hypocrisy of Roman Catholicism...true doctrine vs false....

[Juliette]

You do realise that the very definition of racism disallows for it to be applied to churches, religions, anything except ethnic groups right?
Last time I checked the RC Church, or any church for that matter, isn't an ethnic group. Racism is an inapplicable term.

Not to mention that thoughts on the matter are not necessarily attacks, regardless of how easily offended any group may be.

[LegendaryA]

Or what do you think of Muslim faith Buddhists why not go for all faiths instead of the one

There's a thread or two about fundamentalism within Islam, started by me...so it's not like Christians are scapegoated like they tend to be often...

Racism against religion it's impssible. It's anti clericalism (english correct?), anti-religion, etc..
But racism is a version of xenophobia directed towards a different kind of ethny, often of different skin than yours. Xenophobia is generic term for hostility between people of different regions/countries but couldn't be considered always as racists.
Example: hate from flemish towards wallonian people in Belgium is xenophobia, even though both are part of same country .

[Mister Sandman]

Don't shoot his opinion down if he doesnt know his terms down pat.

RC Church is not a 'Christian' Church. Lets clear that up. They are the Roman Catholic Church in the name. They are a sect. However, it does not rule out that RC's cannot be Christian.


CCC raises a good point. Which is: If you look at any 'formalised religion' there are some 'sects' or 'branches' that do not adhear to the 'common base doctrine'.

Oh and that is common sense, different interpretations lead to different beliefs. Which leads to different views on well everything.

Take for example atheism. It is a religion, now some believe in string theory others believe in the big bang others believe in xyz

[LegendaryA]

God made the big bang happen.
That's what I think.

[[KMA]Avenger]

[Juliette]

Oh my, I see the lot of you are still stuck in the paradigm that science and religion share any common ground beside both being of human origins.
I will withdraw from this argument until you have resolved your issues.

Maybe afterward we can have ourselves a debate. Would be lovely.

[[KMA]Avenger]

i couldn't agree more...however, this buffoon has been here (here=this part of the forum) all of 1 day and presumes to know and judge me, and then presumes that gives him the right to insult me?!


I THINK NOT!!!

[Kit-Fox]

i couldn't agree more...however, this buffoon has been here (here=this part of the forum) all of 1 day and presumes to know and judge me, and then presumes that gives him the right to insult me?!


I THINK NOT!!!

Chill out KMA, no need to lose your rag over the opinion of just one person who it would seem has failed to grasp the idea of the section & the topic in question.

Take a deep breath, relax & go outside for 10 mins, get away from the screen

[[KMA]Avenger]

i've got a rather large lump of pork i need cut up

i'll take your advice and chill out






































i'll try and not to spoil the pork while i chill out lol

[EbilCC]

well if you know me you would find the very definition of me is to annoy people . yes i did not know the term at least proper to use

the fact is simple if i attacked the church leadership of any group and i was a leader of a country there would be up in uproar IE IRAN and Israel.

Do i agree with everything the church in question does or believes? No. Do i good intentionally at the start try to have a debate of points which are all valid but then add my own views that detracts from the message no.
By all means argue the points I'm sure theres other forums more suited to the topic but i encourage you to start a group on facebook build a website and your "free speech" can be followed the main issue i raised at first this wasnt the place for such a debate and you immediatly attacked me for saying so as you said there was no potential for explosion I just decided to prove that point wrong and i think i have. I will even join your group if its called reform the catholic church hell i may even make a facebook group myself on that matter because i don't agree with it all the time but after your points at the start of your arguments for falsehood you gave your personal feelings which took away from the whole issue of which i would have supported the topic in the first place for reform not only of RCC but of all teachings

You did not need the own feeling of hatred was what insulted me as I live in the north of ireland were hate talk has caused the death of people lives for centuries and still does cause death and pain and bombs 18 of which have gone of this year alone because of basic religion differences built up since England took over Ireland that is why i took grave offense to the add on of your own views people are still dying were I am over these things were I am as last year a bomb was left outside of were I study university in the carpark which either was defused or failed to explode i think it failed to explode first then was made safe my own university is small as its a specialized one no more than 1000 students or a little more so instead of a big university multiple entrances a bomb exploding may not inflict as much death as targeting a small compressed one were people will be closer together sigh and i could get you a picture to show how much damage it would have caused as car park small and buildings right beside it and I had walked past it that day in particular a few times

for those who dont know this is going on when i tell you here now today in the coming months there will be a large loss of life in ireland people have died from guns and severly injured in mines under cars all because of religion and hatred misundertanding between Christians past year almost 4000 perhaps higher dead tens of thousands maimed and disfigured in total in the modern era all over intolerance of some Christians to others and same has happened world over with Iran Likely going to be at war with its neighbors over religion were simple things can steamroll

lastly on that point it was a religious denomination university why it was targeted more than likely by atheist/other christian denominations as there is still a divide here

the topic while you can think what you think and i Applaud you for being honest as yes the bible isn't taught proper by any formal organized religion as people should be educated to form there own opinion to try and read and understand it themselves not preached it as you know what people will get the wrong meaning and pass it on which is wrong or create a society of stuck up people who look down on others as does happen

all Churchs have faults but churches all over the world help the poor with food teaching them how to build homes schools

in debating your question the RCC is not perfect the things you refer to is yes they have made alot of mistakes that have hurt people and those people have to answer for that but still does not resolve the hatred you feel to it. disagree with it by all means do so I disagree with some things religion should be meant as a guide to help you find your own enlightenment which has happened to me and doesn't fit with some teachings of my own faith and have actually debated those teachers of faith in debate the reason I did not start with you was you as i said insulted me first and thought it couldn't go downhill into a mess and i showed you it could and I withdraw the anti clerical thing now my points of going downhill have been made and we can create a group on facebook about reforming all churchs or since you done beleive in faith i will do that you can create destroy all church

[[KMA]Avenger]

as you said there was no potential for explosion I just decided to prove that point wrong and i think i have.

actually, what pissed me off is the fact you came into the topic with the opinion that people will get upset, and then you insulted me personally. i see now you deliberately set out to piss me off thereby proving your point....a bit self serving isnt it?

