sad thread about justification for war.. duplicates present

[LegendaryA]

what right does any invading army have to take over ANY world heritage site?

i thought we were supposed to be "civilised" and yet, they have acted just like an ancient conquering army, sacking towns, city's and whole country's, looting and butchering everyone. 1.6 million dead Iraq's since the start of the war (and who knows how many have been subjected to torture?!) and now they damage ancient sites...no damned respect!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 461755.stm

This war wasn't needed unlike Afghan war. It was just because of US Army's/Bush's dislike of Sadam and hurt pride due to his behaviour prior to the war, not to mention the need for Junior to finish what dad started in 1991 lol. So the losses will likely be higher, and least justify-able.

That was sadly expectable if they install a basement. Not all soldiers realize what it is and some don't give a damn.

However, Brdavs, as much as I see this irony, it's not -yet- really the same. It has similarities indeed. But talibans bombed willingly this buddha. Americans deteriorate this site in long term, which isn't acceptable either, but the way and purpose is different.
It's damaging due to sitting troops ignorance, while for talibans, it was bombing due to ignorance. I'm sure soldiers don't try to damage it knowingly due to some silly ideology, unlike those idiotic talibans. If these soldiers damage it consciously, then shame on them!

It's as silly as those millionaires/billionaires acquiring old houses/buildings of great historical and money value and butchering them for their needs not minding what damages could be done (ie: creation of a jacuzzi inside the house).

[[KMA]Avenger]

maybe old news, but this is the first i've heard of it

i'm not alone by the looks of it.

You should read more! It was all over the news here last year.

TBH, i wouldn't know if it had been reported in the papers and the TV news...i wouldn't believe the TV news if they told me cyanide was bad for my health.

alas, i maybe a bit behind, but at least i'm not brainwashed (i know, that's a whole nother argument.)


@pops,after reading your 1st reply i was left the impression that in your opinion, the war in Afghan was/is necessary?

i know ist off topic but i'm just asking

[LegendaryA]

Indeed. Kick those **Filtered** **Filtered** primitive idealised fundamentalists wherever they are based, and they were in Afghanistan and used this country as a main base (well, obviously used Pakistan as well, and still do). Then they tend to move to Pakistan borderline region, with double standards government/army of this nation saying they are against talibans while having significant part being corrupted, which doesn't help tracking those **Filtered** radical islamists which led a rather modern country during kingdom era to a primitive one.
Estadounidenses are to blame for their silly move to have armed talibans to fight russian army back in late 80's, now they have to clean the mess they caused.

I think we should open another thread about it...to avoid double subjected thread lol

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And well, that might mean that TV news don't lie all the time, if Jo knew before about it and you find about this now..

[Juliette]

Or it took Avenger this long to fall for the ruse..
Babylon never fell, and the glorious city is more splendorous than ever..


Also: WOW. Islam-hater Pops! Le Pen would be proud. It is a good first step to take. Now, let us despise Africans as well, and see where that takes us.

[LegendaryA]

Also: WOW. Islam-hater Pops! Le Pen would be proud. It is a good first step to take. Now, let us despise Africans as well, and see where that takes us.

I'm not a Islam-hater. Now that's how leftists would speak about me. I denounce rampant fundamentalism, there's a difference. I don't mind muslims, I just don't want proselytism from them to convert people or constant demands that don't fit laws of European nations (also, fundamentalists cause the downfall of their most modern nations slowly but surely, in past Iran and Afghanistan, now Tunisia and Egypt). Le Pen? Haha hell will freeze before I vote for this far right populist anti EU dude. Just because his daughter says some things that are real (exagerated sometimes) it doesn't mean I will vote for populism or anti EU stances. Duh. I'm right wing, not far right wing. I share some views with moderate left wing, doesn't mean I vote for them.

I despise as much the neo nazis as I despise the fundamentalist islamists. Afterall, they always collaborated with each other.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni
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From 1921 to 1948, he was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, and played a key role in opposition to Zionism and a state for the Jews living in the Palestine region.

As early as 1920, he was active in both opposing the British in order to secure the independence of Palestine as an Arab State and led violent campaigns against Jews [2] opposing the establishment of a National home for the Jewish people in Palestine. His oppositional role peaked during the 1936-1939 Arab revolt in Palestine. In 1937, wanted by the British, he fled Palestine and took refuge successively in the French Mandate of Lebanon, the Kingdom of Iraq, Fascist Italy and finally Nazi Germany. In Germany he met dictator Adolf Hitler in 1941.[2] He asked Hitler to back Arab independence and requested that Nazi Germany oppose, as part of the Pan-Arab struggle, the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine (the future creation of Israel).



In 1933, within weeks of Hitler's rise to power in Germany, the German Consul-General in Palestine, the pro-nazi Heinrich Wolff,[102] sent a telegram to Berlin reporting al-Husayni's belief that Palestinian Muslims were enthusiastic about the new regime and looked forward to the spread of Fascism throughout the region. Wolff met Al-Husayni and many sheiks again, a month later, at Nabi Musa. They expressed their approval of the anti-Jewish boycott in Germany and asked Wolff not to send any Jews to Palestine.[103]

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As for the latter part. *facepalm*

[Juliette]

How egalitarian of you.

[LegendaryA]

How egalitarian of you.

Thank you.

