Feeder discussion

[Ace1102]

06:46 V 317769283090 ElgCaress 1066590115663 10,009,217,334 Naquadah lost

Well it seems apparent where Neu stand on feeding now

[ElgCaress]

06:46 V 317769283090 ElgCaress 1066590115663 10,009,217,334 Naquadah lost

Well it seems apparent where Neu stand on feeding now

Very much so. You will be seeing quite a few more feedings in Neu. Note though that we don't have random players not belonging to Neu busy feeding us. It is internal. That is called a Team Effort my good man Also the difference here is the fact that it's not done for rank.

Unfortunately it's either going into VAC (which i do not think will work for obvious reasons) or err...'adapt to the new tactics' as was suggested. I don't like it but what other alternative is there?

[Zhar]

and how did my post personaly insulted anyone to get deleted? if it was insulting you could have modified the post and get me a warning or a ban!

and again:

"pfff maybe it's time to skip this era as well as i can't compete with that"

[Ace1102]

06:46 V 317769283090 ElgCaress 1066590115663 10,009,217,334 Naquadah lost

Well it seems apparent where Neu stand on feeding now

Very much so. You will be seeing quite a few more feedings in Neu. Note though that we don't have random players not belonging to Neu busy feeding us. It is internal. That is called a Team Effort my good man Also the difference here is the fact that it's not done for rank.

Unfortunately it's either going into VAC (which i do not think will work for obvious reasons) or err...'adapt to the new tactics' as was suggested. I don't like it but what other alternative is there?

Feeding is still feeding, you're only adding to the problem you have spent the last week complaining about...
The only way to LEGALLY Feed, is to buy a USS, which none of you will do...

[High Empty]

06:46 V 317769283090 ElgCaress 1066590115663 10,009,217,334 Naquadah lost

Well it seems apparent where Neu stand on feeding now

Very much so. You will be seeing quite a few more feedings in Neu. Note though that we don't have random players not belonging to Neu busy feeding us. It is internal. That is called a Team Effort my good man Also the difference here is the fact that it's not done for rank.

Unfortunately it's either going into VAC (which i do not think will work for obvious reasons) or err...'adapt to the new tactics' as was suggested. I don't like it but what other alternative is there?

Feeding is still feeding, you're only adding to the problem you have spent the last week complaining about...
The only way to LEGALLY Feed, is to buy a USS, which none of you will do...

I might.. i did notice that there are a few people that atleast look like they have bought it. And one that looks like they bought it twice already.

[Ace1102]

There are a few around who aren't above buying USS, I just got one, extra AT boost is win
But if theres one thing I hate, its hypocrites... Even worse, tightass hypocrites who just would not ever consider donating to the game, but are happy to **Filtered** and complain about feeding then go straight out and do the same thing.

[EnVy!]

@ace- we found a way to ensure that it wont continue

mass all those being fed. but with such low turns this wave you have to get help in taking down super accounts. if there was a time when feeding was ever used as a tactic... this is one. truly hopes this helps situation in quantum... but atleast we are trying something.

[Ace1102]

But then it takes all the power and inserts it neatly into the palm of your little hand, making your account a so called "super account" to use a phrase coined by you.
It has yet to be seen at all how this account might be used, if its used against feeding accounts its still going to be you vs them at the end of the day, and nothing I or any other Q player says will alter that, its always going to be your account, doing your bidding for your own reason.
So really, its no different to what we have now, but there is one "super account" that has the blessing of the largest alliance, who still farms just like all the rest of us, only since you don't need to worry about being tactical with your turns you can vacuum the whole server for everything over 100 mil like you did earlier.

Also, in direct response to your last post, YOU HAVENT MASSED ANYTHING, All you've done is feed and farm for BS low amounts that any other account would be crazy for doing, as it is not profitable AT/NAQ wise, but ofcourse this is something you need not worry about when you don't care how much naq you get per AT.

