A suggestion to reduce cheating!!!

[Geoff]

ok, i think most ppl hate cheaters. The most obvious way to cheat is to have multiple accounts with a decent uni pro, buy ss on the market and then every so often transfer units across to your main account (and i'm sure a lot of ppl would use a different computer to do it). Now i get sick of sein ppl with stats that look something like: 0 attack, 0 def, a uni pro of 1k and an army size of 400. If these accounts aren't bein used to transfer uu, then how do they get stats like this? But as i've seen in the cheaters thread it is hard to prove it, so this suggestion only takes into consideration the accounts that are bein misused!

My suggestion is this: any account that is vertually inactive and sendin uu to other accounts should be deleted - no questions asked(as well as the uu they sent). Now i'm sure ppl have friends that started playin and weren't interested and maybe periodically log on to send resources to help their friend, but as far as i'm concerned this is the same sort of thing and these accounts should also be deleted (and the uu they sent) cause this is still vertually bein a multi and not really fair on those that actually play the game properly. (i'm not suggesting that the recipiant account be deleted! unless of course it could be proven that they did cheat)

Another scenario could be that someone is givin a more powerful player uu in exchange for naq, well this is easily checked because there would be resources goin back and forth from both accounts and both accounts should be building.

All i'm suggesting is that THE ACCOUNTS THAT EXIST PURELY FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING RESOURCES TO ANOTHER ACCOUNT BE REMOVED!!! Then this removes the burden of tryin to proove that someone is a cheat (esp if they use diff computers with diff ip's) and just removes their method of cheating. Sure under this ppl could still multi by building 2 accounts, but at least its a lot harder!
As their are methods in place to stop ppl transfering from the same ip, i'm sure it'd be possible to have scripts to check for stuff like this.

[[SGC_ReplicÅtors]]

there is no silver bullet that will stop cheating alltogether and leave the innocent untouched....brb i think i got another idea that i am working on and i think u might have provide me with the suggestion i need...thx

...idk if this idea has been suggested before

[Geoff]

Yeah i know it'd be next to impossible to wipe it out altogether without hurtin the innocent... but if this has helped u come up with a better idea then i'm glad

[Wolf359]

Don't you think this hasn't already been suggested? And don't you think this doesn't already happen to a degree?

The problem arises when somebody goes to logon and finds their account deleted due to being inactive or having been 'deemed' a multi - which in fact isn't.

There are some legitimate players whose sole purpose (at times) is to act as a naq machine to produce naq for other members of their alliance - this isn't cheating - so where do you draw the line?

[RepliMagni]

There are some legitimate players whose sole purpose (at times) is to act as a naq machine to produce naq for other members of their alliance - this isn't cheating - so where do you draw the line?

Only reason my QWars account exists.

I went away for a month on holiday leaving my account to get UU and Turns for when I got back.....so should my account have been deleted already?

[Geoff]

Don't you think this hasn't already been suggested? And don't you think this doesn't already happen to a degree?

The problem arises when somebody goes to logon and finds their account deleted due to being inactive or having been 'deemed' a multi - which in fact isn't.

There are some legitimate players whose sole purpose (at times) is to act as a naq machine to produce naq for other members of their alliance - this isn't cheating - so where do you draw the line?

1. I haven't seen this exact suggestion

2. My suggestion ONLY relates to accounts where uu is being transferred out of the account to another account, now are you tellin me that it's possible for someone to transfer uu when they aren't using their account?

3. i assume you mean that someone is like a "caretaker" of someone else's uu and gives them naq in return? well as i think i explained in my original post then they would also be recieving naq which they would use to boost their stats (basically in that case their will be trades goin BOTH ways)
I'm talkin primarily uu trades that only go 1 way from accounts that are clearly not building stats.

For example, i recently noticed that 1 of my officers: http://www.stargatewars.com/stats.php?id=38515, has vertually 0 stats and their army size regularly goes down, now i can't prove that this is in fact a multi (even though it's obvious) and i certainly don't know which account that it is goin to, yet it is clear that it is happenin, all i'm sayin is that this sort of thing should be stopped!

[cinder__393]

tho i hate the idea of ppls useing other dead acounts to transfer to one... and boost it ... i must confess i do cross server trades to ppls who are basicly inactive on quantum they do log on and start playing but end up beeing massed as soon as they have any stats or havnt got the time to keep up that acount with real life stuff....

and as for stuff only being transfered one way there is no reall problem because it was put in the give function... playes have the option to "give" there resorces to any one even if they arnt to active (as long as it dosnt break the rule about one person haveing 2 acounts)... and there is no rule in boosting a acount toget help later when they are able to play...

now as for inocents getting caught up in this... i know a few of the aliances use a BANK player(by that i mean some one who has only one acount but they bank the naq for every one because the men are in that one acount)... some one who is on more then the rest holding all the men makeing the naq and distributeing it farely amungst ppls .. but this isnt breaking the rules and some ppls would keep toping up the men limit in this bank player

there is pritty way one way to cath those ppls and that is to have the same ip more then once (because once could be a coincidenct)

ill put in point form
1 cross server trades could be the reason they have no men
2 the give button is there to give away stuff for ss players
3 there would be inocent bankplayes loseing there acounts and the aliances men
4 it would be hard to prove that the same person accessed both acounts ig they affectively use 2 pc's
5 there could be other aragements these ppls have made... because not all trads can only be with quantum and main server

all tho i like the idea of stoping ppls from doing it it would be way to hard to impliment tho some how im sure that admin might think of a way ....
tho the button dose say GIVE if im not mistaken

