50m AT missing from the market?

[deni]

How is a new guy supposed to catch up if they cannot raid due to the lack of AT?

This game survived for that long only because there was an opportunity for newly joined players to raid and compete with older players. With the lack of AT, their only way for them to catch up is to use $.

I find it interesting that the ones who do not play the game are the most vocal supporters of the "abundance of AT is killing the game"- theory

How is the new guy supposed to catch up, with empires/alliance enforcing a "1hit -> mass" policies?

They see you have 50b naq out, with a 200m defence, they have a 300m strike, so take the naq. They have 1/4 of their account in defence/covert, to defend their income whilst their not online. They awaken in the morning, to find their account decimated by a 1hit -> mass empire/alliance, and figure "there's no point in playing, I’ll never be able to catch up if I loose most of my stuff for attacking anyone" and quit.

Not everyone was part of a big alliance when they joined the game. I know I was not. I do perfectly remember all those accounts with under par defenses and a lot of naq out that were out of limits for me.

It does not take a rocket scientist to know who you can hit or not, depending on their alliance, commander etc if you do not want to get massed. Politics was, is and will be an essential part of the game.

After all, in RL you do not pick a fight with Mike Tyson if you do not have a deathwish, don't you?

[deni]

I have to agree with Z, What incentive is there for the older players to stay if they been here 5 yrs and a 6 month old account can stomp them in the ground?

Fact is the new comer HAS the advantage. The game is new and exciting to them where someone who has been here 5 yrs is bored and sick to death of it. Its called the cycle of life, the older players leave the game allowing the best of the newer players to rise up and take their places.

Now I have no issues with it taking a new player 2.5 yrs to do what took others 5 yrs, but a 6 month (or less) account competing with a 5yr old account make the game pointless by the same measure that you argue For the new accounts.

A new comer has no more of an advantage than anyone else that puts in the time and effort. The only way a new player can stomp an old player in the ground, is if the old player isn't doing **Filtered** with their account.... banking and training.

The old player reached the plague... build your MS or a couple of kickass duals.

This update appeals to the lazy ass old school players that don't want to put forth any time or effort to staying at top. So they want to slow everyone else down. It's as simple as that.

Well said again Max.

[Sarevok]

A new comer has no more of an advantage than anyone else that puts in the time and effort. The only way a new player can stomp an old player in the ground, is if the old player isn't doing **Filtered** with their account.... banking and training.

The old player reached the plague... build your MS or a couple of kickass duals.

This update appeals to the lazy ass old school players that don't want to put forth any time or effort to staying at top. So they want to slow everyone else down. It's as simple as that.

If it is, why aren't they in perg? Sell all their UU for Naq, improve their MS, and enter perg.

I've been playing for at least 4 years. So, i'll claim i'm one of the "older" players. Yet i'm probably less active then i was even a year ago

[deni]

A new comer has no more of an advantage than anyone else that puts in the time and effort. The only way a new player can stomp an old player in the ground, is if the old player isn't doing **Filtered** with their account.... banking and training.

The old player reached the plague... build your MS or a couple of kickass duals.

This update appeals to the lazy ass old school players that don't want to put forth any time or effort to staying at top. So they want to slow everyone else down. It's as simple as that.

If it is, why aren't they in perg? Sell all their UU for Naq, improve their MS, and enter perg.

I've been playing for at least 4 years. So, i'll claim i'm one of the "older" players. Yet i'm probably less active then i was even a year ago

Just take a look at the accounts with the biggest armies (and highest incomes) and their id's.

You won't find many 6 digits id's there.

[pug theblackrobe]

whats with all this new 6 month old player can go toe to toe with a 5 year vet they cant honestly can they as each ascension takes 3 weeks so 10 ascensions is 6 months and if they do work like mad so what thats down to the 5 year vets who stopped ascending at lg or ag. To stay ahead of the game less posting and more working at your account will work

[Sarevok]

It does not take a rocket scientist to know who you can hit or not, depending on their alliance, commander etc if you do not want to get massed. Politics was, is and will be an essential part of the game.

No, but at the same time, not giving new players a chance for a mistake is hardly encouraging for them

They'll either go "well, this game sucks" and leave, or as you said, learn from their mistake and say "Ok, that alliance is off limits for me". However, that reduces the income of new players by lets say 50%.

If you look at the income of new players, and the number of "I Quit..." threads, then Max's estimate of 4-500 down to 2-300 is probably quite correct.

[Hoochivette]

You tell it MaxSterling!