[Apophis]

All This Talk Of Feeding's Giving Me The Munchies

[Ace1102]

May 22, 2010 knight 406296495824 turkey_man 624550330342 7,446,924,958 Naquadah lost
May 21, 2010 knight 406296495824 turkey_man 7,305,984,121 Naquadah lost
May 21, 2010 knight 406296495824 Dmonix 224994350005 8,807,833,207 Naquadah lost

To quote from another topic...
I believe this should be further investigated.
If you look at either of these 2 accounts, they appear to have been used solely for the purpose of feeding knight.
There are nil stats, nil activity apart from the initial farming and naq fed to knight, the accounts are now inactive again and building AT's.

I would think that any account created and then used solely for the purpose of feeding naq to another account falls under the category of a multi account, and therefore there should be consequences against the using of accounts for this purpose, regardless of who'se name is highlighted in what colour on these forums.

EDIT:
Here's another good discussion for us all, after re-reading whats been said in here.
Basically I read it to say, Neu approve of and therefore find no problem in the community with, feeding a designated account by use of other accounts that are clearly identifiable as unique players, this would then constitute a 'group/team or alliance wide effort'.
Therefore by saying that, you are also approving of 90% of the feeding that happens in our community, as it is between unique active accounts.

The other 10% of the feeding is made up by other activities as quoted at the start of this post.
This is the feeding that should be targeted, feeding of large amounts of naq to unique active accounts by unknown, largely inactive and never to be heard of again accounts that appear, farm, feed and then dissapear.
(Accounts who'se owners cannot be identified as a unique player, with just that one playerid)

My $0.02
Open discussion on that

[EnVy!]

well the plan was to feed super account so we can take them on. it doesn't happen all in one day. i never care for rank. and it has always been me and friends against them... its just they have gotten bigger and we have to adjust.

as for us against them... you have never done anything in my mind to make a difference anyhow. sitting their stat building is not what i consider winning. the game is called (quantum WARS) not (quantum STATBUILDING). when you make a stand and show the people ruining the game a lesson then you can come and talk to me. luckily for you by us taking care of problem it may allow a statbuilder like yourself to slip on in the rankings at end.

you spend $$ and quantum needs that but thats not what i consider skill at this game.

p.s. i do stand behind you on post about knight pulling from inactive account.

[5forV]

Yes Ace, we know, shame on us for backtracking on what we said

Try understand, we don't want feeding. We want future eras where accounts would be banned for doing this, BUT admin is not going to bring controls in for this era. Admin is not going to reset this era. You know why? It's too late for them to do so, people like yourself have already donated, people have already donated to an era which has been completely spoilt.

How do I get this through to you... Our fed accounts, 'supers' are not playing for rank. Given that admin are not going to combat feeding THIS era (Hopefully next era onwards) we have had to devise something to balance the game this era.

How are we balancing it?

We plan on taking down those that have fed with feeding.
This of course means our own accounts. Once we have hopefully destroyed the accounts of those that have fed, then yes I will be selling my weapons etc untraining troops or Hippy and yourself and anyone else can mass the hell out of me. I do not care about rank this era. it is pointless to go for rank once you've been fed, you haven't achieved anything. I understand as much as you that what we're doing is hypocritical, but if you want someone to balance the game for you so that without feeding you have a chance of achieving a top rank then you should be behind what we're doing. My account will not be finishing top 5, let alone top 50 and I hope no other account that has been fed will either.

As for $$ donations, i use to donate, but when it was apparent feeding occurred and was widespread and admin were doing nothing about it I stopped donating. There is no point donating to a game which admin aren't all that active in - otherwise it's money for nothing. If they were active and doing something more a bit more visible about feeding I probably would start donating every once in a while to show my appreciation.

Basically I read it to say, Neu approve of and therefore find no problem in the community with, feeding a designated account by use of other accounts that are clearly identifiable as unique players, this would then constitute a 'group/team or alliance wide effort'.
Therefore by saying that, you are also approving of 90% of the feeding that happens in our community, as it is between unique active accounts.

