Open Carry

[Iƒrit]

many people misunderstand policy in the US, its your god-given right to posses a firearm, not a privillage. We should continue to protect that right even if and when the dim-witted abuse this right. Im not saying that a dim-witted individual should continue to have that right, but that the right should not be removed from others because of a dim-witted individual(s).

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

[Thriller]

many people misunderstand policy in the US, its your god-given right to posses a firearm, not a privillage. We should continue to protect that right even if and when the dim-witted abuse this right. Im not saying that a dim-witted individual should continue to have that right, but that the right should not be removed from others because of a dim-witted individual(s).

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

As long as the secound amendment isn't the only part of the constitution your willing to defend, then im cool with that.

[[KMA]Avenger]

i agree with both Iƒrit and Thriller.


it used to be a requirement in the uk that everyone know how to use a bow and arrow...if i'm not mistaken, we would do well to reintroduce that...but methinks the corrupt politicians would not agree with that sentiment.

[Thriller]

its not the law Per-Se that determines if it is affective...

take 2 US states, state 1 has a law allowing open carry, and state 2 does not, if nobody takes advantage of the fact they can carry a fire arm openly in state 1, then what's the difference going to be between the 2 states? i would hazard very little.
where as if muggers/rapists etc etc etc, know there's a good chance the next person they attack could well be carrying a gun will defo make them think twice, why risk your life when there are other states/cities which don't allow open carry making for easier pickings...unless they couldn't careless for life

Open carry doesnt lead to less crime(or carrying any gun around with you, open or not), If this were true, then ghettohs would be safest places on earth.

[[KMA]Avenger]

i was talking about an average city with a more than slightly educated populace, not some crime ridden hovel where most people are off their heads on drugs or alcohol (or both) and would sooner shoot you than talk to you.

[Thriller]

i was talking about an average city with a more than slightly educated populace, not some crime ridden hovel where most people are off their heads on drugs or alcohol (or both) and would sooner shoot you than talk to you.

THan would be cherry picking examples that would only highlight what you want to show.... no very objective.

Also i doubt it would do any good there either.

[[KMA]Avenger]

THan would be cherry picking examples that would only highlight what you want to show.... no very objective.

wasn't trying to cherry pick, merely make a point.

Also i doubt it would do any good there either.

well, that's open to debate, don't you think?

[Rottenking]

i want open carry in Australia,

would be practical, being able to go straight from work to the shooting range, altho...i would have to buy a handgun first...dont think a 12 gauge is acceptable for open carry

[Jack]

i want open carry in Australia,

would be practical, being able to go straight from work to the shooting range, altho...i would have to buy a handgun first...dont think a 12 gauge is acceptable for open carry

Texas actually allows the open carry of rifles. Just not pistols.

[spoiler]

many people misunderstand policy in the US, its your god-given right to posses a firearm, not a privillage. We should continue to protect that right even if and when the dim-witted abuse this right. Im not saying that a dim-witted individual should continue to have that right, but that the right should not be removed from others because of a dim-witted individual(s).

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

[/spoiler]As long as the secound amendment isn't the only part of the constitution your willing to defend, then im cool with that.

I can not speak for everyone, but the right to arms is not the only right I care about. There is also free speech, fair trials and the like.

Which, BTW, I just want to point out that the anti-gun lobby is apparently against fair trial, innocent till proven guilty etc as they support bills that fly in the face of those rights. Just sayin'.

Open carry doesnt lead to less crime(or carrying any gun around with you, open or not), If this were true, then ghettohs would be safest places on earth.

Except that, no one said that everyone carrying guns = less crime. Rather law abiding citizens allowed to carry and defend themselves will help to lower crime.

[Rottenking]

i think open carry would prevent a bit of crime.

i look at it like this:

if i was going to rob a service station, corner shop ect, i would be more wary doing it will people around visibly showing their small arms, infact it would be a good deterrent.

the fact is illegal guns are out their, they get used, i think people would be less likely to use their guns in violent crime, if their was a good chance they where going to get shot, and morose stop people wielding knives to rob places.

the problem i see tho is the fact you dont want to run the risk of people stealing small arms out of holsters, that could be problematic.

and plus, pistols come in handy.

at work we use rifles alot, for shooting pest animals, to humanly putting down road kill. to shooting a rabbit or sheep for dinner

[Thriller]

okay look, carrying guns around doesn't lead to less crime

If you want to discuss this issue fairly, you have to look at all scenarios. Not just ones you want to make up out of thin air.

