Loss of AT vs Improve defences

[Tekki]

However, this also cripples the inactive farmers, slowing everyones growth to a standstill.

Err I WANT the inactive farmers to be dead!

By this you mean people whom farm inactive accounts? Or those whom are barely active and farm other accounts?

The second - your phrasing was not clear on which type 'inactive farmers' can mean either and it's annoying to havet he barely playing peoples able to catch up to 'decent' in about 2 mins.

[Sarevok]

Oh yeh, in that case true. I agree.

I meant people who farm account that are inactive to grow themselves. They will be the ones hardest hit, since they rely on lower prices to make a profit to grow themselves better

[CABAL]

Lower ATs, but not as low as now, and improve defence effectiveness a bit.

[Sir Phoenix Knight]

Well i say improve defenses and don't lower AT's

For the reason i am on a fast ascension's once every 14 days it requires alot of naq to be able to do this every 2 weeks around 35 trill at the moment so i spend some were around 75k AT's a fornight stealling naq buying more AT's and getting a little bit of UU from inactive accounts
so you could say I am one of these players that stays out of the way from war and conflicts to farm so i can grow fast.
I started my account about 18 months ago and am trying to reach lvl 23 ascension +
I rely on spending about 10 hours a day playing this avg'ing about 10 trill a day in stolen naq as with AT prices the way they are at the moment i am only making 50% profit and the rest goes on more AT's
if the AT's go to a price were i am barely braking even from farming i will not be able to ascend at all as it will take a year just to get enough naq to reach the next lvl..

I have already spent more Real Cash on this game then i thought i ever would no were near as much as some on here but i do not want to have to spend $50 USD a week to have enough turns just to farm
i will just save my self the trouble and pretty much quit in farming and just PPT all the time.

And also the Defense Increase would be nice, as at the moment but what is the point of even having them as 1 account using all of 500'ish turns can lvl even any size def as long as they can match it or beat it with there attacks, before nox even has a effect so what if they have to wait 7 seconds i have still had my defense 0'ed in less then a turn change from 1 account and before my nox even kicks in if you want to make it harder to mass someone cut the nox limit in half from 640 at max defcon to 320 atleast that would give me a fighting chances if i am not online for all of 1 turn change especially since having nox on and defcon max drians 75% in total of your income per turn..
you are paying alot of naq for nothing as you can still find you def gone and your MS gone in all of 15 minutes...

Sorry guys i know how to ramble on a bit but this really is pissing me off about the AT's..

[Hoochivette]

Raise the number of ATs! Who cares about being randomly massed, it wasn't impossible to rebuild with all those ATs around. Random massings wont stop, you'll see. If anything, the people in the massed alliances just wont be able to rebuild very quickly again.

At Apophis' point about being in the game so long. If you never had a single war in those 5 years, I'm sure your MS and army size would be incredibly impressive right now. Wars set you back.

New accounts that begin playing are focused purely on growth cos their competition is so far ahead of them when they start. Yeah, they can get the army size within 2 months and do some massing but how does that mean they've caught up to you?

Their ascended level is probably prophet, their MS will most definitely suck and their planets are probably all UP ones hence their not actually able to fight much without taking large losses.

It'll probably take a year or more before they can compete effectively. That's long enough. With this update, it'll take 3-4 years. The game wont be around that long. Without new accounts and mid sized accounts growing, the game will be dead this year

[Sarevok]

And also the Defense Increase would be nice, as at the moment but what is the point of even having them as 1 account using all of 500'ish turns can lvl even any size def as long as they can match it or beat it with there attacks, before nox even has a effect so what if they have to wait 7 seconds i have still had my defense 0'ed in less then a turn change from 1 account and before my nox even kicks in if you want to make it harder to mass someone cut the nox limit in half from 640 at max defcon to 320 atleast that would give me a fighting chances if i am not online for all of 1 turn change especially since having nox on and defcon max drians 75% in total of your income per turn..
you are paying alot of naq for nothing as you can still find you def gone and your MS gone in all of 15 minutes...

It is true. However, it will limit whom is able to.
As it stands, you can have a 3T defense taken down by a 1T attack (even a 500B attack if their really game, and waiting for the AB), coupled with Attack planets, mercs, and MS, the actual cost in UU for the attacker is minimal.
Even increasing the % needed to 75% will help alot. Rather then needing 500B (take the extreemest whom use AB to damage), they'll need a minimum of 1.125T to even damage you on the AB, and 2.25T if they want every hit to count.