For old players, ATs are simply massing tools first and rebuilding tools second. For new players, they're supposed to be the ticket to getting away from being everyone's farms.

We cant just sit back and wait for our resources to grow. That'll take years to get a half decent MS. By that time, the bigger, older players will be so far ahead still that our half decent MS is still a pile of puke going up against theirs.

Secondly, we dont have years to play catch up. Think back to when you started playing 5 years ago. How long did it take to catch up to the top players of those days? 6 months? A year top? What was different before this update then?

[Sarevok]

A new comer has no more of an advantage than anyone else that puts in the time and effort. The only way a new player can stomp an old player in the ground, is if the old player isn't doing **Filtered** with their account.... banking and training.

The old player reached the plague... build your MS or a couple of kickass duals.

This update appeals to the lazy ass old school players that don't want to put forth any time or effort to staying at top. So they want to slow everyone else down. It's as simple as that.

If it is, why aren't they in perg? Sell all their UU for Naq, improve their MS, and enter perg.

I've been playing for at least 4 years. So, i'll claim i'm one of the "older" players. Yet i'm probably less active then i was even a year ago

Just take a look at the accounts with the biggest armies (and highest incomes) and their id's.

You won't find many 6 digits id's there.

1/6 of the top 30 have a ID 6 didgits or higher

[Sarevok]

For old players, ATs are simply massing tools first and rebuilding tools second. For new players, they're supposed to be the ticket to getting away from being everyone's farms.

lol, hard to do, when anyone in an active alliance, probably has an alliance with a "you hit us once, we'll crush you" attitude. And anyone without an alliance, is only a 1/2 as good farm

[harchester]

you gotta be kidding me this isnt good at all

can i still by 10k turns for $$ on the market ?

and this will change alot of massers gamestyles as it will not be profitable to mass people now as if i mass some1 then i could run out of turns and not farm enough to repair all my stuff

Why was this done ?

[harchester]

:shock: you gotta be kidding me this isnt good at all

can i still by 10k turns for $$ on the market ?

and this will change alot of massers gamestyles as it will not be profitable to mass people now as if i mass some1 then i could run out of turns and not farm enough to repair all my stuff

Why was this done ?

most likely, for the reasons you just said

Massing people was one part of this game that kept me here

with this update it will kill the game this is awful

[Sarevok]

You can still buy from the $$ market.

However, there's only 600k, instead of 2-3m available

[Sarevok]

:shock: you gotta be kidding me this isnt good at all

can i still by 10k turns for $$ on the market ?

and this will change alot of massers gamestyles as it will not be profitable to mass people now as if i mass some1 then i could run out of turns and not farm enough to repair all my stuff

Why was this done ?

most likely, for the reasons you just said

Massing people was one part of this game that kept me here

with this update it will kill the game this is awful

Would it be better just to make defenses stronger?

That way, you can spend more time massing defenses

[harchester]

:shock: you gotta be kidding me this isnt good at all

can i still by 10k turns for $$ on the market ?

and this will change alot of massers gamestyles as it will not be profitable to mass people now as if i mass some1 then i could run out of turns and not farm enough to repair all my stuff

Why was this done ?

most likely, for the reasons you just said

Massing people was one part of this game that kept me here

with this update it will kill the game this is awful

Would it be better just to make defenses stronger?

That way, you can spend more time massing defenses

yes do this

You can still buy from the $$ market.

However, there's only 600k, instead of 2-3m available

well then im ok i can still mass willy nilly just will cost me more $$

[Legendary Apophis]

Someone with an army size less than 5mil, are they expected to ever catch up now without spending cash?

They are expected to catch up after spending a similar amount of time on the game as the 'end game players'. Maybe a bit less due to the prevalence and abundance of resources, but definitely not within a few months after starting to play.

And realise this. The real big $$ players? You'll never get them. Why? Well.. just take a look at the Market's supplies, and you can see the massive discrepancies in that regard. When you compare your growth, your size to $$ players, it's not about catching up. It's about not falling much further behind. And I'll agree that with this situation, you will fall further behind.


Could a 10 year old have achieved the same as a 30 year old who's had an active life up to that point in his life? Or could the achievements of the 10 year old prodigy compare to the achievements of an 80 year old captain of industry who has dedicated his life to furthering his knowledge, his riches, expanding his imperium?
No matter the genius of players, time will always be a crucial element. And time, you cannot catch up to. Unless you outgrow the growth of the growth of others by several multiples..

Well said!