I will even join your group if its called reform the catholic church hell

how can you reform something that is inherently evil? i'm talking about popary, the vatican as well as Roman Catholicism, not the catholic people.



watch this if you have the stomach for it. it directly relates to Irish Priests:

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=2iT6-KC ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=Si5uqk5 ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=qwJMNH8 ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=cfTVAdg ... re=related


some interestingly titled youtube films:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... phile&aq=f


i have done my research on Roman Catholicism and the Vatican in particular. the question is, have you?

You did not need the own feeling of hatred was what insulted me as I live in the north of ireland were hate talk has caused the death of people lives for centuries and still does cause death and pain and bombs 18 of which have gone of this year alone because of basic religion differences built up since England took over Ireland that is why i took grave offence to the add on of your own views people are still dying were I am over these things were I am as last year a bomb was left outside of were I study university in the carpark which either was defused or failed to explode i think it failed to explode first then was made safe my own univeristy is small as its a specilised one no more than 1000 students or a little more so instead of a big univeristy multiple entrances a bomb exploding may not inflict as much death as targeting a small compressed one were people will be closer together sigh and i could get you a picture to show how much damage it would have caused as car park small and buildings right beside it and I had walked past it that day in particular a few times

i come from Cyprus, don't tell me about devide and hatred!

now, if i was you i would look at who started the conflict in Ireland and why protestant England invaded...i can tell you now, its not the Irish and its not the English that are to blame for Ireland's problems.

[EbilCC]

sighs well yes i think i have done my research because I'm irish and have studied films such as the Magdalene sisters for my course and I am well versed in religion and to say an institution is full of hate is just tarnishing people same brush there may indeed be evil people in any place but not all are evil

as i said you insulted me personally before I even said a thing directed to you

I also know history so tell me englands empire came about why? little off topic but them invading Ireland wasn't isolated was it. they moved along africa and america in there time so hmmmm

n the modern era is englands fault because they caused a plantation of english settlers which layed the groundwork for the religious divide of the modern era as protestants wish to stay british and fight for it and Catholics wish to be in a united ireland and fought for it

[EbilCC]

[quote="[KMA]Avenger"]doctrine introduced by the Popes and the Vatican.

pray only to the creator. John 14-13. prayers to Mary and the saints introduced in the year 600.

agree on

call no man father. Matthew 23-9. the pope is called The Holy Father introduced in the year 610.

agree on

don't worship men. acts 10-26. kissing of the popes feet introduced in the year 709.

not just a church problem people worship sports men actors etc and this i think if i recall reflects a apostle kissing jesus feet my heads wonky i have to look this up as i said sumwere else here the pope is meant to be decendant of jesus so hence why that ritual may be in place

leaders of the church must be married 1st Timothy 2-5. celibacy imposed in the year of 1079.

the church got rid of this because women were ripping the church of by declaring homes for priests they now owned after there death rightly or wrongly this is why it happened

no pray repeating. Matthew 6-7. The Rosary introduced in the year 1090.

Very short does this expand the sentence i cant look at my bible as all stuff packed up for builders doing crap at my house
and last but by no means least:

only the creator is infallible. Matthew 19-17. papal infallibility introduced in 1870.

the pope is meant to be a direct descendant of jesus in the teaching sense and since jesus was by christians infallible as he spoke the word of god it was superimposed rightly or wrongly onto him

there's is MUCH more than that short list above (such as preaching poverty while being the richest corporation and land owner on the planet), but its enough to prove that there is NOTHING holy about either the Vatican or the popes.

i will find lecture slides if you wish showing 200 people run the world economy if you like it maybe largest land owner it preseves and restores art and as jesus said not direct quotes so forgive me

A) the kingdom of heaven is found inside you meaning you can find peace alone in his teachings which i advocated
B) jesus said along the lines of his church shouldn't be defined by four walls but among the people who wish to gain enlightenment salvation etc so i also agree with that but all buildings of all faiths are wrong then

about poverty look up trocaires good works fighting that regardless of what you think the church does try to help the 3rd world regardless of its pasts mistakes

[[KMA]Avenger]

ok, time to forget EVERYTHING you was taught at school, time to forget the mainstream history books and go and study the role that the Vatican has played in the English/Irish conflict. go and find out who the Jesuits are...and for goodness sake, learn to distinguish between the "institution" and the "congregation", and in case it still escapes you, my attack (if thats what you want to call it) is directed at the institution and NOT (for the last time) at the people who make up the flock.



well, i just tried to post the above but i see you posted ahead of me, so in response to your last post...i see your to brainwashed to go and do any research and see just how wrong RC is.


goodbye.

[EbilCC]

do you mean the fact the pope sent troops to william of orange to defeat a catholic king i know that

read what i posted on your actual problems with the church i agreed on 99 percent of what you said but explained why they were the way they were if u understand me rightly or wrongly and i have debated these issues with religious leaders today and made them stop and think to what i said