You can't say it does reduce crime among law abiding citizens, because law abiding people would naturally follow the law... duh...
Also society isn't made up of just law abiding citizens, it's made up of fat ones, short ones, little ones.... blood thirsty psychopaths.... etc

You're making up examples to fit your theory that have no basis in reality... sophism at its finest.
You want to argue that open carry reduces crime, then give me real world examples... not hypothetical situations where it might work but only in your head.

so here's the facts
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn= ... 241&page=2

despite a large body of research, the committee found no credible evidence that the passage of right-to-carry laws decreases or increases violent crime, and there is almost no empirical evidence that the more than 80 prevention programs focused on gun-related violence have had any effect on children’s behaviour, knowledge, attitudes, or beliefs about firearms.

crime will probably always exist and having bigger boom sticks isn't going to stop it. Unless you decided to nuke everyone on the planet.

what open carry does..... is allow pathetic people to carry around their penis extensions on their hip.

[Jack]

You're making up examples to fit your theory that have no basis in reality... sophism at its finest.

Two customers displaying holstered pistols deterred an armed robbery in a Kennesaw Wafflehouse recently.

Matt Brannan and J.P. Mitchell were dining in the Wafflehouse on Barrett Parkway at I-575 in Kennesaw at 4:45 in the morning recently when a scout for an armed robbery crew entered the restaurant to case it. At the time, Matt and J.P. thought he looked a little suspicious, as he was wandering around the small restaurant like he was looking for someone. Unknown to Matt and J.P., two cars full of armed robbers were parked behind the restaurant waiting for the scout's report.

The scout saw that two of the customers were wearing holstered 1911 Springfield Mil-Spec .45 pistols, and he immediately turned and left the store.

Meanwhile, conscientious Cobb County Police Officer D. Lowe had noticed suspicious cars sitting behind the restaurant in the dark and decided to investigate. He caught men with masks and rifles who had been preparing to rob the Wafflehouse. The criminals informed the police that they had changed their mind upon discovering armed customers and were waiting for Matt and J.P. to leave. Ironically, the police car was pulling in to the parking lot just as Matt and J.P. were driving away. In other words, had Matt and J.P. not been armed, the robbery probably would have occurred before the police intervened.

okay look, carrying guns around doesn't lead to less crime

This doesn't help your case, nor does it hurt the argument for open carry.

You can't say it does reduce crime among law abiding citizens, because law abiding people would naturally follow the law... duh...
Also society isn't made up of just law abiding citizens, it's made up of fat ones, short ones, little ones.... blood thirsty psychopaths.... etc

No one said that, I said it would allow law abiding citizens to defend themselves from criminals. But nice try.

so here's the facts
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn= ... 241&page=2

despite a large body of research, the committee found no credible evidence that the passage of right-to-carry laws decreases or increases violent crime, and there is almost no empirical evidence that the more than 80 prevention programs focused on gun-related violence have had any effect on children’s behaviour, knowledge, attitudes, or beliefs about firearms.

Yeah, not only does that not hurt the open carry argument, it actually helps it.

crime will probably always exist and having bigger boom sticks isn't going to stop it. Unless you decided to nuke everyone on the planet.

No one is claiming that open carry will prevent all crime.

what open carry does..... is allow pathetic people to carry around their penis extensions on their hip.

Resulting to insults when you don't understand something, Thriller? How very primitive and unintelligent of you. Would you like to try again, this time attempting to put forth an intelligent argument?

[Rottenking]

i suppose in an way, open carry is possibly a deterrent for some criminals,

im not saying im a criminal, but if i walked in to any place in the setting of a robbery, or some sort of violence, i would be less likely to do it...knowing someone might draw a gun and shoot me.



now here is something i might also ask. here in Australia for example, if someone broke into my house, and i pulled a gun on them (while they where in the middle of robbing me) and shot them in the leg or something, they could in fact sue me...or i could be charged with a crime.

or even if a robber came in and broke their leg falling down the stairs

is that the case in America?

[Iƒrit]

depends on how good their lawyer is

I seriously doubt someone breaking into your house and getting shot or injuring themselves in some way is gonna win a court case, in the united states that is.

[Psyko]

depends on how good their lawyer is

I seriously doubt someone breaking into your house and getting shot or injuring themselves in some way is gonna win a court case, in the united states that is.

Sadly, it has been known to happen. I only know of hearing a few cases where that happened, and the burglar won the case. As you said, it depends on how good the lawyer is.