[Chronus]

improve defense in some way

reducing the attack turns just makes growth way too slow

I am all for making random massings harder to do but not at the expense of slowing growth to an almost stand still

[Kaps1]

Raise the number of ATs! Who cares about being randomly massed, it wasn't impossible to rebuild with all those ATs around. Random massings wont stop, you'll see. If anything, the people in the massed alliances just wont be able to rebuild very quickly again.

At Apophis' point about being in the game so long. If you never had a single war in those 5 years, I'm sure your MS and army size would be incredibly impressive right now. Wars set you back.

New accounts that begin playing are focused purely on growth cos their competition is so far ahead of them when they start. Yeah, they can get the army size within 2 months and do some massing but how does that mean they've caught up to you?

Their ascended level is probably prophet, their MS will most definitely suck and their planets are probably all UP ones hence their not actually able to fight much without taking large losses.

It'll probably take a year or more before they can compete effectively. That's long enough. With this update, it'll take 3-4 years. The game wont be around that long. Without new accounts and mid sized accounts growing, the game will be dead this year

EXACTLY. New accts are dead! well said my dear!

[Brythalious]

mm, yeah not sure how to vote on that., I dont think def should be improved as sometimes its annoying enough to listen to the argument it is easier to defend, many wars have proven with the right tactics attacking can win out... The way it is in this game seems that we have the Russian approach through a gate....... The game has in many ways moved on from this single point, yet the attacker can only hope to have planets or a larger MS to batter them down, I dont think the attacks should change as dramatically as they have but they can be reduced so long as turn created ones stay as they are since newbies often need those more too.

As for the $$ player thing, well they are steadily creating enough of a gap anyway so whatever on that front, yes they support the game, fine glad about that, I have spent some money doing that too.

[Brythalious]

Ok, personally I think the planets also help in the random massings, using this to stop that or cut down on silly farming wont help, people who do this have large MS's and normally good planets stopping them from taking losses which make the farming more profitable, sure this will make turns more expensive and should cut down farming for silly amounts or some people massing for no reason other than "to make a name as a bad ass"

Also, erm, planets dont really make sense, seriously, so while people pour through my gate to attack my home world another planet is doing what? bombarding me, oh great, thanks! or what I toe a few planets with me to attack another world.

Hmm, planets of attack, def and coverts make more sense as MS type ships customisable or whatever to a single task, you make a fleet/ship and have to decide what it does, they you would be able to untrain it, reship it or whatever you wanna call it but for a tiny amount of the resources transfered over, you build a ship for a specific purpose, you have to chose,or you can only build certain numbers of certain things and planets too, I dunno, but as it stands reading them and the weapons makes no sense., What if you only trained soldiers and had to arm attack and def at the same time, maybe deciding how many to use to attack with leaving def to cover you, that might solve some issues people have with no one building in a war.

Anyway, I think that covered everything I spoke to Kaps about..... Maybe I made sense at some point there...... we can always hope

[~Solrayne~]

Improve defenses. Not really sure why it wasn't already done long ago.....

[Thora]

improve defense

reducing attack turns only helps the people who can afford to spend$$

[Gadget98]

i agree with my sister

improve defense

[Tekki]

Well if most people want improved defences, how do you do that?

The percentages have already been tweaked a lot.

Personally what I would do is the following but this applies only for ascended accounts:

1. Equalise the strength of attack and defence supers
2. Equalise the cost and strength of upgrades to attack and defence planets
3. Equalise the cost and strength of attack and defence weapons
4. Then look at the percentage death rates for attack and defence supers as well as the damage taken to each in attacks
5. come up wtih some way of killing strike supers without declaring blood realm
6. increase effectiveness of sab when there are no defence weapons.

Okay so some of these aren't directly related to attack/defence but they are necessary I think.

[Vertigo1]

and link strikes and defenses...

I actually like this idea, though I would rather have all stats linked in some way. As it is, it's pretty pointless to build a defense, when all it takes is for some slugger to come by with a massive strike to wipe it out in less than two minutes with minimal losses. There needs to be some kind of ratio set in place, so you can't have a stat over a given % without increasing something else.