BETA UPDATES 2010

[Lithium]

lol Science will be flooded by AG's

[MaxSterling]

I seriously can't believe he's putting in this stupid house bonus crap...
This could be the one that kills the game for good. Unfortunately he listens to the one or two idiots that
want them at the admin meets and ignores the rest of us...

[Sarevok]

lol Science will be flooded by AG's

And will still be disadvantaged by about 15%

I seriously can't believe he's putting in this stupid house bonus crap...
This could be the one that kills the game for good. Unfortunately he listens to the one or two idiots that
want them at the admin meets and ignores the rest of us...

I've never seen anyone at the admin meet fully support the idea.

[Brdavs]

Basically, if we make it fair for everyone (everyone gets a bonus), then don't bother with the bonus, cause everyone gets it. Like techs, everyone buys the techs, so why not remove them really.

I'm actually ok with the bonuses. Its how there given that i'd like changed. Rather then just a flat out bonus, deduct from other areas, and use that to boost the preferred area. Make your attack weaker, so you can have a stronger defence, for example

But he IS putting in bonuses, apparently. Time to think about how to make do with the situation at hand, no?

And whereas techs do the same thing for everyone, these bonuses are different based on different choice.

I still dont see where you make the mental jump from "I dont want bonuses at all" to "keep the kick option hordable bonuses".

If the bonuses are universally attainable they cancel out. If they`re not, they have an actual effect on things.

[Sarevok]

I still dont see where you make the mental jump from "I dont want bonuses at all" to "keep the kick option hordable bonuses".

Because I'm not making that jump. The jump i'm giong for, is being able to re-customise your realm power, rather then just out and out bonuses yet again

[Lithium]

somehow this update qill kill the small medium allainces that ahve a few ascended to lvl 20-24 some in medium and some around AG, their memebrs will need the house that fits their game

[GeneralChaos]

Houses are a shockingly bad update coming, admin doesnt seem to want to listen to the community who play the game, so alas we have no choice but to either play the new updates or quit the game,

Disiples of Science - BONUS:100 Percent Negates All Ascended Blessings In Battle

ALL the stat builders will be in this house, imagine having a 10trill def, and the person hitting you does NOT get blessing, have you any idea how expensive that would be to mass, espically if you are max ascended.

I wish that admin would listen to the players when they say this update is bad for the game, they need to fix the other issues the game has,

Some of this update is good, just the houses that are not.

[Join me]

please correct me if I am wrong, but wont it be an army growth race now?
People raiding to cap and investing in UP so they can have more votes on "house leader" Biggest alliance total army size gets to decide who goes and who stays...

And any alliance wanting to be in a house that is ruled by someone who doesnt like them will spend their 10bill, wait their 5 days and be kicked out receiving no bonus.

So only the big top dogs will rule/hold a house and it will be politics/blackmail for others to be let stay in that house...

One good thing about this, I think it will slow or atleast minimize the amount of "splinter/training" alliances,,, you will want your alliance to have the most votes right? So most people with big army sizes get to kick others out...

Wonders if 1 alliance could have fun changing houses every 5 days to kick all others out

[Sarevok]

ALL the stat builders will be in this house, imagine having a 10trill def, and the person hitting you does NOT get blessing, have you any idea how expensive that would be to mass, espically if you are max ascended.

I'm going to has at a guess and say similar time and effort as it took to built it in the first place.
Besides, going up against someone in science with a large defence, then join covert or attack, and sab/mass the defence more easily then before. I"m pretty sure, if their UnKnown, and your LG+1, and you try to mass it when there not in science, that you are going to get smashed almost every time anyway...

please correct me if I am wrong, but wont it be an army growth race now?
People raiding to cap and investing in UP so they can have more votes on "house leader" Biggest alliance total army size gets to decide who goes and who stays...

Except that, there's a difference between an entire alliance of lets say 400m army sizes totaling 12B army and voting for themselves, and 5 other alliances, only needing 2.5B each to over-throw them, which with 15 members, is only 160m needed/player

And any alliance wanting to be in a house that is ruled by someone who doesnt like them will spend their 10bill, wait their 5 days and be kicked out receiving no bonus.

Again, you didn't read it. It takes 6 days to be kicked, but 5 days to vote. So you can get 10 other alliances, all join a house, and if 5 days, boot the leader, without them kicking anyone.

So only the big top dogs will rule/hold a house and it will be politics/blackmail for others to be let stay in that house...

Read the first response. There's only so much an empire can do against 2-3 empires teaming up against them.

One good thing about this, I think it will slow or atleast minimize the amount of "splinter/training" alliances,,, you will want your alliance to have the most votes right? So most people with big army sizes get to kick others out...

The training alliances can still join and vote for the mother alliance. As it's not based on which alliance has most people, but how many alliances vote for an alliance, and how many people they have

Wonders if 1 alliance could have fun changing houses every 5 days to kick all others out

Yet AGAIN, impossible. Again, first example. Even if they are ALL 400m army size, you only need 5 alliances with 15 people each, and them all over 160m army size to kick them out themselves. This could ONLY be done, if entire empires joined, and tried to overthrow the alliances currently in there voting for the leader

[Brdavs]

Super theory but now give me a practical example on how "2 empires can team up on one and it wont stand a chance" lol.

Just who is going to "team up" to wrestle leadership away from the 3 houses FUA will call dibbs on? And if possible, who would actually be dumb enough to do that and risk a spaniking? WoB? Not the way I hear it heh.


Thats the main thing. It COULD work in theory. But if admin actually played the game he would know that the political landscape is such this bit of theory will never see the light of practice.

[Sarevok]

Just who is going to "team up" to wrestle leadership away from the 3 houses FUA will call dibbs on? And if possible, who would actually be dumb enough to do that and risk a spaniking? WoB? Not the way I hear it heh.

Glad to see your privileged to the internal workings

Total FUALL army size is DDE(20B) and OE(20B). Assume they went for 3 houses with decreasing desire to hold. They would do something like 21B, 14B and 5B. So if EVERYONE else went for the top priority, they might get lets say 25B, so FUALL re-arrange and put 28B in it. Leaving the other two with 7B and 5B. The Legion alone would be able to take the 5B easily, and with a little growth, the 7B as well.

Its not as easy as you think to hold them

[Lowra]

While I'm personally not convinced of the reason to be leading a house becuase depending on the allainces in the house, I'm sure that some of them will come to arrangements not to boot the others in exchange for support. I think what Brdavs is saying is that anyone taking a house from FUALL is likely to be facing the lot of them in a war.

FUALL aren't the only group of alliances likely to say take a house from us and face the consequences but they are one that are likely to take the most pleasure in risking a house for the express purpose of destroying the alliance(s) that took the house.

[Sarevok]

While I'm personally not convinced of the reason to be leading a house becuase depending on the allainces in the house, I'm sure that some of them will come to arrangements not to boot the others in exchange for support. I think what Brdavs is saying is that anyone taking a house from FUALL is likely to be facing the lot of them in a war.

FUALL aren't the only group of alliances likely to say take a house from us and face the consequences but they are one that are likely to take the most pleasure in risking a house for the express purpose of destroying the alliance(s) that took the house.

Oh no doubt. And hopefully if it gets way to bias there'll be something done.

[~Sabaku no Gaara~]

So when we'll have these updates on main?

[Sarevok]

Within the next month.