Did The Jesuit Order Mastermind The Sinking Of The Titanic?

[[KMA]Avenger]

i'm currently reading a book called Vatican Assassins by Eric Jon Phelps, its a work of pure brilliance and genius.
i think the book took 20 years to write and is IMMENSELY well researched and a thoroughly eye opening experience. the author was 10 years old when JFK was assassinated and swore at that age that he would get to the bottom of the murder, what he discovered is that to understand the who and the why, he had to unearth a MASSIVE amount of history which has been completely omitted from teaching.

i cant go into any more detail about the book as there is a mind-numbing and truly staggering amount of information as well as being 730 pages long.

if anyone wants more info about the book and how to get a copy of it send me a PM.


below is an small exert from the book we can discuss.



Did The Jesuit Order Mastermind The Sinking Of The Titanic?

By Greg Szymanski


[spoiler]This was the 'maiden' voyage of the greatest ship ever built. The 'unsinkable' campaign assured passengers of comfortable safety. Many Irish, French and Italian Catholics were on board. Protestants from Belfast were also encouraged to immigrate to the United States on the Titanic. These were 'expendable' people; for the most part. But, the real reason for the ship's destruction was a game between the super rich whereby Guggenheim-Strauss-Astor could be eliminated. 'They had to be destroyed by a means so preposterous that no one would suspect they were murdered, and no one would suspect the Jesuits.'

The Captain of the Titanic was Edward Smith. He was a Jesuit and worked for J.P. Morgan. Anyone could be a Jesuit and their identity not be known. >From National Geographic 'The Secrets of the Titanic,' (1986):
When the ship departed southern England, on board was Francis Browne. He was the most powerful Jesuit in all of Ireland and the 'Jesuit Master of Edward Smith.' 'Here is Jesuit treachery at its finest. The provincial Father Francis Browne boards the Titanic, photographs the victims, most assuredly briefs the Captain concerning his oath as a Jesuit, and the following morning bids him farewell...' Eric J. Phelps, Vatican Assassins Halcon Unified Services. P. 247.
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Those richest of men, who opposed the Federal Reserve System, were killed along with the middle and lower classes. John Jacob Astor's wife was rescued. Molly Brown was also saved. The sinking of the Titanic was possibly the greatest disaster of the 20th Century outside of the World Wars. According to 'The Secret Terrorists,' the cause of this tragedy was the Jesuit Order of the Roman Catholic Church.

The unsinkable ship, the floating palace was created to be a tomb for the wealthy, who opposed the Federal Reserve System. On April 14th (the same date in history as the assassination of Abraham Lincoln) of 1912, the Titanic struck an iceberg and all opposition to the Federal Reserve was eliminated. In December of 1913, the Federal Reserve System came into being in the United States. Eight months later, the Jesuits had sufficient funding through the Federal Reserve Bank to begin World War I.' Notice the F.R.S. was established soon after the disaster of the Titanic.[/spoiler]



i simply cannot find the words to express just how good this book is!

[Juliette]

I'm glad you like it, G.
The premise is a bit too .. 'preposterous' to me, but I can understand how it appeals to your fascination with hidden history (or rather, theories regarding it).

I applaud the man. Anyone can write a story based on fact, but it takes a special kind of person to use regular fact and write a different story. Excellent show of how the same facts can be used to observe a completely different history.



Good stuff. Of course, whether or not it is valid is another matter entirely, I'm not usually a big fan of revisionist history.. but if one can write 730 pages of entertaining and captivating story using facts we could all find if we'd look for them, then hell yes, they deserve some recognition.

[[KMA]Avenger]

i'm not entirely convinced about the Titanic's demise, suffice to say this is not the first time i have come across this info. i heard something about this shortly after James Cameron's film Titanic, but i dismissed it out of hand as i had no idea who these people (the Jesuits) were. i've never heard of them before, we've all heard of the Illuminati, Freemasons and so on but never come across this body of men until a few months back.


anyways, the book is a complete expose on the Jesuit order and only a couple of pages are dedicated to the Titanic expose section of the book. its a truly astounding book, the section regarding both the US revolutionary war, French Revolutionary war and Napoleons roll in Jesuit history is...well, read it for yourselves

i'll leave you with these words:


"If ever there was a body of men who merited eternal damnation on earth and in hell, it is this Society of Loyola's. Nevertheless we are compelled by our system of religious toleration to offer them asylum."

