Israel... what do you think?

[[KMA]Avenger]

guys guys guys...any chance we can get back on topic?


you know, the only sad thing about this section of the forum is the lack activity....slagging matches (regardless of our views, opinions and anything else) doesn't help.

[Hitchkok]

How very predicatable of you, use your interpretations including filling in the blanks with whatever you want (rather than what I said) & then attack.

How very jewish of you.

and...... the cat's out of the bag.
anti-semitism, again.
what a marvellousally valid argument

[Kit-Fox]

Hardly anti-semtic, but it is a well known observance that jewish people always twist the words of others and then re-present those words (with their twisted meanings) to the world as the original gospel truth when in fact it isnt. Or would you like to attempt to deny the israeli government funded internet activists (all of which have to be jewish to be part of the program) who join msg boards / irc room and other communications channels to disrupt and pervert the views of those who dont say 'israel, **Filtered** yeah' (ala team america)

anti-semtic would be hating for no other reason than your jewish, which I dont particularly care about. I have a problem with any group of people that do such things, just ask anyone who had been in this part of the forum for a while.

[Hitchkok]

Hardly anti-semtic, but it is a well known observance that jewish people always twist the words of others and then re-present those words (with their twisted meanings) to the world as the original gospel truth when in fact it isnt.

anti-semtic would be hating for no other reason than your jewish, which I dont particularly care about. I have a problem with any group of people that do such things, just ask anyone who had been in this part of the forum for a while.

no, anti semitism would be saying some thing along the lines of, say:
"it is a well known observance that jewish people always twist the words of others and then re-present those words (with their twisted meanings) to the world as the original gospel truth."

hmmmmm, now where have i heard that before?

EDIT: and, here's a free lesson in applied logic for you.
if Jews always twist facts,
and you hate everyone that twist facts,
you hate all jews, for being Jews.
now, someone wrote a while ago that "anti-semtic would be hating for no other reason than your jewish". can't remember who it was.
oh, and editting your posts after they where commented upon is NOT fact twisting, is it?

[Kit-Fox]

I'm sorry your gonna argue with UN reports about how Israel always re-interprets any media reports that dont end up saying 'israel, **Filtered** yeah' as being 'bomb israel' when clearly they arent.


No doubt I expect the UN is anti-semtic as well? Not to mention various well known country governments from the EU and the rest of the world? All of whom have said the same thing.

Its your own fault this perception has come about, by allowing yourselves to do this kind of behaviour

[Hitchkok]

I'm sorry your gonna argue with UN reports about how Israel always re-interprets any media reports that dont end up saying 'israel, **Filtered** yeah' as being 'bomb israel' when clearly they arent.

and, who is twisting words now?
do you have a Jewish ancestry by any chance?

[Kit-Fox]

Just commenting that its not just me that has come to that conclusion. So unless your gonna label the UN et all as anti-semtic for making the same comments you cant really say the same about me.

Besides anti-semtisim, much like racism describes an irrational hatred of people XYZ. As in a hatred that has no founding other than the people are simply different that usually leads to such people advocating total extermination of those who are different.

If you read you will notice that my problem with jewish people quite clearly has a rational & logical basis, you will also notice that I am not advocating total extermination of anyone. Therefore your agrument that I am anti-semtic is entirely with out merit.

EDIT: no editing posts isnt twisting words, its an EDIT. Thats the whole bloody point of having an edit button on the forum FFS! So you can edit to add in information or correct spelling mistakes etc where you think another post wouldnt be appropiate.

[Hitchkok]

Just commenting that its not just me that has come to that conclusion. So unless your gonna label the UN et all as anti-semtic for making the same comments you cant really say the same about me.

can you please find me the UN resolution that states:
"it is a well known observance that jewish people always twist the words of others and then re-present those words (with their twisted meanings) to the world as the original gospel truth." ???

If you read you will notice that my problem with jewish people quite clearly has a rational & logical basis, you will also notice that I am not advocating total extermination of anyone. Therefore your agrument that I am anti-semtic is entirely with out merit.

a rational and logical basis?????
i don't call "all Jews are liars" (and, please, tell me how can "it is a well known observance that jewish people always twist the words of others and then re-present those words (with their twisted meanings) to the world as the original gospel truth." be read differentlly) a logical and rational basis.

[Hitchkok]

EDIT: no editing posts isnt twisting words, its an EDIT. Thats the whole bloody point of having an edit button on the forum FFS! So you can edit to add in information or correct spelling imstakes etc where you think another post wouldnt be appropiate.

you do realise i wrote:
"and editting your posts after they where commented upon is NOT fact twisting, is it?", don't you?
either your reading comprehension lacks, or you're just a pot calling the kettle black.

[Kit-Fox]

It doesnt matter if the post has been commented on or not, it doesnt remove the edit function if you've commented on it & doesnt change the fact that the whole point of an edit function is to allow you to edit the post at *ANY* time!

If you've got a problem with the edit function take it up with the mods & admin, otherwise expect it to get used where users feel it is appropiate to use it!

EDIT: And not once have I used the edit function to twist the meanings of your words or to put words in your mouth!

