another POV

[Hitchkok]

SO hitch do you speak for all of israel when you say this... because past precedents suggest the opposite.

OF COURSE I DON'T speak for ALL israel.
however, yes, most israelies support the two state solution.
what do you mean past precedents?

[Thriller]

SO hitch do you speak for all of israel when you say this... because past precedents suggest the opposite.

OF COURSE I DON'T speak for ALL israel.
however, yes, most israelies support the two state solution.
what do you mean past precedents?

Your ability to maintain palistinian areas in poverty.

Israel allows food and medical supplies, as in MRE's and bandaids. Israel forbids construction materials, agricultural supplies, "luxury" foods, and most medical equipment. Basically anything other than first aid kits and emergency food. For going on four years to a population of almost 1.5 million people.

Starve them into submission?

[Hitchkok]

SO hitch do you speak for all of israel when you say this... because past precedents suggest the opposite.

OF COURSE I DON'T speak for ALL israel.
however, yes, most israelies support the two state solution.
what do you mean past precedents?

Your ability to maintain palistinian areas in poverty.

Israel allows food and medical supplies, as in MRE's and bandaids. Israel forbids construction materials, agricultural supplies, "luxury" foods, and most medical equipment. Basically anything other than first aid kits and emergency food. For going on four years to a population of almost 1.5 million people.

Starve them into submission?

no.
an attempt to get a POW visited by the red cross. (did you know? the ather of the Israely POW in Gaza asked the organisers of the flotilla to deliver a letter to his son. a letter. nothing else. they declined.)

[Thriller]

OH so this is an eye for an eye thing. Well that justifies it.

[[KMA]Avenger]

sigh...ok, i'll make it plain and simple...

i can show you a group of IDF troops shooting and wounding a civi in a group of unarmed civis, and then standing around laughing and firing more shots at a group of civis...

now, how much is the wager for and how do you intend to cough up when i show you the footage??

youre still not going to answer to the point are you?
just gotta love a straw man when you see one.
set your terms, anyway. it's been a while since i debunked a half truth by you.

tbh mate, i originally wanted to go point by point. i wanted to get this out of the way before i moved on to your other points and shoot them down 1 at a time. debunk this if you can: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qnu5qPXEmkc

however, for the past 2 days i've deliberately stayed away from these boards debating with myself if i could be arsed in the first place, my decision, i cant be arsed so have point one as a freebie!


oh, and btw, i haven't read the rest of the thread (because i cant be arsed any more) so forgive me if someone else has said this before me but, isnt killing civis in international waters a crime?

after watching some of the news today it seems you guys (Israeli's) are in a spot of bother


bad Israel bad

[Hitchkok]

OH so this is an eye for an eye thing. Well that justifies it.

no. an eye for an eye would be shelling civilian neigobrhoods with explosives.

[Thriller]

OH so this is an eye for an eye thing. Well that justifies it.

no. an eye for an eye would be shelling civilian neigobrhoods with explosives.

Stop deflecting from the issue at hand by continuing this "well there all terrorists" mentallity.

It's also dishonest for you to claim supperioty in who's killed more civilians number game. After the first 100 it becomes balantantly obviouse neither of you are really trying to do anything about it.

[[KMA]Avenger]

OH so this is an eye for an eye thing. Well that justifies it.

no. an eye for an eye would be shelling civilian neigobrhoods with explosives.

Stop deflecting from the issue at hand by continuing this "well there all terrorists" mentallity.

It's also dishonest for you to claim supperioty in who's killed more civilians number game. After the first 100 it becomes balantantly obviouse neither of you are really trying to do anything about it.

totally agree with Thriller.

as far as i see things, neither the Israeli Govt nor Hamas have ANY claim whatsoever on having the moral high ground. your both as bad and complicit as each other and whats worse, the civis are the ones on both sides who are suffering while both Govts are more interested in the blame game and pointing fingers .

[Hitchkok]

OH so this is an eye for an eye thing. Well that justifies it.

no. an eye for an eye would be shelling civilian neigobrhoods with explosives.

Stop deflecting from the issue at hand by continuing this "well there all terrorists" mentallity.

It's also dishonest for you to claim supperioty in who's killed more civilians number game. After the first 100 it becomes balantantly obviouse neither of you are really trying to do anything about it.

not ALL. just the leadership.
and need i show you again the video of Hamas using kids as human shield?

[Thriller]

OH so this is an eye for an eye thing. Well that justifies it.

no. an eye for an eye would be shelling civilian neigobrhoods with explosives.

Stop deflecting from the issue at hand by continuing this "well there all terrorists" mentallity.

It's also dishonest for you to claim supperioty in who's killed more civilians number game. After the first 100 it becomes balantantly obviouse neither of you are really trying to do anything about it.

not ALL. just the leadership.
and need i show you again the video of Hamas using kids as human shield?

NO, DO i need to to show you videos of israels killing children in the west bank?

[Hitchkok]

OH so this is an eye for an eye thing. Well that justifies it.

no. an eye for an eye would be shelling civilian neigobrhoods with explosives.

Stop deflecting from the issue at hand by continuing this "well there all terrorists" mentallity.

It's also dishonest for you to claim supperioty in who's killed more civilians number game. After the first 100 it becomes balantantly obviouse neither of you are really trying to do anything about it.

not ALL. just the leadership.
and need i show you again the video of Hamas using kids as human shield?

NO, DO i need to to show you videos of israels killing children in the west bank?

yes

[Thriller]

I'm really disapointed you want me to deface this argument with shock images, and depravity.

I only post this to show i'm not bluffing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5wrwZlwAq8

I'm not going to turn this into a "who can out autrocity the other one", discussion.

You can either refute my claims with some form of logic or keep trying this juvenille "tit for tat" approach. I'm not going to engage anymore in the latter

[[KMA]Avenger]

when you watch footage like that its easy to see why Palestinians launch rocket attacks and bus bombings and the inevitable retribution resulting in more deaths and more attacks...

round and round it goes, where it stops nobody knows!

[Thriller]

when you watch footage like that its easy to see why Palestinians launch rocket attacks and bus bombings and the inevitable retribution resulting in more deaths and more attacks...

round and round it goes, where it stops nobody knows!

It's deffinately not easy, plz don't legitimize what they are doing through your empathetically slanted point of view. Even you if you didn't mean too

[[KMA]Avenger]

i think you ought to know me better than that by now?

the point i was trying to make is, its easy to see why the hatred and the inevitable retaliation on both sides continues. that does not mean there is anything legitimate about anything going on in that part of the world.

i get the impression sometimes that both the Israeli Govt and the Palestinian leadership are happy for it to continue regardless of the civilian casualty's.