I wanted to clear things up to avoid people thinking I'm worse than I actually am, and have people despise me for what they think I would be, which I happen not to be.

As for "despising Africans"...I wish to see one of their team at least (especially Cameroon, Ivory Coast or Ghana) going as far as they can in the World Cup, as long as they don't boot France in the process.
It's their opportunity this year to do good, they should take it, and I hope they will, they deserve it.

Sorry for offtopicness, but I had to make sure to clear things up.

[[KMA]Avenger]

thread split please Jo *consider that done*

@pops...

hmmm...so Taliban is bad?

would i be correct in saying those who created the Taliban are worse than the Taliban themselves?

[LegendaryA]

thread split please Jo

@pops...

hmmm...so Taliban is bad?

would i be correct in saying those who created the Taliban are worse than the Taliban themselves?

I wouldn't say you are not correct. One huge mistake on US side to have brought those fanatics, now they have to fix their mess.
Also, why is first post locked? [(which means I cannot change title to something more accurate)

[[KMA]Avenger]

ask Jo to open it (lol at the title).

so, you do know the Taliban was created by the CIA then?

http://rupeenews.com/usa/the-taliban-wa ... y-the-cia/

have a look here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3340165

they weren't just created in the 80's to fight the Russians, they are STILL being used as...shall we say, agents of chaos, in order to destabilise the entire region.

[Psyko]

Also: WOW. Islam-hater Pops! Le Pen would be proud. It is a good first step to take. Now, let us despise Africans as well, and see where that takes us.

I don't see anything he said as making him an Islam-hater. For that to happen, the Taliban would have to be Muslims. Despite the popular belief, even by those who are a part of the Taliban, that the Taliban Jihadists are true Muslims, they do not follow most (nearly all) of the teachings of Islam. Therefore, in my opinion, the Taliban is not an Islamic group; they just think they are.

[LegendaryA]

Also: WOW. Islam-hater Pops! Le Pen would be proud. It is a good first step to take. Now, let us despise Africans as well, and see where that takes us.

I don't see anything he said as making him an Islam-hater. For that to happen, the Taliban would have to be Muslims. Despite the popular belief, even by those who are a part of the Taliban, that the Taliban Jihadists are true Muslims, they do not follow most (nearly all) of the teachings of Islam. Therefore, in my opinion, the Taliban is not an Islamic group; they just think they are.

Yes.
Islam-hater would be things such as, "I am against all constructions of any kind of mosqees", or, "I consider practicing this cult as a jailable offense", or finally, "muslims are the plague of this planet". That's what I would say or think, if I was an Islam-hater. But it's not what I think, or say.

Anyone who followed late SG1 seasons might recognize in the Ori priors the fundamentalists from various religions who reinterpret holy texts to their own needs and purposes to twist it for their seek of dominance. I'm sure the writers of the series didn't do it innoncently, and did it as a criticism towards various fanatisms across the world, which existed, and still exist. This is a good illustration of why fundamentalists cannot be seen as the true holders of a cult they pretend representing.

[Psyko]

ask Jo to open it (lol at the title).

so, you do know the Taliban was created by the CIA then?

http://rupeenews.com/usa/the-taliban-wa ... y-the-cia/

have a look here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3340165

they weren't just created in the 80's to fight the Russians, they are STILL being used as...shall we say, agents of chaos, in order to destabilise the entire region.

Yes, and America is the number one country to sell firearms to anyone willing to pay the price. Yet our government claims it is trying to get rid of the number of firearms provided to radical groups, cartels, mobs, etc. Not to mention the hypocrisy that is The School of the Americas (SOA).

[LegendaryA]

If at least they cared about who they sold to (such as "respectable" countries only)...then there wouldn't be that much problems as there is now.
Providing weapons to rebel groups in Africa to fuel civil wars there, let's not forget about it.
America causes problems they have to fix later, one wonder if they aren't "bored" and create troubles to keep things "interesting" for themselves!

[Hitchkok]

"with god on our side"/Bob Dylan
Oh my name it is nothin'
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I's taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And that land that I live in
Has God on its side.

Oh the history books tell it
They tell it so well
The cavalries charged
The Indians fell
The cavalries charged
The Indians died
Oh the country was young
With God on its side.

Oh the Spanish-American
War had its day
And the Civil War too
Was soon laid away
And the names of the heroes
I's made to memorize
With guns in their hands
And God on their side.

Oh the First World War, boys
It closed out its fate
The reason for fighting
I never got straight
But I learned to accept it
Accept it with pride
For you don't count the dead
When God's on your side.

When the Second World War
Came to an end
We forgave the Germans
And we were friends
Though they murdered six million
In the ovens they fried
The Germans now too
Have God on their side.

I've learned to hate Russians
All through my whole life
If another war starts
It's them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side.

But now we got weapons
Of the chemical dust
If fire them we're forced to
Then fire them we must
One push of the button
And a shot the world wide
And you never ask questions
When God's on your side.

In a many dark hour
I've been thinkin' about this
That Jesus Christ
Was betrayed by a kiss
But I can't think for you
You'll have to decide
Whether Judas Iscariot
Had God on his side.

So now as I'm leavin'
I'm weary as Hell
The confusion I'm feelin'
Ain't no tongue can tell
The words fill my head
And fall to the floor
If God's on our side
He'll stop the next war.

can't see any better way to word "justification for war".