order vs random.

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How does that explain why there arnt planets around us?
Between Galaxies there are billions of light years of distance. Clearing planes of 'empty space'. Anyone could easily find a planet that has very few or no planets at all surrounding it within a large distance. I'm quite sure there is just a single planet around that looks like a loser because it just so happens to be the only planet in its solar system for a large distance. Not only that but it's commonly seen in how planets are made.
from KMA-due to Jupiter sucking in most of the debris heading towards the inner part of the solar system.

Planets are formed from gravity sucking in rock debris, chunks of rocking join together and eventually create their own large clump which has its small gravity. So whats to say that the loser planet by itself with a massive distance between its neighboring stars can't be there? It could have easily picked up the rocks etc and started growing bigger.

and if you want to perform a reaction that leads to ordered, then you need to use energy. This happens in the Universe, everywhere..


The root of all energy is seen by many from the 'unmoved mover' AKA a god, the start of energy. It then gets complicated after that xD, as in what gave it the energy, which i guess hence why he is god.

IF it does happen to be randomized at the start then the you still need energy (commonly seen from lightening, energy storm) to start particles to 'create' things and stuff. If there was a big bang something had to set it off to release that sort of fury, it didn't just explode because it had too much stuff, because that stuff at its very basic level would have had energy to energize the size to a point where it could not withhold its structure and therefore expand. Also refer to Newtons laws and the conservation of energy, widely accepted by nearly every scientist, energy had to start from somewhere no matter how infinitely small it is.
What gave electrons there insane velocity to circle a nucleus or protons and neutrons. Randomness requires energy. You cant say at the very start or at the very basic level that randomness didn't require energy its just to blatantly obvious.
For a reaction to lead to higher randomness well that again is more of an obvious statement, then again it does not lead to higher randomness but more a scrambled approach because it is further tainted by many other variables. Even if the randomized object made it so far as to be still called random, if the slightest thing, the smallest possibility that this object has been tainted to make it impure to randomness then every other successor of that object is strictly not random and can be called ordered at its furthest reach.

Religion isn't a way to control the uneducated to save time, I could waltz the England, Australia and America and find any 'uneducated' agnostic peoples and within a few minutes get them to believe that everything started from randomness. It's easy for anyone because they dont know what to believe and if you start shoveling down facts/beliefs they will swallow it up and start to believe it. That quote can totally apply to what you believe in as well. Furthermore not everyone is true to their chosen religion, for instance look at America the vast majority of the population is 'christian' however i could easily stand in one place and spot out the people who are not and have lied. Its easy to say you are something but
its harder to be that something, which is a shame because a lot of people taint religions due to the fact that they claim to be but don't act like it.

Again I find it hard, neigh impossible to take in the fact that life started, well anything started from randomness, that anything can start from randomness. It just doesn't happen. Evolution has millions of flaws that just are built over or built on to 'cover up' and further offer a chance. to its believers.

sorry avenger for getting off topic, but Order is quite easily towering over random.
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Re: order vs random.

the one thing this topic is NOT about is religion!

its ok to argue for an order to things, but please leave religion out of it.
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Every argument will eventually lead to religion, because pretty much every question is linked with religious view. prove a religion is true and you have answered so many questions.
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proving if any religion is true or not is beyond the scope of this topic.
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