someone needs to slap Israel and the US...BIG TIME!

[Juliette]

ours? who exactly is in the "ours" side, the UK?

Yes.

It was America what started the Saddam war and since we are ally to america we had to join in.

mate, i will stand by previous statement...dont post again unless you know what your talking about!


PS, i also asked if you knew who Mohammed Mosaddeq was....do you?

Yes hes the prime minister of Iran.

He was. Read beyond the first line of the Wiki-article. And Avenger is going for the "OMG THE WEST CREATED THE VILLAIN STATES AND IS NOW MOPPING UP THE MESS".

[LegendaryA]

[-X,

All murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets

Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices.

It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere.

No one new idiocy better than Voltaire and this thread is full of it.

Talking about Voltaire, I'm sure that if he lived now, he would have a LOT to say about radicals, from every religion...
Because the fanatism from muslims of now looks very similar to christian fanatism he criticized (radical christians and how to prevent earthquake in Lisbon chapter from Candid book for example)

[[KMA]Avenger]

ours? who exactly is in the "ours" side, the UK?

Yes.

It was America what started the Saddam war and since we are ally to america we had to join in.

mate, i will stand by previous statement...dont post again unless you know what your talking about!


PS, i also asked if you knew who Mohammed Mosaddeq was....do you?

Yes hes the prime minister of Iran.

He was. Read beyond the first line of the Wiki-article. And Avenger is going for the "OMG THE WEST CREATED THE VILLAIN STATES AND IS NOW MOPPING UP THE MESS".

about wiki, you had to pop my balloon, didnt you?!

as for the rest, wrong, i was going to give him an education about western policies

[Thriller]

@ pops

Yes he would be very outspoken against any who act without thinking. Anyone that when asked why, and can't give a straight answer, can not really be trusted.

Common sense is not so common.

[Hitchkok]

KMA, let me ask you one question.
and i would like a simple yes or no answer.
Assume there was a nation, a member of the UN, that consistently and publicly (in the UN assembly, no less) called for the destruction of the UK, by any means possible.
Assume that this country has given the international community every reason to believe that it is developing nuclear weapons, and will use it for its goals.
One of these goals, i remind you, is the destruction of the UK.

And, please give me a clear cut, yes or no answer, to this question:
Would you or would you not expect the UK government to use any and every means at its disposal to neutralise this threat to its citizens?

[Ashu]

There's a face to everything, and reciprocating their own hateful attitude makes you as liable and guilty of whatever you're accusing them.

[Ra]

Don't be ridiculous, G. "The muslim world never had a problem with us".. really? It all just depends on how far back in history you're willing to go. And since you're willing to go back to the early 1900's, let's go back to the early 600's. When the muslim armies rolled into Europe, crushing culture and religion before them. We retaliated with the crusades, sure. Let's go to the late 1400's, when the muslim armies rolled into Europe AGAIN. We let them have part of Europe, fed and fostered the parasitic element now known as 'Turkey'. We retaliated much later, when we crushed the Ottoman Empire and created our Western foothold Israel. And now? What do we get for our leniency? We allow their horrendous religion to paralyse and defile Europe and the West out of some shameful cowardice, ashamed of our culture, ashamed of our history? Do you see the muslims repent? No.. they continue their advance. Your country has been broken and conquered in spirit already, by allowing sharia. When the political conquest is complete, you will finally wake up and see what has happened.

Obliterate them all. Wipe them from the face of the earth, until no man shall EVER bear the name of Allah on his lips. Let the Black Rock burn, and crucify the insurgence.


How is THAT for an 'exit strategy'. We're too **Filtered** weak in our resolve. Too damned scared to break a few eggs to get that omelet ready.

i expected this response from you...

ok, so if we are holding grudges which are centuries old, by that logic we should just obliterate Germany and Japan for what they did to the world...and dont tell me its not the same, of course it is!

No cause germany and japan done that to control the world on 1 country.

I agreed what germany did apart from the jew part.

Every country is trying to take over the planet but they are useing different tactics to do so.

Middle east is to destroy and kill all weastern people.
Europe to bring countries together under 1 bannor.
America through diplomacy
Asia through wealth.

lol... So, what about the Germans murdering gypsies, POW's, homosexuals, the mentally ill.. etc etc. Do you agree with that part?

Do you actually know anything about history or the world.

[Thriller]

Julliette is just upset because the Lolland government doesn't have a backbone.

