was Lady Diana murdered??? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.....

[[KMA]Avenger]

before you vote, lets examine the situation and events that surround her death.


fact, the car she was in on the night of her death had in its past been stolen and recovered.
fact, Henry Paul was on the MI5 books as an informer.
fact, depending on which official report you read, the ambulance that took Di to the nearest hospital took 1 hr and 15 mins to 1hr and 40 mins.
fact, at the 2007 inquest into her death, the judge told the jury that the route the ambulance took to get to the hospital was unclear.
the 1st BIGGEST FACT, Dianas body was embalmed while still warm.
2nd biggest fact, Dodis body was burned also while still warm.
3rd biggest fact: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... ll-me.html one mistake in that report, Diana also sent a copy to her lawyer as well.
4th biggest fact, Camilla Parker Bowels was also involved in a car accident a couple months before Dianas death, CPB fled into the nearby forest (fleeing the scene of an accident in the UK is illegal) claiming she fled because she feared for her life.


anyways, there are WAY to many unanswered questions to list them all at this point.


i only want to discuss if it is indeed possible she was murdered and NOT the why's and who's.

PS, i still have ALL the newspapers from the day of her murder, the first editions state that Dodi had died in the "accident", Diana was critical but alive...


i can post pictures of the papers saying she's alive if anyone wishes.

[MEZZANINE]

There was no Murder committed, possible manslaughter down to negligence but not premeditated murder.

As per the other related thread, even though I dont think this was murder, I do think Diana's conduct in the year before her death was disgusting, and I doubt anyone in the Royal Family ( except her sons ) were sad to see her die. To most of the Royals it was probably a relief to see the public scandals put the rest with her.

[RepliMagni]

i only want to discuss if it is indeed possible she was murdered and NOT the why's and who's.

Of course its possible, but is it likely? For that you have to discuss the why's and who's

[Juliette]

Indeed.. without a 'why', the 'whether' is meaningless.

[Thriller]

If you want to discuss this rationally avenger, you will need to present

1)Motive
2)Opertunity
3)Clear first hand evidence, Or testimony

[[KMA]Avenger]

ok, for those of you who want discuss the why's and who's...feel free


@Thriller:

1, motive.
MANY! but i'll give you just 1 motive. she was travelling the world bringing the horrors of land mines to everyone's attention, even to the point where she persuaded Clinton to make a U-turn and sign the anti-landmine treaty. there's an estimated 200 million anti-personnel (not counting anti-tank mines) land mines deployed throughout the world, and another roughly 200 million stockpiled. an anti-personnel landmine costs about £40...you do the math. this is a case of "the straw that broke the camels back". the Panorama interview she made also helped to seal her fate.

2, opportunity.
as i have said above, a couple weeks prior to her assassination, the car she was in had been stolen. the police had recovered the car 2 or 3 days later and the only things found missing on the car was the cars computer management chip and the rear right passenger door. when the limo company was asked why they supplied that particular car, the inquest where told it was the only one they had available.
in lord Stevens report, witnesses stated that a bike sat broadside prior to the "accident" across the slip road blocking the road, a road Henri Paul needed to take to get to their destination, Dodi's apartment. the report also states that Henri Paul was going to fast, however, Trevor Rees-Jones Dianas bodyguard had clearly stated that there's no way he would have allowed him to drive so fast that he wouldn't have been able to take the slip road. Trevor also said that he and another bodyguard where in the bar with Henri Paul and there's no way they would have let him get behind the wheel if he had been drunk. a search of Henri Paul's home found no alcohol, only bottles of coke.
the day after the "accident" all the media reported that the speedometer had stuck on 192kph on impact, Mercedes say this is impossible because all the speedo's are designed to revert to zero in case of an impact, to date no Merc investigators have been allowed access to the car, this is unprecedented for accidents involving 1 or more Merc's....especially those Mercs used by VIPs.


the ambulance also took 30 mins to arrive at the scene, inexplicably, during this time Diana was left to wait on the roadside while all the other victims were removed from the wreckage before she was put into an ambulance. How could anyone not question why Diana was not immediately airlifted out on an emergency medical helicopter but was instead made to wait and was then driven at a bizarrely slow speed by an ambulance crew who supposedly couldn't find their way back to the hospital?! And this in a major modern city like Paris? Not bloody likely! (The ambulance however did manage to conveniently ditch their police escort).

