something has GOT to be done about this

[bleedingblue]

i imagine that i am not the first to notice it, or the first to post here on the forums about it, let alone in this section, but it is ridiculous.

the blatant exploitation of pergatory is beyond agitating. i go there for a little growth (mainly off of my own UP and naq productions mind you, as they are enough for substantial growth), and i get farmed and harassed daily by players ranked in not only the top 1000 (i myself am in the top 1000, but that has come about merely as a means of collecting a little g/r while in perg to ascend, part of my growth), but the top 10? really. i dont mean to point fingers, but maelstrom, as everyone knows, are the biggest violators. they are not the only ones however, as there are several individual players as well.

players who find loopholes and show ignorance such as this are making the game stagnating the flow of new players. correct me if im wrong in that pergatory was created as a haven for smaller/newer players to escape the sometimes excessive and over-aggressive behavior of the older and much larger players?

i've been playing for years and am one of the kinder players in the game as i've been told by MANY, well, MOST, of the players i've come accross. im civil, kind, and help other players whenever possible, regardless of size. when i was 40mill on my return to the game after a short break due to ARMY affairs, i gave away i believe it was 5trill naq or so to duderanch (nearly 8 times my size) because of his unfortunate ppt accident. i do not mean to talk myself up, merely to impress upon you my sincerety in helping not only the newer/smaller players of the game, but to help increase the flow of new players INTO the game. i for one like SGW as a game and community and dont want to see it slowly die down because of a bunch of ignorant players who either dont realize or dont care that they're hurting the game.

i mean no offense to anyone by it, but i get the feeling this statement will be largely ignored, regardless of the responsae i get to it from mods, etc etc, but any other case of game exploitation as severe as this would have been banned and fixed LONG ago, and although i understand how busy the admins are, this is an issue much more important than a multi account or "someone wont stop farming me and blahblahblah..."

i look for no personal gain in much of what i do ingame and RL, only to better the SGW experience for new players and help those in need, and in this situation i find my hands tied.

i appreciate your time and hope that someone can at least engage me in talks about this situation with some answers or at least acceptable excuses.

thank you for your time

[Zeratul]

MOVED TO APPROPRIATE SECTION


please read section name in the future:
Forum Specific Issues/Requests/Bugs (NOT GAME ISSUES)

[bleedingblue]

my apologies zeratul, late night, long day, but no excuse. i appreciat the move and heads up regardless

[Juliette]

MOVED TO APPROPRIATE SECTION
please read section name in the future:
Forum Specific Issues/Requests/Bugs (NOT GAME ISSUES)

Moving it on to the actual appropriate section.

[Sarevok]

I think most people in main, and even some in perg would agree with you on this.

Problem is, Perg was made for a "slower" game-play style. So their technically not exploiting anything, just being very active in a realm that's meant to be slower (less active?)

There are many main players chomping at the bit to get at some of the people in purgatory.

I recon, since they can get glory from this realm, there should be slight interaction between them. I mean, if your in a different plane of existence, but getting things from another plane, how is that realistic. Something like, attacks between the planes (attacking or sabotage) SHOULD be allowed, just at a penalty. Something like your attack/covert power, is only 50% when being used inter-planer. This way, both sides can get at each other, and if the perg people STILL have the power/skill to be highly ranked, then they deserve the glory.

[wasmguy]

Most of us who have come to perg didnt like game play in norm. After getting massed 3 times in one week (all because I was in GnR), I went inactive for a time before returning and going to perg.

A few of us have just adjusted our gameplay to fit the perg restrictions and simply banded together. We meet aggression with aggression but other than that, we just farm, as do most other people.

If we can attain the ranks that we do with the restrictions we are under, it goes to show the flaws in norm, not the other way around

Edit: I wont be sitting in perg forever, just until the game is more playable in norm or until I think my account is ready to go back and face the challenges of norm

[Tek]

The way perg works tetris, unless you have an alliance going with you, there's sweet FA you can do on your own other than MS mass, do minimal damage to defences and utilise sabs that are limited by Cov Capacity.

Its actually a more tactical and teamwork based style of war in perg, but its also a safe haven for folks to sit with huge stats because of this.

How many new players can organise strikes the scale that would be needed to do a good job. Hell theres not many Alliances in main that co-ordinate that efficiently.

[Jorgensen]

You leave huge amount of naq out, and then cries when it gets taken?

I farm you on a daly basis, for this reason, but harrassed?
I play the game by the rules, and are in no way disrespectful or anything like that.

There is much complaints about pergatory realm, and top ranked players in perg.
Why?
We play the game by the rules, and I peronally don't care about rank, coz to me who have finisched ascendeing it's useless.
But i have an account which is good for pergatory way of fighting and playing.

[dark lord tacoma]

You leave huge amount of naq out, and then cries when it gets taken?

I farm you on a daly basis, for this reason, but harrassed?
I play the game by the rules, and are in no way disrespectful or anything like that.

