Thriller wrote:Everything you write is conjecture hitch.
perhaps it is. but that video you brought has a long way to go before it even gets to the level of conjecture. Maybe you should change your name to Non Sequitur.
I provide clear examples of isreali injustice
no you didn't and all i get is more tit for tat.
no you didn't Your not even trying to adress what im saying rationally; just playing it off as just, compared to something else. That doesn't even follow properly and may or may not be related(not clear hitch).
actually, i provided very clear arguments to how those children came into the line of fire. what is an assumption i stated to be an assumption, what is not directly related i stated to not be directly related.
interesting you fail to address the question: " who is to blame, the government that deploys its soldiers to keep violence as far away from its civilians, or the one that takes the battle to the center of it's own cities?"I just sent you some videos of people shot at while being perfectly come and still and another of them camly leaving then put under fire. I'm sure youll attempt to justify them aswell through loose logic and double think.
To adress your criticism of what kma posted.
Here is one for everyone else that is not as violent since it doesn't use live ammo, but is shocking none the less.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x66wcv ... oting_newsGoing justify it hitch?, Deliver Yahwehs justice to those palestinian dogs?
well, i thought we're going back to logical arguments, and macro situations, but if you want to stay at micro events...
I actually addressed this one in the past.
this is a battalion commander interugating a Palestinian, when a soldier in his FCP (Forward Command Party) shoots a rubber bullet at the Palestinian's leg.
the soldier claimed he was directly ordered to, while the officer claimed he mentioned the possibility to intemidate the Palestinian.
the battalion commander, Lt. colonel Omry Broomberg was immediatly relieved from his post and discharged from the IDF.
the matter is in court now (civil court, not martial) to determine which of the two is guilty.
now, let's talk a little about your one state solution.
do you understand that the meaning of a one state solution is the termination of the republic of Israel?
in fact, it will be neither a republic, nor Israel.
the immediate meaning will not be "a few more muslims in the parliement".
it will be an immediate majority, and an absolut majority in a decade. at that point, you can expect the country to lose any relation it has to the jewish tradition, the jewish heritage and the jewish people.
now, i've explained earlier in the thread the importance of having Israel as a sovereigen Jewish state. in short, it is the first time in 2000 years that the jewish people have a safe haven, and their fate in their own hand. had Israel existed 75 years ago, the holocaust wouldn't have taken the life of six milion Jews. some will call this statement a cynical use of the holocaust, but again, if you know any better reason to sustain a sovereign state which is a safe haven for a minority group, i'm listening.
now, "so what?" you'll might ask. "democracy's a **Filtered** that way". which brings me to the second point.
the new Palestinian state will not last as a democracy. first of all, given a environment hostile enough for Jews, the army (which is composed mainly of jews) will disband. which will open up the state for invasion from all sides. syria doesn't hide it's desire to the back the golan heights, Jordan will happily retake the west bank, and egypt will gladly annex the Israely coastline. you think the Palestinians are in poor condition now? you don't even want to know what it will be like under the rule of Assad or Mubarak. and i don't have to remind you that none of the states i mentioned is a democracy, do i?
and let's assume the Palestinian state will avoid that fate. in no more than 2 years, a civil war will break. just remember what happened after the Gaza election. Hamas hunted and shot each and every Fatah activist. democrachy at it's best. the country will fall into disarray and anarchy, and trust me, whatever regime will emerge, it won't be a democracy. perhaps a theocracy, maybe just an old fashioned tyranny. with some luck, it will resort to a tribal rule similar to the one in yemen.
so, we've seen how the middle east will be affected. but what about you?
for you this is all good news, initially. because the violence might not cease, or even diminish, but you'll have less of a problem, because you'll have a couple more degrees of seperation from it. it will be the third world, and who cares about them killing each other?
but here's why you should care.
you'll might not realise it yet, but there are two major cultures in the world. and those cultures are heading for a clash. i'm not talking about the judeo christian culture and the muslim culture. i'm talking about something much more significant, much more to do with human nature. i'm talking about the democratic culture and the dictatoral culture.
first, let's do a little head count.
we're talking aout 50-60% of world population under a more or less stable democratic regime. that's the US, Canada, the members of the EU, some of West Europe, Brazil, Argentina, Japan and a couple of smaller countries in Latin America, Australia, New-Zealand, South Africa, Turkey and India. oh, and Israel.
we also have about 30-40% under a more or less dictatoral (be it a monarchy, a theocracy, or a plain and simple tyranny) regime. that would be some of Latin America, Cuba, China, the northern coastline of Africa (Moroco, Algir, Tunis, Lybia etc.), most of the middle east (Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the Arab emirates), Iran, and most of the far east. the remaining few percents are in an anarchy. mostly Africa (Sudan, Chad, Niger, Ruanda, Ethiopya etc.).
now, this is very far from the what a westerner might think. living as we do in democratic countries, trading and communicating with mostly other democracies, we seem to think that's how the whole world runs. well it isn't. and that shouldn't come as a shock, really. democracy is a very new idea. the Athenes democracy was more of an oligarchy. no, real democracy is what? 300 years old? and a democracy with no women rights, no rights to black people, and don't even mention gays, that was. so we have democracy, which, for the time being, is a fleeting nuiance in the story of men kind, and we have dictatorship, which all signs show to be an almost inherent part of human nature, on almost equel terms.
now, here's the main difference between a demochracy and a dictatorship: a democrachy is a regime of checks and balances. it is an attempt to do what is right. it is a regime built around peace and cooperation.
dictatorship is not. it is a refime of power. nothing is more important than power. power is not a means to an end, it is the goal. if you have to achieve it by cooperation, so be it. if you can achieve it through war, better yet.
now, what does all of this have to do with anything, you ask? well, here's the thing:
around the world, dictatorships are watching this conflict. having Israel surrendered to terror would bring about an unprecedented wave of terrorist attacks throughout the world, as it will show terror is rewarded.
having israel disbanded through democrachy, will bring about a similar attack, through the parliaments of the larger democracies.
i know, that sounds alot like some of KMA conspiracies. but take the time to think of it. consult some political analysts. try and look at the whole picture. and then decide, what do you want to see in this little piece of land in a decade or two, a prosperous and advanced democrachy, or a dark, violent dictatorship?
you cant have your cake and eat it mate 