there's a few witness's prior to the "accident" and after the "accident" but no one has come forward who actually saw the car losing control and the impact itself. some witness's including an off-duty policeman have reported that a white Fiat Uno was seen loitering around the mouth of the tunnel, and Mr. Gary Hunter (a London Based Lawyer) staying in a nearby hotel reported he heard 2 sounds that he described as "explosions" (he's talking about the impact of Di's car, not bombs) so he looked out the window and saw what looked liked to him at the time, a white Fiat Uno type car and a Mercedes bumper to bumper with the Uno speeding away from the tunnel immediately after.

the SAS developed an assassination technique called "The Boston Brakes Method". investigative journalists thought that this was a bit "chancey" because as they described it, "put a bullet in someone's head-their dead, car accident?! they may survive, so they looked into it to see if their were any other instances where the Boston Brakes Method may have been used. what they found was sir Ranulph Fiennes (i believe he also detailed this in a book he wrote but not 100% sure), an ex SAS officer (and close friend to that nasty piece of work-Prince Charles). in his book he revealed this technique was developed by the SAS in Boston (hence the name) northern England.
Air Marshal Sir Peter Horsley (now deceased) has also gone on record saying this technique for assassination has been used for many years. in Sir Peters book (sounds from another room) he says that he was unwittingly involved in such an assassination.
according to Sir Peter, he was driving on the A303 close to Stone Henge when he looked in his rear view mirror and saw a Volvo Estate speeding along so he made way to allow the Volvo to pass. as it passed him he suddenly and without reason-lost control of HIS car. he says that it swerved violently, first one way then the other smacking into the Volvo killing Michael Marman, the real target. what's interesting about that "accident" is just like Dianas accident, investigators where not allowed anywhere near the car.
http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&source=h ... 6d210702e0

link only supplied for your own research (and to show this isn't some made up story) and not to critique mine as i have not looked at any of those links on that page. as i said, do your own background research and you will find that the killing of Diana by car "accident" is NOT without precedent, infact the cars movements is EXACTLY as described for Dianas car, AND princess Grace's car in Monaco. a witness to princess Grace's "accident" said the car was going along when it suddenly and violently swerved first one way then the other.


3, clear first hand evidence, Or testimony,

James Anderson, photographer and known MI6 part-time informant had (if not owned) a white Fiat Uno, Anderson had said that he had confessed to a few of his friends (his friends say it was more of a boast) that he was in the tunnel the night of Dianas "murder", 3 years later, he was found in his burnt out BMW with a bullet hole in his head, and more importantly, he boasted that he had photos of the crash and who was there. the publication office he sold photos to was also broken into and Anderson's portfolio was the only item taken. i think but not sure, the office was also torched.







i don't know if any of you can zoom in on the text on the right hand side but it does say she was semi-concious.
its also a FACT that the ambulance took between 1hr.15 mins to 1hr. 40 mins to get to the hospital. on arrival at the hospital the ambulance parked about 2 mins walk opposite the main entrance where an emergency team sat waiting for the ambulance to finally pull up outside, not a single EMT even bothered to go over and see what was going on....

anyone wish to change their vote?


edit, i also remember that on the that fateful Sunday morning i was fast asleep when Mrs G burst into the room screaming Di was dead, i jumped up and asked what she was on about and she just stood there repeating "the bastards killed her!". i jumped up and rushed to the shop and bought all the papers they had, and for the rest of the day sat glued to the tv. at 1 point a Frenchman said he was at the hospital and saw the ambulance sitting there with the back doors open and the driver and Dr where outside the ambulance smoking and chatting away and he clearly saw it was Di in the back of the ambulance. i've never seen that footage again and a search on youtube hasn't yielded any results so you will just have to take my word for it.

[Juliette]

It cannot be coincidence that the Goddess of the Dawn was murdered a some time after midnight.

