BETA UPDATES 2010

[Sarevok]

are those Beta updates? or soon-to-come to main?

These are beta updates, which will be released in the next 2-3 weeks. This is not a comprehensive list, just a few interesting points for people based on peoples comments that i can re-call

I like how lone wolves got some love.

What about lone wolves alliances? Lets be realistic, with houses basically "enforced NAPs" they`ll be claimed and kept lean. The majority of alliances that will stay out now have more incentive to disband ingame and tag themselves with the red titles or something for the 10%/10% bonus, than to carry on.

I disagree. It's alot harder to survive lone wolf style then in a alliance. Alliance offer support, advice, resources, etc. Being a lone wolf, anyone that attacks you, you have to take revenge yourself. You can not call in your alliance to assist.

And who's to say those that hold the houses, don't take these smaller developing alliances under their wing? Eg DDE recruiting an up-and-coming alliance to play like them, thus allowing them free entrance into say the house of chaos.

[Brdavs]

I ment disbanding ingame. There were alliances before their ingame incorporations heh.

I mean I could quite envision some going guerilla style that way. Theres quite a few practical incentives other than the bonus now given...

I`m just saying that snipers and lone wolves will have a field day, power to them.
If we`re doing that, why not throw a bone to the "Non-Aligned Movement" of alliances that is bound to be the most numerous, nomatter howmany more alliances dde takes under their wing lol...

P.S. corrected some of the spactic spelling LOL

[Wepwaet]

Brdavs is right, why would the house leaders want anymore than the bare minimum in their houses if it means giving up farms? It makes more sense that smaller alliances will disband ingame for the better bonus and show their "alliance" in another way.

This is crazy, each new thing we hear about seems designed to stand everything before it on its ear...

While Beta may help with the technical aspects of updates, there is no way to test how these will really affect day to day life in main. There are 2 problems: 1) that everyone who uses beta has pushed stats well past the point of being useful, 2) with so few people testing it its hard to extrapolate to all "layers" of players in main.





And one last thing, I guess it goes to show that if your the vocal minority and you whine loud and often enough you'll get everything dumbed down to your level. Its a shame forum is taking an axe to everyone's planets because some just refuse to build their own...

[GeneralChaos]

Where he did address some problems with perg, he didnt stop it, they now leave sell of wait 48 hours with no stats, then go back,

Just make it you can only enter perg once every 3 months, come on already,

Also the 2 new houses today, thats a joke right

Disciples of Time BONUS:25 Percent Increased Turn Generation and Natural Holdings

Disciples of Greed BONUS:5 Percent Increased Income

Disciples of Time huh, can you say hello mutli account, but honestly i do have my, 5 brothers 4 sisters, 7 dogs, grandparents, and cousins playing the game, so those 40 accounts are not multis there just my relations who send me there turns.....

[Sarevok]

If we`re doing that, why not throw a bone to the "Non-Aligned Movement" of alliances that is bound to be the most numerous nomatter howmany more alliances dde takes under their wing lol...

Try telling that to Tetris and Max...
All though, again my suggestion about making it a re-distribution rather then an out right bonus, would mean your point is invalid. Since they have essentially a bonus in every area over a house aligned alliance, apart from the stat which was boosted

Brdavs is right, why would the house leaders want anymore than the bare minimum in their houses if it means giving up farms? It makes more sense that smaller alliances will disband ingame for the better bonus and show their "alliance" in another way.

This is crazy, each new thing we hear about seems designed to stand everything before it on its ear...

I just have to ask. First, you don't want it cause it'll help larger people and alliances. So something is put in to help independents, then you don't want that, cause the independents get a power boost as well. Perhaps make up your mind first, then vocalise it?

And one last thing, I guess it goes to show that if your the vocal minority and you whine loud and often enough you'll get everything dumbed down to your level. Its a shame forum is taking an axe to everyone's planets because some just refuse to build their own...

So join the vocal minority and get your voice heard. Rather then sitting on the forum moaning about it. Go to the meet. Tell him what you don't like. See if he will listen to what you say to say and make changes. Anyone can go on a forum and have a moan, but it takes someone with a little more then time to waste to figure out how to make their hypothetical perfect world a reality.

Also the 2 new houses today, thats a joke right

Disciples of Time BONUS:25 Percent Increased Turn Generation and Natural Holdings

Disciples of Greed BONUS:5 Percent Increased Income

Disciples of Time huh, can you say hello mutli account, but honestly i do have my, 5 brothers 4 sisters, 7 dogs, grandparents, and cousins playing the game, so those 40 accounts are not multis there just my relations who send me there turns.....

What, is an extra 336AT/week gonna hurt you that much? When you can just make the multis like you said, trade the 3MT for AT, and then trade those instead. (Since it's a little under 3x more AT then the extra 1 you get every turn). Though you would have to basically ascend those accounts first in order to send

[Iƒrit]

This market CAN provide "full Supporter Status" in exchange for 1000 Glory and Reputation points. The option is only available once. (Ascending also provides full supporter status)

dont have to ascend, anyway GC has a point. Though I do like that at least there are more houses so that smaller alliances do have more of a chance to be part of one. But again I see alot of alliances becoming what mr. purple said

[Brdavs]

If we`re doing that, why not throw a bone to the "Non-Aligned Movement" of alliances that is bound to be the most numerous nomatter howmany more alliances dde takes under their wing lol...

Try telling that to Tetris and Max...
All though, again my suggestion about making it a re-distribution rather then an out right bonus, would mean your point is invalid. Since they have essentially a bonus in every area over a house aligned alliance, apart from the stat which was boosted

And if your suggestion ever makes it ingame on beta I`ll be a happy pappy cos I agree.

