looking at our society through a microscope.

[Captain Teague]

All im going to say is Governments only think about money.

Liar.

Err no its true and your to foolish to see that.

If someone is dieing they always bring in the money side.

Like cancer they think they need money to cure cancer hu no you do not you dont need money to think.

So you would have the scientists work for free? Forgive me while I crash in a fit of laughter at that ridiculous idea. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Er yes cause you dont need money to do stuff.The first humans on earth did stuff without money so why cant we?

Goverments are greedy little fools behind a desk telling us how to do stuff.Who gives them the right to tell us what to do with our lives?

The fact that you, Altair, cannot govern yourself responsibly, and have given your vote to whoever you voted for. (Which I know, in your case, is no one.. but in 6 years or so, when you'll be allowed to vote, you will.)


Hu a good mod you are im 17 years of age so get your facts right missy.

They put money on everything food,watertax,car insaurance,gas,energy.

Gee, I wonder why. Maybe because power plants don't magically maintain themselves? Maybe because roads don't fix holes themselves? Maybe because water doesn't purify itself in sufficient quantity? Maybe because the world is full of morons who love nothing better but to crash their cars into people? Maybe because gas doesn't magically appear in your heating system?

You can do all of that without money.

You dont need money to hit someone do you or go to the toilet or even watch your brother being born.

Money is pethetic.

Hell they even want money to go to war.

You are being ridiculous, and you know it.

Not really again your to foolish to see it.

I could make a table for someone and be happy but if you ask the goverment to do the same thing they'll ask for money first.

You realise you'll die because your baker doesn't take pity on your poverty and homelessness, right? Making tables is fine, dieing of hunger and sickness isn't. And you will. Because your community won't give a damn. Once everyone has a table, you're dead weight.

Im on earth what produces food and water why would i need to give money to the government to buy food and water when its around me all the time?

To me money is pethetic and we can do way lot more without it.
Think where we would be if money didnt exist.Think of what technology,history of this world etc.

John Lennon did. Look what it got him. Dead.

*keeps laughing at the ridiculous ideas*

Hu well look at your stupid comments,looks like a 5 year old did that.

[Juliette]

All im going to say is Governments only think about money.

Liar.
Err no its true and your to foolish to see that.

Altair, you don't read what I said. You are a liar, because you say "All I am going to say is.." and then you say like twenty different things.

Oh, and next time you try to insult me, try using that braincell of yours? It shows when you don't use it.
Might also help with your world view.. it's the view of a kid on a sugar rush. Maybe it's just you, the way you put it.. but I've seen rats with better judgement. Anyway, please keep this thread on topic, and don't derail it with your personal vendettas and attempts at insults, Altair. Seriously man, what's wrong with you?

[LegendaryA]

If someone is dieing they always bring in the money side.

Like cancer they think they need money to cure cancer hu no you do not you dont need money to think.

So you would have the scientists work for free? Forgive me while I crash in a fit of laughter at that ridiculous idea. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Er yes cause you dont need money to do stuff.The first humans on earth did stuff without money so why cant we?

Read my previous post.

[[KMA]Avenger]

@O_Altair_O:

who says we don't need money?! you going to work for food and resources alone, or are you suggesting we revert to a barter system of trade? how is that going to fix the world?

i ain't just talking about the economy here.

[Thriller]

He only wants to get rid of money because he doesnt have any.

[[KMA]Avenger]

sounds about right...he would make an excellent Globalist/Elitist..."if i cant have the world, then you cant either!".


<<<??? he might like the idea, but i ain't chasing chickens for my food!