[spoiler]

(Dr. Mailliez supplies with oxygen Princess Diana, slightly injured, while CNN & Co. "seriously" set the stage for the murder, while allowing a glimpse at the horrible truth.)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... death.html[/spoiler]

[[KMA]Avenger]

another thing that's striking about her car is that, its supposed to be 4tonnes of reinforced bomb proof car, but looks like any other car would look like in a similar crash.

i used to own a Daimler MK3 Sovereign 4.2 (with the exception of the colour), exactly the same as this one: http://www.daimlerclub.co.uk/images/Dai ... ries3..JPG

i was hit by a truck changing lanes which hooked onto my left side wrap-around section of the bumper and dragged a couple hundred yards, the only damage i suffered after the initial whack was the left wrap-around section of the bumper had been pulled forward and was sticking out allot. when i got back to my warehouse i aimed the damaged section at the warehouse and hit the wall to push the bumper back in, lets just say i thought i was going to bring the warehouse down before the bumper would even move a little. i had to use the rear end of a forklift truck repeatedly smacking into it to push it back into place...the point being, my car was old and rusty and not reinforced.

[MEZZANINE]

LMAO at quoting the Mirror and News of the World as fact, these are known in the UK as gutter press, sensationalised light entertainment not to be taken seriously

As for the state of the car, it is what I would expect from a car of any type hitting a reinforced concrete support pillar at extreme speed. Diana was dead at the scene, she was not declared officially dead until reaching the hospital simply because ambulance paramedics are not allowed to sign death certificates, this happens in accidents everyday where people die but are not officially dead until a doctor certifies it, and time of death is always officially recorded at the time of certification, not the actual time of death.

[[KMA]Avenger]

i never quoted them as fact. all i said was the text says she was "semi-concious", something that has been verified at both the French and British inquiry's. i also said earlier that i had the 1st printing of all the papers and the 2nd editions as well, i simply supplied proof i wasn't lying.


as for the car...well, that's allot more damage than you would expect from a reinforced car travelling at max 60 to 70MPH...remember, your talking about a 4tonne reinforced bomb proof car, not a standard car, i even gave you an example of my personnel experience with an extremely tough car.

who said she was dead at the scene? as stated above, many witness's stated at both the French and British inquiry's she was alive drifting in and out of conciousness, even the doctor said she was alive on arrival but ordered the ambulance to pull over 2mins walk from the hospital because and i quote "she took a turn for the worse"....telling the ambulance to firstly, drive slowly on the way to the hospital, and 2ndly ordering the ambulance to pull over just short of the hospital defies all logic and is unheard of...would you not admit? give me 1 example where an ambulance carrying a severely injured person has pulled over for ANY reason.




edit:

And there are many other fresh concerns raised in this uncompromising cross-examination of the ‘accident theory’, in which the authors assume the roles of prosecuting counsels in what is in effect a ‘people’s inquiry’.

Not least among these concerns is the anomaly surrounding Diana’s seat-belt, which the authors reveal was found by the Operation Paget team to be “jammed in the retracted position” and thus unusable—a fact, like so many others, brushed aside by the Royal Inquest.


Other challenges to the ‘accident theory’ include:

Grave concerns over the coroner’s decision to ignore crucial evidence regarding landmines, the identity of the paparazzi, the Metropolitan Police cover-up of Diana’s recorded statements about perceived threats on her life and communications between Diana, Prince Charles and Prince Philip;


coincidence?...BULL-CRAP!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -full.html

Concerns about Diana’s illegal embalming, which the authors discover was carried out on the orders of a very high-ranking ‘diplomat’ stationed at the British Embassy in Paris on the night of the crash [diplomat named in the book];

The ‘bullet hole’ found in paparazzo James Andanson’s head, discovered and reported by Police Chief Jean-Michel Lauzun at the scene of the MI6 agent’s mysterious ‘suicide’;


accident?! my backside!!!

[Mister Sandman]

no

[harchester]

who cares ???

its in the past let it be done

[Londo Mollari]

who cares ???

its in the past let it be done

exactly

i never cared at the time...i certainly dont care now

[[KMA]Avenger]

i assume you guys are English, if not British?

[Londo Mollari]

i assume you guys are English, if not British?

harch and i live in scotland

my family is english though, so i consider myself british rather than scottish or english