There is much complaints about pergatory realm, and top ranked players in perg.
Why?
We play the game by the rules, and I peronally don't care about rank, coz to me who have finisched ascendeing it's useless.
But i have an account which is good for pergatory way of fighting and playing.

[bleedingblue]

lol, it's not about me, tetris. i could well handle maelstrom on my own. its about the players that CANT handle themselves, the ones who dont know the game that well yet. my own personal losses in the situation are irrelivant. please keep in contact with me, id appreciate it...

jorgensen, look above, right here in this post: MY OWN PERSONAL LOSSES IN THE SITUATION ARE IRRELIVANT. that's not what this post is about.

maelstrom sits atop the alliance rankings with just under 30 memebers, i believe the count to currently be 28, and yet they fear no alliance because why: you're in perg the others cant touch you.

the glory and reputation score is about just that: the glory and reputation you gain from wars and fighting for your place inside g/r range, or at the very least maintaining it. if any other alliance of your size, with members your size, having units trained the way you all do, you wouldnt exist.

not only are you cheating new/smaller players, you are exploiting pergatory and cheating the sgw community. the only reason you cling the belief that what you do is right is just that: BECAUSE you are doing it. you are trying to justify something that has no justification.

[wasmguy]

Now let me get this right.

You want progress in the game. I am not against that, in fact I am all for it.

But your MAIN gripe seems to be just a classic case of tall poppy syndrome. We work within the strict restrictions imposed on us. If people in norm with their limitless resources cannot maintain rank above us how is that our problem? With our limited army size and limited farming it says something about the game in general, not about perg.

If you want us to have competition, how about setting up an alliance of your own? There are plenty (more than we could handle) of experienced players in perg with decent accounts that you could recruit.

You complain it is too hard for new players to gain glory. There are around 150 people in GnR range currently in perg, a little over 10% and out of that probably 20 (at the most) are not looking to ascend anytime soon. So I ask you this, how many players are there in norm, with their limitless resources, are doing the same thing? While yes, individually they may not be in the top 2% all the time, but as a whole they are taking up a positions that you so desperately want for the newer players.

The biggest problem is that the small players often fall prey to the big for simple fact they are new. They put all their resources into their army trying to get GnR only to get massed because someone simply didnt like them building stats with nothing else. Or another classic reason they farmed someone who had been massed and still didnt have a defence. How lame is that.

We are not going around mindlessly bashing small accounts simply because we can as what constantly happening in norm. We are not harassing people because we can. About all we do is farm an fight others who have imposed themselves upon us. We leave others be generally to grow and ascend as they see fit. Heck, in the last little battle we had, we left out the members of the alliance who were ascending and wanted no part in it

This is a suggestions topic so how about some suggestions instead of this constant whinging.

How about you cant attack someone who is 1/5 your size?

How about no glory for perg?

How about setting up a seperate ranking system for perg?

How about a turn limit on attacking new players in their first 3-6 months?

How about giving new players more untradable resources to get them going?

How about a mentoring system?

How about an automatic ingame PM for new players with a link to the FAQ section of the forums?

How about something to fix the game in general rather than the perceived problem with perg?

How about suggesting something constructive to help new players (if thats what you are really worried about) rather than just complaining about perg?

P.S. How many officers do you have at the moment that you are trying to help?

[numbers]

. i could well handle maelstrom on my own. .

watch your words...

lol im in perg in ranks for g&r but also does not care for it and im unaccended
just wasting away the 10k on critical

[Leucetius]

this discussion never seems to stop.. new thread every time but the outcome is always the same...

i guess wasm has found the right words. and bleedingblue.. id like to see you "handling" us. its impossible for an individual to deal significant damage in perg.

[bleedingblue]

@numbers: if you expect words to be watched you best watch those of your own as well. i pointed out an observation of your alliance and if jorgensen wants to toss around words, so be it i'll play. i have not met many of your members, and i dont hold grudges against players i dont know. the bad taste in my mouth of maelstrom, as far as members go, is from your higher ups and my dealings with them to date. however, this is not a post about me whining and making a vendetta of things.

wasmguy, although all those things you propose are valid ideas, and good ones, there is a much SIMPLER solution to the issue: instead of having the admins change the game to set caps and regulations and FORCE you out of perg, take it upon yourselves to say "Hey, im 50mill+ army size with a powerful MS (or what have you) and have the ability to defend myself from many of the players in main. i've used perg for it's purpose, now it's time to go...". it's called taking initiative and doing whats right.

yea, a lot more massing goes on in main, that's undeniable, as well as a lot more farming. but that farming goes the same way. instead of taking from those who are so new, you could take from the large amount of inactives in main.

[Sarevok]

Time to set this topic straight

The topic is about (it would seem) people in purgatory, essentially using the realm against it's essence. Weather someone meets the rules of it or not is irrelevant. It was designed for a slower game play, and for newer accounts (hence smaller) to learn to grow.

So, i want to see suggestions, or rebuttals against suggestion, and not bickering between players