[[KMA]Avenger]

i've seen allot of nasty things posted on SGW forums in my time here. i've seen all sorts of accusations and misunderstandings made, but i have never heard of any member of the forums being accused of using the edit feature to deliberately twist the words of another whilst engaged in intelligent conversation.

that's VERY low, and something we should not mention again methinks.

[Hitchkok]

i've seen allot of nasty things posted on SGW forums in my time here. i've seen all sorts of accusations and misunderstandings made, but i have never heard of any member of the forums being accused of using the edit feature to deliberately twist the words of another whilst engaged in intelligent conversation.

that's VERY low, and something we should not mention again methinks.

neither have you seen it here.
(EDIT: for one, you can hardly call that last page "an intelligent discussion")
what i said is that he used the edit function to make my reply irrelevent.
i.e. i replied to a certain post, which was edited later to have a different meaning.
and see for yourself, here's his original post, qouted in my post:

Hardly anti-semtic, but it is a well known observance that jewish people always twist the words of others and then re-present those words (with their twisted meanings) to the world as the original gospel truth when in fact it isnt.

anti-semtic would be hating for no other reason than your jewish, which I dont particularly care about. I have a problem with any group of people that do such things, just ask anyone who had been in this part of the forum for a while.

and here is the edited post, with the changes bolded

Hardly anti-semtic, but it is a well known observance that jewish people always twist the words of others and then re-present those words (with their twisted meanings) to the world as the original gospel truth when in fact it isnt. Or would you like to attempt to deny the israeli government funded internet activists (all of which have to be jewish to be part of the program) who join msg boards / irc room and other communications channels to disrupt and pervert the views of those who dont say 'israel, **Filtered** yeah' (ala team america)

anti-semtic would be hating for no other reason than your jewish, which I dont particularly care about. I have a problem with any group of people that do such things, just ask anyone who had been in this part of the forum for a while.

now, as you can see, there's a radical difference.
i call that editing posts (and, as you can see by the time stamps, my reply was made prior to the edit), to make replies irrelevent.

and all that aside, don't you think "it is a well known observance that jewish people always twist the words of others and then re-present those words (with their twisted meanings) to the world as the original gospel truth when in fact it isnt." is several degrees more sever of an accusation? not to mention illegal both on these forums and on most of the western world?
interesting you neglected to mention that.

as for the groups he mentions, i have no knowledge of such groups. i won't deny them, as i'm not 100% sure they don't exist, but to be frank, i doubt our government posseses the creativity and organization needed for such a project.

[Kit-Fox]

No one is stopping you from editing your point to make it relevant again except yourself. I should also point out that when I started that edit you post wasnt in the thread & so must have been done while I was in the edit window.

And theres no real difference between the original & the edit bar the further information to highlight my point, it doesnt change my point, it adds data to it.

Niceto see your still insinuating peoples intelligence isnt very high, how very typical of you when you get an argument you dont like.

And I'm not quite sure how you got that stating a point is illegal, especially one that several governments have stated in various reports?? I'm not saying people should go out & kill jews or anything like that so where the illegality comes into it i'm quite sure. Perhaps you'd like to clarify that.

[Hitchkok]

Niceto see your still insinuating peoples intelligence isnt very high, how very typical of you when you get an argument you dont like.

i didn't insinuate nothing of that sort.
i flat out said the the discussion itself (not the participants) isn't intelligent.
but hey, feel free to twist my words to your liking.

And I'm not quite sure how you got that stating a point is illegal, especially one that several governments have stated in various reports?? I'm not saying people should go out & kill jews or anything like that so where the illegality comes into it i'm quite sure. Perhaps you'd like to clarify that.

stating that: "it is a well known observance that jewish people always twist the words of others and then re-present those words (with their twisted meanings) to the world as the original gospel truth when in fact it isnt." is racism, and as such illegal. it is defamation and demonization, and as such, a hate crime. and as far as making a point or an argument goes, it is a very poor one. it is a blatant Ad-Populom fallacy, for one.
and again, will you please find me one government that stated that: "it is a well known observance that jewish people always twist the words of others and then re-present those words (with their twisted meanings) to the world as the original gospel truth when in fact it isnt.".
apart from the third reich, that is.

[Kit-Fox]

stating that: "it is a well known observance that jewish people always twist the words of others and then re-present those words (with their twisted meanings) to the world as the original gospel truth when in fact it isnt." is racism, and as such illegal. it is defamation and demonization, and as such, a hate crime. and as far as making a point or an argument goes, it is a very poor one. it is a blatant Ad-Populom fallacy, for one.
and again, will you please find me one government that stated that: "it is a well known observance that jewish people always twist the words of others and then re-present those words (with their twisted meanings) to the world as the original gospel truth when in fact it isnt.".
apart from the third reich, that is.

You continue I'm sure you will. However if you think i've commited a crime feel free to report it, good luck making it stick tho & once its being dismissed expect a counter suit

I'll even help you fill in the paperwork & as your a british citizen (so you say) you can take advantage of our really easy to abuse laws over defamation/slander/libel etc. Go for it!

But I can tell you right now it wont even make it to court