[Hitchkok]

when i think about it, our "modern" post industrial society throughout the world has not known peace in a VERY long time.
depressions, food shortages, inflation, deflation, political incompetence, job losses and shut down of whole industrial sectors and nations industrial capacity's, fake and weak leadership, wars, famine and starvation, world wide ignorance of what's really going on, and this view of "everything that's happening in the world is normal because that's what we are born into" is shear madness! that last bit can only truly be understood by those old enough to have lived the transition of the past 30 years, and seen the MASSIVE swing of power from the people to the powers that be.
i saw a couple years ago a scientific report carried out on people watching the news. the conclusion of the report was that people cannot hold onto more than 2 crises at a time...no wonder people are stupid and swallow whole what's spoon fed to us by the Govt and the corporate controlled media, its because they cant remember yesterdays news!


people are fracking sleeping in every way, not just about the NWO, but everything, take the recent UK budget, i've seen people on the TV saying in not so many words-either "oh well, **Filtered** happens", or "if that's what it takes to get the economy back on track, then that's what it takes", the question thats been on my mind since the lib/con coalition Govt took power in the UK and now even more so with this ridiculous excuse for a budget is this...HOW FRACKING STUPID CAN PEOPLE GET?!?!

the saddest thing in all this is that most people think the world is normal and this is how it should be...IT IS FAR FROM FRACKING NORMAL!!!

here are some things we HAVEN'T seen in the last couple of centuries:
1) World wide famine.
2) World wide plague.
3) 5% as an acceptable rate of litteracy

and a couple we haven't seen in the last century:
1) Slavery as an acceptable social structure.
2) 40 years as an acceptable life expectancy
3) 40% as an acceptable rate of deaths during child-birth.

and those are just to name a couple.
i could go on, but this examples should clarify my point:
the western world is far better off today than it has ever been.
the latest depression?
nothing compared to some of the famine eras pre-industrial Europe went through.
swine flu?
nothing compared to the black plague.

war, i'll give you that, we've become more proficient at.
but to answer youre question, is it normal?
hell no.
it's far better.

[Thriller]

How are you measuring the utility though hitch.
Does living longer = better?
Is their less suffering in the world, now that we can treat infections and give vaccines?
Higher lvls of edjucation denote progress?

Would those things you outlined apply globally for just encompass NA, and EU... other developed places.?

[MEZZANINE]

As for the new UK budget, yes the poor will take the brunt of the cuts/taxes, again nothing new, and it does have to be done, if the UK went on borrowing and spending we would simply go bankrupt. Our population is to high and we all want more than we can afford, well to bad, despite what the politicians wanting power say, their promises are simply unsustainable.

what if there was a better way and all it would take to implement is for people to tell the Govt in one voice "give us what we want or else!"....or is it to much for people to stand together in nationalistic pride?
i'm not just talking about the UK here.

Ahhh KMA you are so good at times, you never fail to make me smile.

You rant is nothing more than seeing vipers in every nest, if you've failed to understand that statement perhaps this will help;

You are seeing what you want to see, which is why you find soooo many conspiracies.

Face if KMA, people dont sleep through life instead they pick & choose their battles and limit what they do to those things they can affect rather than things that will carry on regardless. Its called discretion, learning some will help you no end

mate, i understand what your saying but your not getting what i said, it has nothing to do with "finding vipers in every nest". it has everything to do with the worlds economy going down the crapper, our money dwindling because of mismanagement of public funds from 1 successive Govt after another while we sit back and watch with smug assuredness "thats how its meant to be", wait long enough and you will see what i mean.
i witnessed thatchers Govt destroyed and yet the conservatives still remained in power for 2 more terms even when the public could see it was wasn't working because people even just a few years ago remember the labour Govt prior to thatchers nearly bankrupting Britain...did that stop people voting Tony Blairs "new Labour" back into power when they were disillusioned enough with John Major and the conservatives?! the same things happened again and yet people wont call a halt to the whole thing and clear them all out of parliament completely. you watch, the same crap is going to happen again!

