Possible Multi - Ebenerz - 1976833

[Clarkey]

Ok, the other day I found this account:

id=1976833 Ebenerz

Now id 1976833 is only 2 days old. I know this for a fact. What first attracted me to it was that it had an army size of over 110m.

So i spied it, these were the results:

184 ATs
3001 UP
and....
Anti-Covert Operatives: 110830481

That's right, nearly the entire army was Anti Covert with lvl 18. I thought how crazy is that, but what would be even more crazy is if someone lifer suicided the lot. I kept the find to myself because i'm not a mean guy.

So, today I look at him again, and find this....

Name: Ebenerz
Plane: Normal Reality
Commander: None
Race Name: Human
Rank: 41,207
Army Size: 2,827,887
Treasury: 19,605,072,748 Naquadah
Fortifications: Dominated World
Relation (yours/theirs) Neutral / Neutral

So he's dropped from over 110m to less than 3m.
I spied him, and he has 0 Anti Covert.
Also his UP increased by about 1k which shows activity on the account. And also some of his stats changed around such as not having any strike but having a defence..... changing to having a strike but not having a defence.

Now his super defenders have dropped, which clearly shows he's been hit. Now for someone or a group of people to lifer suicide him they would have to use a total of 330m+. I find this extremely unlikely. Possible, but unlikely.... and no-one has bragged about it on forums.

This account does not have SS either.

Therefore my conclusion is that his super defenders decreased because the 110m uu was raided. This would have meant someone had to be in the account to untrain the Anti Covert and also increase the UP by 1k for some reason.

This all seems rather odd, and with the amounts of uu rather concerning.

I recommend this account being checked out.

[RepliMagni]

Sounds like someone getting over the buying uu limit by sending their uu off and then raiding them back.....but training them to AC means someone logged into the account.....

The trouble you're going to have is proving it was the person who raided the uu who logged in.....ie: I could get my sister to make an account, send her uu to train up, then when I'm ready raid them back.....I would not have technically broken any rules....

[renegadze]

Sounds like someone getting over the buying uu limit by sending their uu off and then raiding them back.....but training them to AC means someone logged into the account.....

The trouble you're going to have is proving it was the person who raided the uu who logged in.....ie: I could get my sister to make an account, send her uu to train up, then when I'm ready raid them back.....I would not have technically broken any rules....

agreed, and I know a number of people have have done this. People store as AC as it least likely to be attacked and you don't lose the units as lifers for training miners

[Juliette]

Sounds like someone getting over the buying uu limit by sending their uu off and then raiding them back.....but training them to AC means someone logged into the account.....

The trouble you're going to have is proving it was the person who raided the uu who logged in.....ie: I could get my sister to make an account, send her uu to train up, then when I'm ready raid them back.....I would not have technically broken any rules....

agreed, and I know a number of people have have done this. People store as AC as it least likely to be attacked and you don't lose the units as lifers for training miners

If that is the concern, why not train them to regular attackers and eliminate the risk completely? It's even cheaper.

[Clarkey]

Well having another look at the account I can confirm that it was definitely raided because of the amount of uu remaining compared to the uu there the day before and the small UP.

But maybe is legit maybe not, maybe they slipped up.

[renegadze]

Sounds like someone getting over the buying uu limit by sending their uu off and then raiding them back.....but training them to AC means someone logged into the account.....

The trouble you're going to have is proving it was the person who raided the uu who logged in.....ie: I could get my sister to make an account, send her uu to train up, then when I'm ready raid them back.....I would not have technically broken any rules....

agreed, and I know a number of people have have done this. People store as AC as it least likely to be attacked and you don't lose the units as lifers for training miners

If that is the concern, why not train them to regular attackers and eliminate the risk completely? It's even cheaper.

because it's far too easy to forget you have them as attackers (as you're unlikely to arm them) it only take 1 person to annoy you and you end up bashing them into their defence

you could argue the same for AC......but you'd hope when your AC power is pretty large you'd remember

[RepliMagni]

Well having another look at the account I can confirm that it was definitely raided because of the amount of uu remaining compared to the uu there the day before and the small UP.

But maybe is legit maybe not, maybe they slipped up.

Indeed. I'm not saying its not worth a look....its certainly suspicious enough to warrant a check

[Enygma]

Sounds like someone getting over the buying uu limit by sending their uu off and then raiding them back.....but training them to AC means someone logged into the account.....

The trouble you're going to have is proving it was the person who raided the uu who logged in.....ie: I could get my sister to make an account, send her uu to train up, then when I'm ready raid them back.....I would not have technically broken any rules....

agreed, and I know a number of people have have done this. People store as AC as it least likely to be attacked and you don't lose the units as lifers for training miners

If that is the concern, why not train them to regular attackers and eliminate the risk completely? It's even cheaper.

because it's far too easy to forget you have them as attackers (as you're unlikely to arm them) it only take 1 person to annoy you and you end up bashing them into their defence

you could argue the same for AC......but you'd hope when your AC power is pretty large you'd remember

I'll come right out now and say that that was me sending and raiding the UU, and my flatmate storing it. The scenario was basically what has been stated. Was over the market cap, sent it away, bought back to cap and raided.

In order to get around the fact that we use the same IP a proxy was used (in a rush, takes time to get an exception, he's not going to be using the account again probably ), so I guess that makes it hard to verify, but in any case that's what happened.

I realised when some people set him to war that this might pop up, and lo and behold here it is. If anyone has more questions I'm happy to answer them.