Buck vs Ben

[Neimenljivi]

Go bambi, this will be an easy fight for ya to win

[buck]

Gigs was indeed the catalist to physically starting the war yes, But Ben, your farming and mini massing is the reason for hostilities beginning, After i specifically told everyone NOT to. I let that go at the time, thought a little war would be fun, Didnt expect you to run from it though. I thought a hell of a lot better of you. Then what you said about me on the nemesis forum was downright offensive.

I have no reason to fear your threats, If nemesis decide to attack you, because you betrayed them all, Then i sure as hell wont be stopping them.

I'm declareing war on you personally for being a traitor, A coward, and for betraying me on one of the deepest levels anyone could. I could care less for rules, end dates, etc. You can jump from account to account all you want, Until you apoligise for your words and cowardness, You will simply be obliterated.

Oh, and change the title to buck vs ben, I declared war on you, not the other way around.

[BenjaminMS]

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[Tek]

And your first instinct was to make all this public, and make THAT post on the nem forums rather then offer solutions?

My absence has been a long one, and i hope that the above isnt the case benji, i held you in higher regard then that.

[BenjaminMS]

Pfft... Tek. When I found out about the total picture (two days ago), it was a biittt late for solutions.
As for the post, I posted about the darn same thing on the NEmpire forums (although a bit more rude at some points), and I got permabanned. Figure that one. If Phil hadn't set me to war last overnight, this wouldn't have happened. Hell, if he hadn't decided to insult me each post since my post on the NEmpire forums, we could have talked about it. I sure as hell wouldn't have returned, at least I would have been open to talking about it.
Sorry, but if when you get permabanned on the NEmpire forums get the parting words 'Idiot' and insults in each post, makes me release this - and the fact that I am keeping on getting blamed for the war.

I help always the best I can, but the decisions made by especially Buck made me doubt the past month, and the news about the stuff of how the House got handled, just sped it up by an factor 100. I'd have left after the Mh war, but the news I received past months... I certainly understand if errors are made, but those are not errors anymore... it's way beyond that.

@ Harch: I don't care anymore. One alliance I like is going afk due to RL stuff, and the other alliance I like is crashing itself down due to its own command. Think what you will, but when TOR comes out, I am outta this game for good.

[LegendaryA]

Sad to learn there's such troubles between people in empire I was into.

[ƒëmmë ƒatalë]

This morning Harchester PMed me a few times, and although it made slightly more clear about the agreement between NS and RWL, I still think it is a very flawed plan. What the plan of RWL and Buck is? That RWL 'hands over' command Science to NS. Isn't that interesting... how can you 'hand over' without convincing the majority of them to vote for NS. There are a few alliances I won't see vote for NS that quickly...

and what/how would Ricos benefit from handing over?

[Tek]

I have no sympathy Ben, you state youve seen errors yet you remained tight lipped. Personally, i was always forthwright with you no matter the issue and youve instead chosen to let this culminate in a messy, unsavoury affair.

Im not angry, disapointed or even suprised. Its become a routine situation to have people whos loyalty to nem is conditional to their own expectations without ever truely offering a different perspective.

I am however very sad that you and buck have ended up coming to blows over this, so maybe when im better i can do something to help that situation. Maybe not. Case done as far as im concerned.

[Scar Face]

Smoke him Ben

[R8]

I see a few problems here.

your first and biggest mistake is you beleive in rumours, you decided to act on them without even knowing if they are true or not.

your second is trying to second guess what other allainces are planning to do based on talking to unreliable sources and not focusing on your own alliance actions and decisions.

your third is making it public instead of maybe asking/talking to the right people.

there are no sides to be picked just sort it out i would say or rather i would have sorted it out ebfore it even got here

[BenjaminMS]

I see a few problems here.

your first and biggest mistake is you beleive in rumours, you decided to act on them without even knowing if they are true or not.

your second is trying to second guess what other allainces are planning to do based on talking to unreliable sources and not focusing on your own alliance actions and decisions.

your third is making it public instead of maybe asking/talking to the right people.

there are no sides to be picked just sort it out i would say or rather i would have sorted it out ebfore it even got here

That's just an LOL.... I had talked with several people about it... granted, some facts aren't perhaps 100% sure, but to say it this way, 'the pattern is buried within the data'. I had talks with people, I checked the ingame logs about the alliances/houses etc...
Edited something out

[Lord Yojimbo]

Disgraceful....I thought our chat yesterday had shed at least some light on the matters that you were concernd with....
Still you have shown your colours now by publicly displaying private info twisted with your own conclusions based on here say and inaccurate postulation

Try and keep the fight clean at least lads - I can see this thread getting worse tho

[Juliette]

Try and keep the fight clean at least lads - I can see this thread getting worse tho

If it does, I will lay my vengeance upon the offenders, regardless of their justification.

[GrizzZzzly]

TL were never planning to go to science. That would make no sense with 11 people UnKnown and more members closely behind in ascensions.

[BenjaminMS]

TL were never planning to go to science. That would make no sense with 11 people UnKnown and more members closely behind in ascensions.

Exactly my point... why did NEmpire then count on TL?