Personally disagree completely, I detest feeding. Right now I'm very self loathing. I'm doing the only thing I can to try and balance the game. Tell me though Ace, what are you doing about feeding? If you can do anything other than detest us, PLEASE go to IRC chats with admin and complain to them about how feeding is ruining the game. We can complain all we want to each other, but this past week it has become clear to me that it's not going to make a difference unless admin act, admin are only going to act if we're in their ear about it.

Again, I would donate if feeding didn't occur, but it does, so I don't donate because it's pointless donating to a game which doesn't function properly.

I would think that any account created and then used solely for the purpose of feeding naq to another account falls under the category of a multi account, and therefore there should be consequences against the using of accounts for this purpose, regardless of who'se name is highlighted in what colour on these forums.

Agreed completely. Rules like this aren't going to be enforced this era though, admin seldom changes the rules once a game has begun. I personally wish new rules had been enforced from the beginning of this era..

You haven't massed anything

Have you massed anything yet? Massing takes time and it takes turns, which are limited this era, so timing is everything. Before we mass these accounts we need to make sure we can not only mass them now but also mass them up until the last week of the era as they will try to keep playing to the end, they've invested money into this, so they will keep on trying to play to the finish. I thought this would've been self-evident to someone with your experience in the game. We could mass them now, it's only been a week in. Only a week Ace and they've already got a huge advantage.. They will recover the next day if we mass them now and we'd have wasted turns and resources, which, if used wisely, could've ensured we were in a better position to take them down multiple times throughout the era.

The only way to LEGALLY Feed, is to buy a USS, which none of you will do...

Neither should you, not until this whole feeding mess is fixed up, nothing speaks to admin quite like $$$ does.

[HippyFool]

Personally I think this is going to be the most entertaining wave for awhile - I don't think its ruined at all!

Just look at how much activity there is both on forums and in game!

And as far as I can tell, noone that has been fed is going to win cos some crazy **** is gonna go down some time or another, so really anyone could win!

[Ace1102]

To reply to a point from both of you, I never claimed total war on feeders, never claimed to be the saviour of the server, and never claimed to be going to make a huge difference...
Honestly, feeding has been a part of quantum ever since I started playing the game, you sort of learn to deal with it, we've been over this exact topic numerous times there is not much that can be done about it short of getting an admin to actively play the game along with us, which probably wont happen.

So no, I haven't massed any feeders, and nor will I bother, because I am not going to be the one to waste my extremely limited AT's fighting a battle I know cannot be won, am quite happy to leave that to self imposed server super account, and you'll probably get the same issue with lack of AT's

[Ace1102]

Have you massed anything yet? Massing takes time and it takes turns, which are limited this era, so timing is everything. Before we mass these accounts we need to make sure we can not only mass them now but also mass them up until the last week of the era as they will try to keep playing to the end, they've invested money into this, so they will keep on trying to play to the finish. I thought this would've been self-evident to someone with your experience in the game. We could mass them now, it's only been a week in. Only a week Ace and they've already got a huge advantage.. They will recover the next day if we mass them now and we'd have wasted turns and resources, which, if used wisely, could've ensured we were in a better position to take them down multiple times throughout the era.

I disagree, I would think the best course of action would to not give an account a chance to grow to such size that you can't inflict enough damage to it, also with the limited amount of AT's available you should be looking at ways to keep inflicting damage so that for every day they sit down and farm a large percentage of it goes to regaining stats they had that morning, and not to further increasing the lead they may already have.

Giving an account weeks or months to build exponentially bigger then every other account in the game is how we get to the stage where you can predict the top 5 accounts less then halfway through the game, once they get far enough ahead you cant stop them, and as I said the only way you could slow them down is if they had to keep rebuilding to the same level instead of being able to hold their daily income and spend it on UP and getting just that much further ahead of everyone else daily.

You have strength in numbers, should be putting everyones AT's to work instead of pooling them all into one account with limited AT's.