present to create as many planets as we have in our system.

There are systems out there with just 1/2 planets orbiting the central star. Those systems are most likely the fastest to solidify as there are obviously fewer materials for them to work and deal with.

doesnt less mass =less gravity? if so, a system with much less mass in it might take more time to coalesce, or never coalesce at all...

or am i barking up the wrong tree?

[KnowLedge]

2, how do you know that every single galaxy, every single solar system, every single planet and every single star take the exact same amount of time to form as ours did? i would say from a layman's perspective that-that is a ludicrous statement.

the milky way is 13 billion years old, the universe is 13.5 billion years old. doesnt that make our solar system just as old, and it took our solar system 13 billion years to make us. if our solar system is as old as the universe then that makes us the first creation with this much intelligence..

3, if our civilisation has been around for MUCH longer than we know but have lost/forgotten our past, whose to say that an alien civilisation would suffer the same and be as mentally young as us?
what i'm trying to say is that even if another civilisation faced extermination (for whatever reason) they wouldn't have the means to escape to another planet in their solar system or another solar system entirely?

it doesnt matter how much we have lost and how much is forgotten, all matters is that 13.2 billion years after the creation of a galaxy, the humans will be like us.. and if the universe is only 13.5 billion years old, that it shows indirectly that we are the most intelligent creation that can occur anywhere else in the universe from the time that it was first created..

you've missed the point mate.

civilisations are complex things, as we all know, ours has had it share of ups n downs, some of those downs are because of natural catastrophes which have wiped out whole cultures and peoples, some of the downs have been our own making what with man,s constant warfare...what if an alien culture in a younger galaxy hasn't had all that to go through? what if these aliens have never warred and have IQ's in the mid to high hundreds? what if these smart aliens even though younger than us in years are light years ahead of us because of the above reasons?

indeed civilizations are complex. but if you look at the evolutionary time also known as 'deep time' few thousand year causes no change to the evolutionary cycle . constant warfare? lasted wat 2000 years? if a 100000 years doesn't do much to the evolutionary cycle of organisms, why would 2000 years?

the only way aliens or other life can have a more IQ then us, is IF They had more time to evolve in their environment. and since our galaxy is as old as galaxies can be, the other life forms cant have more time to evolve..


the exception is, as someone above pointed out, the fact that our galaxy may have taken too long to be built.. in which case those few billion years saved and used in evolution can change everything..

[[KMA]Avenger]

i'll counter that tomorrow...right now i'm looking for my wife coz the kids are in bed

[KnowLedge]

i'll counter that tomorrow...right now i'm looking for my wife coz the kids are in bed

k lol

[Kit-Fox]

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