Nox/Realm Alert - Discussion

[Mathlord]

While I understand the frustrations with respect to nox (I feel them all the time), having nox on in a fight changes the game from button mashing and repairing to a game of strategy and seeing how you can hit your opponents. For once I actually agree with bebita on something

[dark lord tacoma]

i dont like the war declaration thing but the rest i can live with

[buck]

Massing someone who had nox on at 0 before, meant that, too successfully mass, you had an extra few hits at the end of said mass, assumeing they were offline (massing someone online with nox didnt really work)

Now it seems massing someone Offline with nox on, is equally as impossible, i seem to have noticed, that there are not enough attacks avaliable, if they are on crit, to successfully finish the job in one turn.

Am i wrong, working it out wrongly, or they are infact not starting on 0? Someone, please tell me im going insane. And that this isnt infact a fact.

[MaxSterling]

I actually think it's pretty awesome, simply because I can't stand people that only mass others when they're offline. Now if they wanna do it, it's costly and they need to be determined to finish them off. I highly doubt you will see one player massing an entire alliance anymore, either.

Now it requires a team effort to mass people.

[Sarevok]

Also means, you can mass them to say 75% before Nox takes affect, then you can sab their weapons more effectively, and finish the job, with lots of AC to finish the massing AND AC as well still.

Also means that you can sab them, get someone else to do some more, and make the final massing even easier. Promote teamwork.

[buck]

I am all for teamwork, but i should be able to whip a mans ass when i see fit. Right now thats impossible.

[Sarevok]

Try sabotaging them before phasing them. Or sabotage after you've mostly massed, and have some AC trained for the final few hits to try to kill off some spies. Then you can sabotage with less guys, and probably finish off the defence.

[buck]

No no no, Not an option, this is WAYYYY too defensive.

You cannot mass someone inside the amount of attacks if they are on Nox and critical, you can sab them better sure, but whats to stop the old idea of, bigish defence, and LOADS of spies. Now defences are even better protected, this will work even better than before (when at a push it was rather difficult to work with, now its downright madness) . ABove this is the fact that you can simply Drop nox while you mass/farm, then Up nox when your ready to defend. Good god almighty, defences could stand for months!

[Sarevok]

AC through the tiny defence?

[bebita]

WHATS IS THE FUN IF DEF CANNOT BE MASSED
SPY CANNOT BE TAKEN
AND TURNS ARE SPENT FOR NOTHING?
Strike Action: 130,041,676,800
Defensive Action 2,255,216,188,800
Covert Action: 786,543,676,361
AntiCovert Action 0
Covert Skill: 31
Covert Operatives: 4000000
Military Stats
Strike Action: 130,041,676,800
Defensive Action 209,248,917,562
Covert Action: 32,940,645,802
AntiCovert Action 0
Covert Skill: 31
Covert Operatives: 167521

AND PHASED
ADMIN can u change gatewars in gatepeace?
is more apropiatte this name

[MEZZANINE]

WHATS IS THE FUN IF DEF CANNOT BE MASSED
SPY CANNOT BE TAKEN
AND TURNS ARE SPENT FOR NOTHING?
Strike Action: 130,041,676,800
Defensive Action 2,255,216,188,800
Covert Action: 786,543,676,361
AntiCovert Action 0
Covert Skill: 31
Covert Operatives: 4000000
Military Stats
Strike Action: 130,041,676,800
Defensive Action 209,248,917,562
Covert Action: 32,940,645,802
AntiCovert Action 0
Covert Skill: 31
Covert Operatives: 167521

AND PHASED
ADMIN can u change gatewars in gatepeace?
is more apropiatte this name

This is very very VERY rare, I agree with Bebs

There have been several suggestions for making def worth having like linking def to other stats so you have to have say a 1 trill def to use a 2 trill strike etc. And my own suggestion of a fatigue meter to stop 1 person massing a whole alliance.

This new Nox limit justs mean you need high covert levels to sab instead, admin you just killed 'massing'

[bebita]

surpise
i spent 3 hours to mass someone and over 2 k turns
his account with the lost of my 2.7 mil acers is down to 67 k spy
def?
untouched almost
my luck that i used sabs to mass half of his weps
Strike Action: 130,041,676,800
Defensive Action 24,200,587,728
Covert Action: 13,211,377,496
AntiCovert Action 0
Covert Skill: 31
Covert Operatives: 67187
16:41 xxx Attack defended 15 10,265 100,521 756,521,011,305 880,973,886,000 details
nope u are wrong
he is not online alliance leadder probably saved his weps and bring his def back
3 hours spent for nothing
there is no fun in this
goodluck on massings guys
don't follow bebita who say is not worthing to spend turns to mass others because is no use in that
-bebita-
the noob of massing
16:24 xxx 0 Naquadah stolen 15 1,463,484 22,949 754,141,819,488 907,352,139,210 details
u can quit the game mate if u lost 9 mil super in 3 minutes and 10 attacks

[renegadze]

OMG I too agree with Bebita

Currently a person phases at 1500 sucessful AT's used on them. I believe to 0 a def it takes 2k AT's

There is also no correlation between the size of def and turns needs (I think this might have always been the case...but it's wrong). As an example it took me 2k turns to mass a 400bil def....it also took 2k turns to mass a 1tril+ def

trying to mass someone that is online is an almost impossible task now (assuming they have an ounce of intelligence)

and finally......sabbing is a lot more powerful now...which is great. But when someone covert phases, and the turn ticks over you don't always have the ability to sab again....and at best you only get 1 more attempt (I thought this was always previously 4?). As said you don't even get this 1 attempt everytime...seems to be a lottery

[Sarevok]

and finally......sabbing is a lot more powerful now...which is great. But when someone covert phases, and the turn ticks over you don't always have the ability to sab again....and at best you only get 1 more attempt (I thought this was always previously 4?). As said you don't even get this 1 attempt everytime...seems to be a lottery

Last time i tried, i couldn't ever do it the turn after phase, and the second turn after, i could only ever do it a maximum of 2x.

[bebita]

and finally......sabbing is a lot more powerful now...which is great. But when someone covert phases, and the turn ticks over you don't always have the ability to sab again....and at best you only get 1 more attempt (I thought this was always previously 4?). As said you don't even get this 1 attempt everytime...seems to be a lottery

sabbing is great and always been like that
only % of sabbing is changed and i bellieve is a litllte to high
i turn 4 tril attack in 150 bil and i bellieve is kinda to much