[[KMA]Avenger]

KMA, let me ask you one question.
and i would like a simple yes or no answer.
Assume there was a nation, a member of the UN, that consistently and publicly (in the UN assembly, no less) called for the destruction of the UK, by any means possible.
Assume that this country has given the international community every reason to believe that it is developing nuclear weapons, and will use it for its goals.
One of these goals, i remind you, is the destruction of the UK.

And, please give me a clear cut, yes or no answer, to this question:
Would you or would you not expect the UK government to use any and every means at its disposal to neutralise this threat to its citizens?

in reality, cant give you a yes or no answer because its not that simple...


now, hypothetically speaking...yes, i would expect the entire civilised world to neutralize such a threat...HOWEVER...with the exception of them making it publicly known they want the west's destruction, all of the above is not true, they have no nuke and no way of producing a nuke...so your question is pointless since you obviously set out to prove a point (something that hasn't escaped me when i wrote the opening post) and didn't....unless you have proof they have a nuke or the capacity to produce one?


anyways, you forget, Iran isnt a push over like Afghan and Iraq, these guys have trade deals with Russia and China, and unless you guys back off, this generation will sooner or later be facing ist own "Cuban missile crises" because you guys don't know when to quit!

[MEZZANINE]

lol lets just kill everyone who was indoctrinated with different ideals, values, and beliefs to us, first start with the religious nuts, then the different ideologies, then the different ethnicity, then those who speak different languages and so on until we kill each other for having different musical tastes


Ever heard the theory that we all just programmed machines, our programming is our upbringing, our education, our environment, if I was born in the middle east I would be just like them, by random chance I was born in the UK so I am as I am. We dont chose to hate or disapprove of those different so it's really not our fault if we want their primitive ways destroyed, or their fault if they want us godless heathens to covert or die. I like this theory, it's a great cop out

[Hitchkok]

KMA, let me ask you one question.
and i would like a simple yes or no answer.
Assume there was a nation, a member of the UN, that consistently and publicly (in the UN assembly, no less) called for the destruction of the UK, by any means possible.
Assume that this country has given the international community every reason to believe that it is developing nuclear weapons, and will use it for its goals.
One of these goals, i remind you, is the destruction of the UK.

And, please give me a clear cut, yes or no answer, to this question:
Would you or would you not expect the UK government to use any and every means at its disposal to neutralise this threat to its citizens?

in reality, cant give you a yes or no answer because its not that simple...


now, hypothetically speaking...yes, i would expect the entire civilised world to neutralize such a threat...HOWEVER...with the exception of them making it publicly known they want the west's destruction, all of the above is not true, they have no nuke and no way of producing a nuke...so your question is pointless since you obviously set out to prove a point (something that hasn't escaped me when i wrote the opening post) and didn't....unless you have proof they have a nuke or the capacity to produce one?


anyways, you forget, Iran isnt a push over like Afghan and Iraq, these guys have trade deals with Russia and China, and unless you guys back off, this generation will sooner or later be facing ist own "Cuban missile crises" because you guys don't know when to quit!

you said "have no nuke, and no way of producing a nuke".
well, the UN seems to differ on this point.

you said "with the exception of them making it known that they want the west's destruction".
well, they made it known that they want Israel's destruction. why should Israel agree to that? should Israel be for Iran what Czechoslovakia was for Nazi germany?

and again, if Iran consistently and publicly called for the destruction of the UK (as it does with Israel), under the current situation you describe, you would expect the UK to "back off" or "quit" (and, pray tell, "back off" or "quit" what exactly?)?

[Thriller]

Quit not thinking about the consequences of your actions.

[TimeGap]

lol lets just kill everyone who was indoctrinated with different ideals, values, and beliefs to us, first start with the religious nuts, then the different ideologies, then the different ethnicity, then those who speak different languages and so on until we kill each other for having different musical tastes


Ever heard the theory that we all just programmed machines, our programming is our upbringing, our education, our environment, if I was born in the middle east I would be just like them, by random chance I was born in the UK so I am as I am. We dont chose to hate or disapprove of those different so it's really not our fault if we want their primitive ways destroyed, or their fault if they want us godless heathens to covert or die. I like this theory, it's a great cop out

My money is on headbangers to rule the world...

[Hitchkok]

Quit not thinking about the consequences of your actions.

Please answer the same question i asked KMA.
But replace UK with Canada

[Juliette]

Julliette is just upset because the Lolland government doesn't have a backbone.

I don't doubt that contributes to my point of view, yes.