Capitalism runs in cycles of boom and bust, the economies of today where false values are assigned to things like property, people borrow against these false values then when no-one can afford to buy, the values drop in a market crash, we blame whichever party is in power, vote in the opposition party into power and cycle starts over. For all it's flaws at least the change of power in democracies is bloodless, in other forms of government the change itself can be highly destructive. And so what if those with money and power placate the masses with lies and false promises, the carrot is better than the stick, and the alternative to carrots and sticks in anarchy, and return to darwinism

But it's not just the way of things today, it just happens faster now. Human nature is greed, always wanting more, expand, colonise, exploit, but all expansion is unsustainable since we have finite land and resources, whether it be the empires of old conquering to the point where they cant hold their conquests or the populations of countries, or even the world. Hence why the human race like our economies is doomed. Even if a plague or war vastly reduced the population and amounts of resources needed to sustain them, it would all just start expanding again. Unless you suggest a closed loop system where we are all just cogs in a pointless machine, one birth for one death, the set amount of people to jobs and whole lives mapped out & planned before birth, autonomism without even the illusion of freedom or simplest choices to satisfy our discussions of free will

Like I said before, dont be fooled into working your life away to buy the crap the adverts and governments tell you will make you happy, dont try to look at the big picture or try to fix a fundamentally flawed existence, dont be fooled by the propaganda that tells you that being a good little worker ant or drone bee will get you somewhere, just live for today and enjoy what time you got

Damn I really shouldnt smoke and type, it all reads back a bit too much like a brain fart

[Hitchkok]

How are you measuring the utility though hitch.
Does living longer = better?
Is their less suffering in the world, now that we can treat infections and give vaccines?
Higher lvls of edjucation denote progress?

Would those things you outlined apply globally for just encompass NA, and EU... other developed places.?

as we well know (although, some try very hard to forget), those things does not apply globally. they do, however, apply for more people than ever before.
our lives are longer, fuller, easier and more fulfilling than they were ever before.
yes, living longer is living better (as evident by the fact that people cling to life by every means possible).
yes, treating infections and vaccinating reduce the suffering in the world (and again, look back to the baubonic plague, the black plague, maleria, the spanish flu and so many more disseases we no longer suffer. note that AIDS is now considered a chronicall dissease, and not a fatal one (in the west, at least). remember SARS and the swine flu? it's medicines and vaccines that prevented them from wiping a large precentage of the world population).
yes, of course higher levels of education denotes progress. some might say it's the very definition of it.

i'm not saying everything's dandy. but in comparison to a couple hundred years ago? we're in heaven.

[Thriller]

I just wanted you to elaborate to make it harder for avenger to reply. with his nonsense.

You like my softball questions?

[KnowLedge]

are you saying we arent living in a normal sociaty?

what NORMAL is depends on the person and their life.. for a child in canada, its not normal to live like they do in afganistan..
for a person who has been working in the same factory for 40 years, its not normal for them to change jobs every 2 months..

[[KMA]Avenger]

i've had enough of reading the same old tired and dead wrong Cliché "but we are living longer" crap!

if you guys put half as much energy into research as you do into your witty and cleverly worded responses you would find that child mortality was MUCH higher in the "old" days and those statistics were fed into the numbers to make it seem as though we lived shorter lives when in fact its the other way around.

as we all know, infant mortality was higher yes, BUT if a child made it past the age of ten they would easily live into their 80's.

[Hitchkok]

i've had enough of reading the same old tired and dead wrong Cliché "but we are living longer" crap!

if you guys put half as much energy into research as you do into your witty and cleverly worded responses you would find that child mortality was MUCH higher in the "old" days and those statistics were fed into the numbers to make it seem as though we lived shorter lives when in fact its the other way around.

as we all know, infant mortality was higher yes, BUT if a child made it past the age of ten they would easily live into their 80's.

no, no no no.
you see, you higlighted the wrong key word.
what you meant to say was "IF a child made it past the age of ten etc."
and i'm not quite sure your statistics check out anyhow.

[Thriller]

i've had enough of reading the same old tired and dead wrong Cliché "but we are living longer" crap!

if you guys put half as much energy into research as you do into your witty and cleverly worded responses you would find that child mortality was MUCH higher in the "old" days and those statistics were fed into the numbers to make it seem as though we lived shorter lives when in fact its the other way around.

as we all know, infant mortality was higher yes, BUT if a child made it past the age of ten they would easily live into their 80's.

They don't

http://www.utexas.edu/depts/classics/do ... /Life.html