Deni's Bias

[semper]

Oh yes.. I once again feel the urge just to inform and give feedback to the admins and other mods of Deni's bias which has been handed yet another example.

This of course is not an attack on Deni herself (I wouldn't know where to start..) but rather just information for admin consideration as to clarify the redundancy of that shroud covering the ambiguity of Deni's honesty when modding.

1. bebita post's goodbye thread in SGW general. It's been common practise for years NOT to leave these threads in general for ANY length of time, but to move them straight to the forum specific for goodbye threads.

2. Deni replied ignoring it's position (I point out bebita is a member of DDE).

3. I point this out to Deni and point out her bias (leaving a member of her own empires thread where he wants it stands directly behind and directly supports all other claims of bias ima..)

4. Deni replies to me firstly with..

Cry me a river

She then edits this too..

Cry me a river

And instead of being a smartass how about clicking the little report button? The one in the lower right corner with the "!" mark on it?

I guess that is not public enough for you Mr Attention Seeker?

Is that the correct conduct for a mod under this administration? I though Jack was heavily ridiculed and ultimately fired for being rude to a forum user whilst modding/defending his modding (Deni of course in this case doing the latter).

4. I then pointed out how her reply was spam and also rude. I add that making an objective statement about Deni's modding behaviour (saying she's bias) isn't rude.. it's merely prudent as there was ample evidence and a mod, a global mod up for adminship no less, SHOULD know better. Claiming I am an attention seeker on the other hand is highly subjective as my actions could be interpreted in countless other ways (revelutionary, eccentric.. it goes on).

6. I finally add that also instead of cleaning bebita's thread and moving it to quitting she also left it. As too did Earendil.

As a closing question... I ask.. what is the point in having a quitting section if people we are allied with are simply allowed to ignore that rule?

doing my bit for the mod team and the community,

Love Semps.

Thread in question:
viewtopic.php?f=101&t=164601

[Byrnes]

I did notice this too.

[deni]

Actually Semper, if you were not a complete failure as a mod and would still have access to the reports, you would have seen that there is a report made to have the thread in question moved after a few hrs to the Quitting section.

If you have spared a look at the other similar threads that have been moved from General to Quitting you would probably have noticed that they were allowed a few hrs in General as well. But I guess that would have made your point mute, wouldn't it?



and FTR: I would come online to say good bye to a friend leaving the game, but I won't come online to move a topic while with a fever. Sue me for it.

[knight]

Is a few hours that big of a deal that you have to come here and complain?

I've got better things to do than to run around and see what is bothering you so much as a post in general that needs to be moved ASAP. Did the few hours really hurt you that much?

[Mordack]

Honestly, Semper, I think you're the one who should know better. As a long term user and a former moderator, you're well aware that the staff prefer people to make use of the 'report' function than post in threads. Regardless of whether Deni was right or wrong by publicly berating her in someone's leaving thread instead of using the proper channels you made it clear, yet again, that you are a troublemaker with an axe to grind.

[Clarkey]

haha Forum Issues.... my 2nd favourite forum section.

Now come on Semper, i'm disappointed in you. Try taking a leaf out of my own book, and leave the forums before it destroys you. i left, haven't been on since 1st March i think it was. You know what, it's done me wonders, don't think about this place except when a few chat to me on MSN.

Now Semps, I know you are passionate about these here forums, but there's passionate and then there's OTT. You know as well as i do that anyone that fights the forum team will epic fail, and i've experienced this from both sides.

Let this stupid grudge against Deni go. Just drop it. You won't be doing her a favour, you'd actually be doing yourself a favour.

i've benefited big time from leaving the forums. I am grudge free. I don't care what people do around here anymore, I had my time, I shone, I crumbled, I now laugh. i used to have, well let's say, maybe a teeeeeeny weeeeny inccccccy wiiiiincccyyy grudge (or issue) with people like Tetrismonkey, Jack, Earendil, Buck to name a few... but now, that's all gone! haha it's gone! And I feel so much better for it.

So Semps, do yourself a BIG favour, change the record, and move on, whether you leave the forums or not. But honestly leaving is the answer it really is. I was just as passionate about the forums, but that passionate took me too far and It became clouded and took me in the wrong direction.

Let it go mate, let it go!


P.S....... hi.

[semper]

OMG... SOOOOOOOOOOO forgot about this thread.

@ Deni. Insulting again? As for the moving times.. give me 3+ examples if you so sure of your conviction. If threads have stayed there it's only because a mod hasn't seen them. Using the report feature.. why bother? You're a GM.. it's like five clicks to move a thread.

@ Knight. Principle and bordom mate, they both do crazy things to a person.

@ Mordack. I have never, ever used the report function because as has been seen in the past (most recent example being with Clarkey's issue and Solus, or Tropic Thunder) the reports are far too easy to ignore with the people who matter (the community) being left in the dark as to a rule breach. Nice try though Greggles.