-John Adams warning of the Jesuits to president Thomas Jefferson.


PS. the section regarding the dark ages is also eye-opening, especially the name of the period "dark ages", is not a reference to a period of time that was bloody, cruel and full of anarchy simply because Rome collapsed. its called the dark ages because the popes and the Vatican crushed education and took from the people the light of education...hence the term "dark ages", something i was never taught. the inquisition is still going on because how many people can you stop on the street who would know even this small bit of history?
how many people know that the Irish Catholics were waging the popes war against the protestant British?


to much info...brain is going into overload!!!

[spoiler]kabang!!!![/spoiler]

[RepliMagni]

KMA.....found another bit of bed-time reading?

My problem with this kind of book (I have not read this actual book), is that they only consider what is possible. They do not then go on to consider what is plausible, likely, or even probable.

For example (bit of a sidetrack here):
[spoiler]I could make a perfectly legitimate argument that recently disbanded members of the Knights Templar helped the Scots win the Battle of Bannockburn in 1314. Supposedly, according to some people, a group of white-clad knights stormed the field and turned the tide of the battle. Is it possible? Certainly: some Templars likely escaped to Scotland after their disbandment. But is it likely? Nope. If the English had been defeated by one of the best military forces of the times rather than a Scottish rag-tag army, they would certainly have publicised this widely.....not to mention that the Pope would likely have sanctioned a crusade for England to attack Scotland. So is it possible? Yes. But is it probable? Not really.[/spoiler]

You have to remember Occam's razor so you don't cut yourself KMA: "entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem"

Sometimes an iceberg really is just an iceberg


As for the Dark Ages....without the church preserving what they did, those years would have been a damn sight darker. Yes, in some ways the church held back learning, but they also promoted it in ways lay rulers had no interest in doing.

[[KMA]Avenger]

lol, all i can say mate, is, read the book for yourself.

[Kit-Fox]

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[[KMA]Avenger]

you cant have progress of any kind unless you have knowledge, IE, education...can you?

anyways, it has always been the intention of the Vatican to keep the masses ignorant and obedient to the church, its doctrines and especially the infallible white pope...

i always thought God was the only 1 deserving of the title infallible...seems the popes disagree with that view.

[Kit-Fox]

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[[KMA]Avenger]

the people weren't educated mate. it wasn't until Martin Luther nailed his 95 theses to a church door opening the peoples eyes along with the invention of first the moving type and then the printing press which put the bible into the peoples hands did they start to educate themselves.


as well as being in several books (including the one i'm currently reading), its also here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKsPb_pp ... re=related

[Kit-Fox]

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[[KMA]Avenger]

no mate, i'm not talking in conspiratorial terms here, and i'm not trying to argue with you. i find it an interesting subject to discuss, and i'm glad for the discussion.

[Legendary Apophis]

The church didnt fight those ideas that came from people that werent educated as it was simple for them to say 'this person is uneducated & doesnt know what they are saying'

They (the church) had to fight ideas because the people were educated

Indeed, heretics in XIIIth century were far from being uneducated people. It's what was pretended, to decrease the importance it had.
As Churchill said, history is written by winners. So the reality from heretism in XII-XIIIth centuries happens to be different to what we can see from church writings, which tend to be a great % of still remaining sources from back then. Not that people were much educated in general indeed...

[[KMA]Avenger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilhkXjVf ... re=channel


an interview with the author of the book Vatican Assassins.

i'm about half way through listening and i suggest you all have a listen and then decide if the book is worth reading and if it even half as good as i say it is.



PS.
the audio does have religious overtones and quotations, but that's not important, what's important is the quality and accuracy of the information. and keep in mind, it doesn't matter what anyone believes, it doesn't matter if your Jewish, atheist, Catholic, Christian, Muslim or Buddhist, it doesn't matter if your left wing or right or in the middle, it doesn't even matter if you believe any of it...its the information and your willingness to go and research the facts that counts!