However, as long all we see are flat bonuses, and hordable ones at that, all we can do is point out drawbacks and negative sidefects the proposed setup, as it is currently on beta, might/probably will have... and make suggestions on how to mitigate the situation if it is implemented.

I`m all for your suggestion and it would indeed solve a lot of the issues. But one has to assume beta is the relevant situation here, not your suggestion, no offense.

[Juliette]

LONE WOLF
With more and more benefit for alliances, and houses (which require alliance), the person in no alliance, thus no house, will receive a 'i am so tough i fight alone like chuck norris' bonus of 10% to natural attack and defense. This is ontop of any commander/no commander/own commander bonuses, and deals specificly with alliance or no alliance.

*chuckles*

[GeneralChaos]

LONE WOLF
With more and more benefit for alliances, and houses (which require alliance), the person in no alliance, thus no house, will receive a 'i am so tough i fight alone like chuck norris' bonus of 10% to natural attack and defense. This is ontop of any commander/no commander/own commander bonuses, and deals specificly with alliance or no alliance.

*chuckles*

Yea admin +1 for sniper accounts bravo.

[Brdavs]

Snipers will be an issue with or without the bonuses.

Its a good idea to give lone wolfs a perk imo. It`s just amusing that atm there is more gameplay incentive to be outside an alliance than in one. Outside? 10% on att/def. In one? Basically a 1% income penalty. wua wua Wuaaaaaa

[Wepwaet]

Brdavs is right, why would the house leaders want anymore than the bare minimum in their houses if it means giving up farms? It makes more sense that smaller alliances will disband ingame for the better bonus and show their "alliance" in another way.

This is crazy, each new thing we hear about seems designed to stand everything before it on its ear...

I just have to ask. First, you don't want it cause it'll help larger people and alliances. So something is put in to help independents, then you don't want that, cause the independents get a power boost as well. Perhaps make up your mind first, then vocalise it?

And one last thing, I guess it goes to show that if your the vocal minority and you whine loud and often enough you'll get everything dumbed down to your level. Its a shame forum is taking an axe to everyone's planets because some just refuse to build their own...

So join the vocal minority and get your voice heard. Rather then sitting on the forum moaning about it. Go to the meet. Tell him what you don't like. See if he will listen to what you say to say and make changes. Anyone can go on a forum and have a moan, but it takes someone with a little more then time to waste to figure out how to make their hypothetical perfect world a reality.

Aparently you have enough time on your hands to troll/respond to each persons post even when they are not directed at you.

Anyways i'll feed the troll...
A forced NAP with those in your house is a bad idea. Every alliance has farmers in it and your basicly putting the breaks on friendly farming. Because people DO NOT want that they will look to control the houses with the least amount of people necessary so as to limit the number of people they can't farm.
You see? Its not wanted BUT if it goes live then thats the end result.

No where in there did I say that I dislike the lone wolf bonuses. The bonuses do however make it more economicial for mid-small range alliances to disband and tag themselves in an alternative way(no formal ingame alliance) and gain a better bonus set than alliances controlling either the Chaos or Order houses AND they don't have the added disadvantage of not being able to attack anyone in their house.

Theres no reason they shouldn't be short ended like the rest of us when it comes to who they can and can't attack.




Second part of your response:
Obviously your just swinging in the dark hoping to slap your own groups label on me. Unfortunately you don't reaslize exactly how many afternoon meets have been canceled in the last 1-2 months, do you? The few times he's made it to those meets I have given my opinions and facts/data to back them up. Like I said though, its the vocal minority, who want everything handed to them on a silver platter, who benifit from the planet update. There argument comes down to one thing... "but but but its unfair that they have a better kill to death ratio than me." ... they don't want to build a counter to their opponent, they just want their opponents ability nerfed with no effort on their part.

[Andariel]

these updates seem to get worse and worse...
changing the planet feature will only benefit the cash spenders as "legit" players cant protect more than 1-2 good planets whilst cash spenders can hold as many as they want.

also i agree that lone wolf looks like the way to go in the future.

[MaxSterling]

I actually went to the PM admin meet last friday and about the only thing that got taken care of in that meet was admin reimbursing the accounts that got massed by AI Replicator's abused naq. 30 minutes is hardly enough time to actually discuss the new beta updates and get opinions/feedback. Beta is also not a very good indication of how good the updates are. There's maybe 25-50 people playing beta now? Of those people, how many do you think are actually testing updates. I'd be willing to bet that most of the people playing beta don't even care about the updates and are more interested in the gift naq they received so they all can play with their big motherships.

The best possible way for admin to get feedback is either to have a poll done in main or to have a separate thread for each update instead of one general overall update. This way he can see the feedback for each update and then gauge the appeal and determine if the update can/should be pushed forward.

[Wepwaet]

I actually went to the PM admin meet last friday and about the only thing that got taken care of in that meet was admin reimbursing the accounts that got massed by AI Replicator's abused naq. 30 minutes is hardly enough time to actually discuss the new beta updates and get opinions/feedback. Beta is also not a very good indication of how good the updates are. There's maybe 25-50 people playing beta now? Of those people, how many do you think are actually testing updates. I'd be willing to bet that most of the people playing beta don't even care about the updates and are more interested in the gift naq they received so they all can play with their big motherships.

The best possible way for admin to get feedback is either to have a poll done in main or to have a separate thread for each update instead of one general overall update. This way he can see the feedback for each update and then gauge the appeal and determine if the update can/should be pushed forward.

2nded

[Tekki]

Oh goodie, while Lone Wolves should possibly get something, this update merely encourages snipers ... so how about something to even out the snipering and that will affect everyone - killable attacks supers (without the blood realm) or sabbing being WAY more effective on attack weapons as that is the only way they can be destroyed.

Because with these updates, I still see no overriding reason to build a decent defence and until there is some way to really hurt a sniper/ME hunter there is no reason.