@ Clarkey. I am waiting to sell my account and you know me.. never could resist an argument. Hopefully should be gone this week. *fingers crossed*. Deni is wrong, she's an awful mod, she's incredibly bias as has been shown many times before... but she's at the top of DDE so one or more admins are always either allied with or scared of the power that she wields ingame and so will not fire her. Why else would she continually have to be defending her integrity here? We're not all imagining it. It just takes one set of intelligent admins with no stake in the game and she'd be out of here.

It's also.. not like I didn't try being nice.. but the moment I did I got stabbed in the back.. so what the hell eh? Everyone else is being an ass why not me too.

[Juliette]

OMG... SOOOOOOOOOOO forgot about this thread.

It's a bloody shame you remembered it, too.

@ Deni. Insulting again? As for the moving times.. give me 3+ examples if you so sure of your conviction. If threads have stayed there it's only because a mod hasn't seen them. Using the report feature.. why bother? You're a GM.. it's like five clicks to move a thread.

Sweetheart, you're the accusing party. The burden of 'proof' is on you. Not Deni.

@ Knight. Principle and bordom mate, they both do crazy things to a person.

More boredom than principle, judging from your choice of alleviation.

@ Mordack. I have never, ever used the report function

Regardless of your reasons not to ever use that function, having no experience with the function defies your claim of adequate understanding.

because as has been seen in the past (most recent example being with Clarkey's issue and Solus, or Tropic Thunder)

That was what, a month ago? Once a month, 12 times a year, given some hundred thousand posts a year.. a score of under a tenth of a percent. I can imagine that being a major issue.

the reports are far too easy to ignore with the people who matter (the community) being left in the dark as to a rule breach.

Being able to report posts is a favour, bestowed upon you, the user. No individual moderator is under any obligation to handle your report, or to inform you of the consequences it may or may not have had. That is a courtesy you will occasionally receive.

So far we have:
- A non representative issue (twelve times on one hundred thousand possible)
- A non representative complainant (lack of experience and understanding)
- An unfounded demand of transparency

Sounds like a really solid case so far, Shaun. Really. Astounding.

Deni is wrong, she's an awful mod, she's incredibly bias as has been shown many times before... but she's at the top of DDE so one or more admins are always either allied with or scared of the power that she wields ingame and so will not fire her.

Wow wow wow.. cool your jets, tiger. That is a string of baseless words that don't really connect.
So Deni is wrong, an awful mod, and incredibly biased, according to you. What is she wrong about? Disregarding your rather dull and uninspired complaint? Why would she care? You have said yourself, your argument is based on principle and boredom. In other words, you were 'inspired' to complain because it would alleviate your boredom and oh, well.. this particular item just came back on your radar. What a motivation! And you want this complaint to be taken seriously? If the complain were any better as your motivation for it, it might just be.
'An awful mod'. Compared to whom? You? The mythical 'standard'? If Deni's bosses believe she's good enough, who are you to argue she's not? As I recall, she's far your senior in experience.
Biased.. oh yes.. the cheapest shot of all. Heh, you want to talk about the humanity of moderators? Would you appreciate an AI to moderate these boards? Oh, that's right.. we don't have one of those readily available. So you know what, we'll make do with humans. True, there may be hundreds of better people around on these boards who would make amazing moderators. Either they lack the motivation to do something, they don't care enough, or .. they just aren't cut out for it. Some people have the chance to prove themselves, and wind up back in the gutter.

Why else would she continually have to be defending her integrity here? We're not all imagining it. It just takes one set of intelligent admins with no stake in the game and she'd be out of here.

*grin* No indeed, we're not all imagining it. You are.
/argument - [tbc] (I suppose..)


ps. 2 out of 3 admins have 'no' ingame affiliation, or are of minor consequence ingame. 3 out of 3 admins have a good intelligence. Perhaps not comparable to yours, but hey, would you and that massive brain of yours make as good an admin as you did a GM? (Okay, lame.. I know, but I owed you a cheap shot back, didn't I?)
pps. Good luck with the account sale. Hope you get some good £ for it.
ppps. *heart*

[Jack]

@ Deni. Insulting again?

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It's also.. not like I didn't try being nice.. but the moment I did I got stabbed in the back.. so what the hell eh? Everyone else is being an ass why not me too.

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Anyway, hate to break it to ya, Semper, but Deni did nothing wrong.

1. Quitting threads are routinely left in General for a while before being relegated to a quieter section of the forums.
2. Mods are under no obligation to mod everything they see.
3. Most, if not all mods, do not mod everything they see and leave some things for other mods for various reasons. You, yourself, have done this in the past.
4. Deni's reason for not modding the thread was more than adequate, she was sick.
5. I think it's quite clear by now that you're only concern here is a personal grudge against Deni.

[MajorLeeHurts]

Aside from verbally beating the crap out of each other, which is a popular thing to do around these parts between mods admins and contributing committed users.

There is an opportunity to be productive here ...