[Serenity]

what you really have to understand is that lower rank players sell their UU on the market for naq to upgrade their Unit Production.

so this gives every single one of them a perfect reason for why they should have no stats. i am a high level player... so i trade naq for men not the other way around, tho i have read many threads that lower level players depend on their UP as their Income, so why would you need any stats other then UP to help you in this department

im sure all our collective brains could come up with a way to find a unique way to get cheaters without getting any innocents

and about the deleting the accounts - i started playing at the start - then i stopped playing to concentrate on school, came back and my account was gone... so i had to start a new one, and then i was pretty peeved, so random deleting is not going to help

[Wolf359]

Don't you think this hasn't already been suggested? And don't you think this doesn't already happen to a degree?

The problem arises when somebody goes to logon and finds their account deleted due to being inactive or having been 'deemed' a multi - which in fact isn't.

There are some legitimate players whose sole purpose (at times) is to act as a naq machine to produce naq for other members of their alliance - this isn't cheating - so where do you draw the line?

1. I haven't seen this exact suggestion

2. My suggestion ONLY relates to accounts where uu is being transferred out of the account to another account, now are you tellin me that it's possible for someone to transfer uu when they aren't using their account?

3. i assume you mean that someone is like a "caretaker" of someone else's uu and gives them naq in return? well as i think i explained in my original post then they would also be recieving naq which they would use to boost their stats (basically in that case their will be trades goin BOTH ways)
I'm talkin primarily uu trades that only go 1 way from accounts that are clearly not building stats.

For example, i recently noticed that 1 of my officers: http://www.stargatewars.com/stats.php?id=38515, has vertually 0 stats and their army size regularly goes down, now i can't prove that this is in fact a multi (even though it's obvious) and i certainly don't know which account that it is goin to, yet it is clear that it is happenin, all i'm sayin is that this sort of thing should be stopped!

Yes - suggestions like this have been made before.

And, it is not unheard of for someone who has an account with a high UP to use the account (at times) solely to produce UU for his/her alliance or officers. The point I am making is that it is actually very difficult to prove whether someone is cheating or not - and oing from your orginal post - you are saying that we make an assumption that someone is cheating and delete their account ('any account that is vertually inactive and sendin uu to other accounts should be deleted - no questions asked(as well as the uu they sent').

Unfortunately 'assume' usually ends up making an 'ass' of 'u' and 'me'
(see ehat I did there, breaking down 'assume' into 'ass', 'u' and 'me'? - well, i thought it was clever!) - and we would find that we had deleted some legitimate accounts - I know that some people within alliances do this sort of thing.

You also said this: 'Now i'm sure ppl have friends that started playin and weren't interested and maybe periodically log on to send resources to help their friend, but as far as i'm concerned this is the same sort of thing and these accounts should also be deleted (and the uu they sent) cause this is still vertually bein a multi and not really fair on those that actually play the game properly.'......

Now - while I agree with you that it is hardly fair - it isn't technically cheating as it is a separate individual logging into a separate account and transferring UU/naq/whatever to another account.

Additionally - it is not possible to send resources between accounts at the same location - you get a message saying it isn't possible. I'm not sure how that works exactly - whether it logs the accounts initial IP (i.e. when the account was first opened) or the last IP the account used (anyone know?).

I suppose you could use a PC at different locations to create multiple accounts - but if you can really be bothered to cheat in that way then you really are a sad muppet!

Ultimately, I am trying to demonstrate to you that everything is not clear cut black and white and that some of the situations you say should have the account deleted automatically can, in fact, be used legitimately.

[Stricken]

what you really have to understand is that lower rank players sell their UU on the market for naq to upgrade their Unit Production.

so this gives every single one of them a perfect reason for why they should have no stats. i am a high level player... so i trade naq for men not the other way around, tho i have read many threads that lower level players depend on their UP as their Income, so why would you need any stats other then UP to help you in this department

im sure all our collective brains could come up with a way to find a unique way to get cheaters without getting any innocents

and about the deleting the accounts - i started playing at the start - then i stopped playing to concentrate on school, came back and my account was gone... so i had to start a new one, and then i was pretty peeved, so random deleting is not going to help

thats exactly what i did, i traded in my uu for turns and with my pathetic strike of like 1.5 mil at the time i just farmed till i got my up to 2200 then i started to build a defence up, i wouldn't have been able to get 1.5bil def in just over 2 months without the market, now i don't really need the market as much to buy turns i just use naq to buy men to make more naq

[Kirklandkie]

the concept is noble but as proven easier said then done. steps taken to remove cheaters mainly seem to slow them down only temporarally. the best way to stop cheating is to not cheat. i dont know how else to phrase it. it happens all of the time it seems

-kirk

[Huxley]

This has been suggested so many times, this cannot be prevented, people may go on holiday then when they get back there account has been deleted/banned, when they are inocent

[[SGC_ReplicÅtors]]

will there is always the alternative....

1 Account : 1 IP

i no this isnt going to happened but with this cheating will be reduced to half...and thats too bad if other family members also play the game...blame the cheaters for ruining the game but its getting way way way out of hand now