Public Negotiations - Yes or no?

[Norbe]

seriously who's in charge of TTF ? i know we have been talking to robe and norbe.

TLE - Brdavs/ R8
Taf - Norbe

just to help you alittle Zeeky

Actually Harchy Baby you are a little out. Though it seems to be a commonly made mistake. I am not in charge of TÅF, in any way shape or form. Let alone TF. Maybe I need to put that in my sig. I am just one of 5 elected members of the TÅ HC.

However I was nominated by TF members to conduct talks with FUAll representatives in the past, as was Robe and C2. For simplicitys sake I will likely be involved again.

~Norbe~

[zeekomkommer]

Just make a section that only 4 people can post in... (1 OE, 1 DDE, etc) lay everything on the table and if it doesn't work then oh well what harm does it cause? But it gets rid of the whole he said she said bs

me and R8 talked on MSN and have proposed saturday 20th 21.00 GMT for a meeting between FUALL and TTF. 4 from FUALL and 4 from TTF present

(NO neutrals)

[Mordack]

I don't think any alliance should allow itself to be pressured into conducting public negotiations, to be honest. No alliance is the government, and no alliance owes individual players or the general community anything whatsoever. If you don't like the way an alliance does things, you should just lump it.

We both know.. that's not entirely true now is it.

Obviously I think it is, Semper, otherwise I wouldn't have posted it.

Well then... that's a marginally senseless position to take... I thought you knew better than to say such a silly thing. The public and your community are hugely important... never, ever underestimate their power.. greater men and players than both you and I have made that mistake and ended up circling more than just one hypothetical drain, others have not.

If there was no external community, FUALL, TTF.. any alliance would have no power.

Obviously all of the major alliances play the public relations game. Even those which claim not to care are doing so in their own way. I would, however, think less of any alliance which alters fundamental aspects of its own policy in order to coddle public opinion.

Omega Allegiance was criticized for a long, long time by a majority of the community for having a 'random massing' policy and made no changes to it. It wasn't until recently, and thanks no doubt to the influx of eunuchs in their leadership, that it was outlawed. I use a high profile example, but there were others. Even the ever-spineless DD took a lot of flak for their MAD policy but nonetheless refused to repeal it.

Both sides are in this war because they want to win. If they weren't, then it would have ended a long time before now. It's become a war of attrition. The fun parts happened years ago, and it's now a waiting game. A test of which side has the greatest solidarity and the most committment to their victory. A test which I'd say FUALL is most definitely winning. Pandering to the do-gooders at the eleventh hour would undermine everything which they've spent the last god knows how long working at.

[Lore]

I honestly don't even understand why negotiations are even needed.

Do you want to keep fighting?

If yes, then fight and negotiations are not needed

If no, then surrender and negotiations are not needed

either way 1 question answers it all, Do you want to keep fighting, and based on your answer act accordingly.

[JediMasterX]

Neutral people, im sure we can come up with a list of people who have not been in TTF or FUALL at any point in time.

Anyways, hopefull this works. If not we're back to square 1 with even more he said she said because neither side is probably going to agree as to what went wrong with these upcomming negotiations. Its gonna be multiple different stories.

Well at least negotiations are back up. Interesting to see which way they'll go this time.

[Brdavs]

Idk it`s less about ending it than getting unsubstantiated fingerpointing that goes around most of the time out of the way. I`m sure theres a good reason to still fight somewhere under all that stuff heh.

Btw, like I said, this was just my idea, take it for what it is or leave it heh.

[moses]

Neutral people, im sure we can come up with a list of people who have not been in TTF or FUALL at any point in time.

Anyways, hopefull this works. If not we're back to square 1 with even more he said she said because neither side is probably going to agree as to what went wrong with these upcomming negotiations. Its gonna be multiple different stories.

Well at least negotiations are back up. Interesting to see which way they'll go this time.

I are completly neutral neva been apart of any of ze alliances muahahahaha

[HiteiKan]

Hasn't it been made clear yet?

Most of the people on either sides don`t want to quit, get over it.

Those who do want to get out of the server war, post a surrender.

Surrender rejected? Well then, next time think before you get into something you cant handle.

[JediMasterX]

@moses: lemme rephrase that. Some one neutral that we can trust .... jk dude.

[Tekki]

Ah let's make this clear, while individual surrenders have been rejected for a number of reasons, if an alliance comes forward, or all of TTF and says 'We surrender' then it's over, bar the kicking and the screaming and the shocked expressions.

No tribute, no reparation, no repatriation, no you must give us 20% of your army or X trillion naq to surrender or in punishment for daring to attack us back.

Once that first clause is out of the way, the rest of the treaty or lack of treaty is open to negotiation.

[HonoredSLayer]

what my good friend hiteikan here means to say is that he wishes to be a neutral party that will be present during the negotiations. I would also like to place my bid for a neutral position considering i would probably lose my temper in the negotiations and cut all your heads off anyways.


the true point of this comment.

those who are not part of the conflict should be called to a meeting and should attend this said meeting. 1 official from each alliance in the war regardless of how many alliances there are on each side.

the meeting should be planned at least 10 days in advanced set at a time where everyone can attend.
until then no one from either side should be talking to the other on anything.

do these seem like unfair things to ask. if so then you do not want to move on and would prefer to fight for nothing against nothing with nothing for that is all you guys are doing.

[Andariel]

I agree with Lore.

[Brdavs]

And therein lies the rub as the bard would tell us. What one would consider the main article to be negiotate the other refuses to from the get go.

I don`t know from where the idea that negotiations = one sides basic demand fulfilled + 4-5 comsetic points up for discussion lol. Saying "surrender but we can discuss the angle you bend your knee at" is not really compromising lol.

I mean its all fair and good either way but can we have no fingerpointing in term lol?

I can take an ultimatum for what it is and refuse it, I just don`t like to be served one wrapped up nice and fancy and afterwards be blamed for not going allong with it lol aka "my inability to be constructive and compromise" lol. Find another angle to pin the PR campaign to. People have been told a lot of stuf in this aspect. I`m wondering if we all have the cahones to play str8 ball for a change.

Just me. This is what caused that first post in the original, nothing else. This would all be so much more pleasant without this BS.

Having cake and eating it too is no good.

[JediMasterX]

Ah let's make this clear, while individual surrenders have been rejected for a number of reasons, if an alliance comes forward, or all of TTF and says 'We surrender' then it's over, bar the kicking and the screaming and the shocked expressions.

No tribute, no reparation, no repatriation, no you must give us 20% of your army or X trillion naq to surrender or in punishment for daring to attack us back.

Once that first clause is out of the way, the rest of the treaty or lack of treaty is open to negotiation.

Which is a helluva lot better than the old days 4+ years ago when you had to pay a "tribute"

But yeah that's all it is. Don't know why people think its so horrible. You lost, so what. Did you have fun? Accomplish what you want? Grow? Gain friends? Then sounds like a victory to me.

[Brdavs]

No we won. Cos I said so. Simmilary to how you think you won cos you said so.

Man this is going to the same place fast lol.


Migtaswell just lock this puppy. Author wills it. Apparently some peeps just want things uder wraps and in the gutter for some reason unknown to me. My crytall ball allso tells me talks slated on last page will fail heh.



P.S. And be a sport and dont answer to get the last word in and then lock in the same post.