Even tho my opinion means nothing to you people

I will ask out of my own professional curiosity and courtesy and because this is a common complaint regarding a specific General Mod.

What has the Admin team done in the past and what do you plan to do in the future to address this kind of alleged verbal abuse of the users by any member of the Mod team.

[Juliette]

I will ask out of my own professional curiosity and courtesy and because this is a common complaint regarding a specific General Mod.

No, it's not. There are two, three people who feel personally maligned by this mod and a bunch of followers of these supposedly maligned people. These 'complaints' are comparable to demonstrations in cities. Forty nine out of fifty people are unable to express what they are protesting. Says something about the .. *cough* .. relevance of said complaints.

What has the Admin team done in the past and what do you plan to do in the future to address this kind of alleged verbal abuse of the users by any member of the Mod team.

It's just that. Alleged. The **Filtered** cannot come up with viable, representative, strong and irrefutable evidence to support their cause. 'Evidence' presented includes proof of the insignificance of some complaints, the pettiness of some of the complainants, and a distinct lack of respect for authority that is the core and only reason for protesting the order of things.


*grin* Again. Come Major, you know all this.

[MajorLeeHurts]

I will ask out of my own professional curiosity and courtesy and because this is a common complaint regarding a specific General Mod.

No, it's not. There are two, three people who feel personally maligned by this mod and a bunch of followers of these supposedly maligned people. These 'complaints' are comparable to demonstrations in cities. Forty nine out of fifty people are unable to express what they are protesting. Says something about the .. *cough* .. relevance of said complaints.

Personalization paranoia and projection does not equal productivity.

What has the Admin team done in the past and what do you plan to do in the future to address this kind of alleged verbal abuse of the users by any member of the Mod team.

Still not answered ...

It's just that. Alleged. The **Filtered** cannot come up with viable, representative, strong and irrefutable evidence to support their cause. 'Evidence' presented includes proof of the insignificance of some complaints, the pettiness of some of the complainants, and a distinct lack of respect for authority that is the core and only reason for protesting the order of things.

*grin* Again. Come Major, you know all this.

The above does not nullify or ill legitimize the fact that a complaint was made, regardless of how you feel about the complaintant .

I would point out the personal insult filtered in the above reply as offensive unnecessary and unproductive.

[Juliette]

Personalization paranoia and projection does not equal productivity.

Empty one-liner doesn't either.

What has the Admin team done in the past and what do you plan to do in the future to address this kind of alleged verbal abuse of the users by any member of the Mod team.

Still not answered ...

Your question lacks merit and doesn't warrant an answer. *sigh* Your personal interest in the matter.. keep it out of this discussion. We all know how you feel about Deni, there is no need to parade your feelings around so publically. "Does not equal productivity," to quote a great writer.

It's just that. Alleged. The **Filtered** cannot come up with viable, representative, strong and irrefutable evidence to support their cause. 'Evidence' presented includes proof of the insignificance of some complaints, the pettiness of some of the complainants, and a distinct lack of respect for authority that is the core and only reason for protesting the order of things.

The above does not nullify or ill legitimize the fact that a complaint was made, regardless of how you feel about the complaintant .

Yes, it does. Lack of argument equals worthless contribution to discussion. Not productive.

I would point out the personal insult filtered in the above reply as offensive unnecessary and unproductive.

Personal insult? I'm sorry if you feel offended, but your sentiments are irrelevant. Facts. Produce them. Equals productivity.



Discussion so far, worthless, petty and unprofessional. Step up, this could be a fun debate if you'd even bother to find factual fault in our so far flawless friends, instead of hopping on bandwagons of personal sentiments, desperate dramatizations of dolour due to fantastic illusions of disorderly conduct by the established authority's most loyal servants.

[MajorLeeHurts]

You have successfully railed this conversation off topic and nobody here has addressed the initial complaint off mod abuse.

Although a very wordy attempt and successful at times to intimidate users into not complaining not necessarily going to work on me. Save it for someone who has the time for defensive babble.

Furthermore you have no right to nor knowledge of in which to imply in regards to my feelings towards Deni.

A user filed a complaint

The same user is then publicly humiliated and insulted by those who one would complain to.

A question regarding policy not answered.

and because I dont agree with you .. you intend to badger and abuse me ?

[Juliette]

Off-topic? It's not. Deni's bias. You're talking about it (or well, you did until you started saying I went off-topic), I'm talking about it.

and because I dont agree with you .. you intend to badger and abuse me ?

Oh whoops, I'm sorry to have .. offended you? Should I wait until someone posts who does care to back up their assaults instead? What, you think people should be able to file random and unsubstantiated complaints? Oh well, whatever floats your boat.



Just doesn't say much for a complaint if no one is around to back it up. But hey, whatever.. I'm sure someone will come and deliver us from this horrible dilemma.. someday.
The initial complaint is, so far, invalid. It bears no relation to the facts. You know this, I know this. What's there to talk about?