a mans home should be his castle...

[[KMA]Avenger]

and all of us have the right to defend the castle and our family's...1stly, do you agree with that?


http://blackpoliticalthought.blogspot.c ... eorge.html

incidents like that in the article have for the past 15+ years (at least) are all to frequent these days (imho of course).

about 10 years ago i had a BMW and my mechanic at the time was a BMW specialist. i had taken my car to have the engine rebuilt, after a couple weeks he called me and told me the car was ready, the next day i went to collect the car to find police sniffer dogs and CID all over the mechanics yard. the garage was REALLY big with 100's of thousands of pounds worth of cars, parts and tools which had all been cleaned out (which is why CID was there), with the exception of mine and 3 other cars. the mechanic was completely distraught since this was the 3rd time he had been broken into. in a passing comment he swore and said he'd had enough and was going to get dogs and let them loose in the yard, at that point one of the CID grabbed him by the arm and pulled him to one side while all the other police were giving the mechanic some really menacing looks. the CID officer says to the mechanic and i quote since i was there and heard it "dont ever say that around another copper again!!! what you wanna do is get your dogs and put em on ropes NOT chains, cut the ropes and fray the ends so it looks like the dogs chewed through and let them loose. make sure they have collars and a bit of rope on it, otherwise you'll be done if anyone gets hurt, regardless if the thieves press charges or not".


this is happening all to often where the victim has the tables turned and is treated as the criminal. god help anyone who breaks into my home, but if i do anything to a perp i know i'll be done for it, thats just wrong on every level.

anyways, thoughts.

[[KMA]Avenger]

*is stumped for a reply with regards to the man and the van! *


its not just America that has this problem mate.


if memory serves, a few years back a British family man found a burglar in his home late at night. fearing what this man was there to do he took a bat and beat the guy. if memory serves further he broke the burglars arm and floored him. the family man called the police and when the police arrived they arrested him and charged him with GBH and i believe he was sent to prison for it while the burglar got off scott free...

maybe KF will remember the incident and correct me if wrong.

edit, i cant seem to find any info on the above incident but here's another one thats similar to the above:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds ... 413787.stm

[Kit-Fox]

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[[KMA]Avenger]

To clarify as I think this is gonna go the 'PC gone mad' route.

^i bloody well hope not


and just how many instances of criminals getting away with all sorts, while the victims are the ones who are treated as the criminal have their been in resent memory?! to many in my opinion mate.

[Kit-Fox]

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[[KMA]Avenger]

i agree, my bad if i came across that i dont but nearly every month i read an instance where the victim is made the culprit.

[Kit-Fox]

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[~Thamuz~]

The simple answer is to keep a blade well hidden somewhere you know you will always have access to it.

Then if you find an intruder in your home, dont try to disarm them or give them a chance to get away, you swing your knife like a baseball bat & aim for the neck

When the cops come all you need to do is say you feared for your life & took steps to make sure your life was safe.

No judge or jury in the land will ever convict you based on that.

Oh and if possible dont talk to the cops except to confirm your name/address until you've spoken to your lawyer

EDIT; Translation: You kill them & you kill them stone dead straight away, no matter what they look like or what they look like they are doing. That is the only way to be sure of protecting yourself without the law being an ass towards you

Then you turn on the light and find out its your brother inlaw who had gained access with a key given to you by your wife who told him to come round when he had finished work to pick up his dvd's you'd borrowed. Or its the police who have come a calling coz they noticed your door was left open. Great advise there mate. LMAO.

[Kit-Fox]

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[~Thamuz~]

Well I am sort of assuming you can recognise your own family & know who has access to your buildings and at what sort of times they are going to be entering & exiting your buildings.

Besides why would your brother in law be trying to gain access to your house in the middle of the night?? If its during the day one would assume you would recognise them instantly if they are known to you.


Come on, keep up eh? Or am I assuming to much in thinking everyone here can make the same logical jumps & realise that applies to intruders who you wouldnt recognise at all.

Oh i missed the bit where you said it was the middle of the day and we all know that most house robberies take place in the day! Your brother inlaw was told to come round after he finished work by your wife mate and she was in bed when you got home, he was given a key so as not to wake the family.
This is just one of a hundred other scenario's where the end of it is you strike without evaluating and end up killing a family friend or relative. Come on keep up, try to give some good advice not advise that only applies in a few scenario's out of hundreds.

[Kit-Fox]

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[~Thamuz~]

Its advice that apllies if you want to protect yourself from intruders & the law at the same time. Of course if your not worried about intruders then dont pay any attention. Or if you have lots of people calling at inappropiate time with any prior warning of arrangements then again dont pay any attetion.

However your scenario still falls down as you seem to indicate that you would have no warning ( not even a note? I mean come on?? ), which is pretty much unthinkable in these days & who exactly calls round to a house they dont live in and lets themselves in without announcing themselves once immediately inside the door?? (or when the family is asleep for that matter?? )

Seriously if thats the best strawman you can come up with i'm just not gonna bother, your clutching at straws and you know it (or you should)

And if thats not enough, I direct you my sig, if you dont like what I write place me on your ignore (foes) list and pass my posts by entirely.

Lol, great reply mate, your just going by your own circumstances and not the the majority, i like reading your posts mate, mostly there well constructed answers, then other times like your great advice from a few posts from above just make me laugh at the holes and flaws and sheer absurdity of the answer/advice when applied in the real world.

[[KMA]Avenger]

now now gents, lets all take a deep breath...

why is it when people on these boards post something someone else comes along and does their utmost to rip certain statements to pieces instead of using some common sense and sticking to the points and questions at hand, thereby giving the threads a long and excruciatingly slow death?


lets stick to the topic shall we.

[~Thamuz~]

now now gents, lets all take a deep breath...

why is it when people on these boards post something someone else comes along and does their utmost to rip certain statements to pieces instead of using some common sense and sticking to the points and questions at hand, thereby giving the threads a long and excruciatingly slow death?


lets stick to the topic shall we.

That is the nature of a debate is it not? and all that was discussed between me and Kit-Fox comes under the discussion at hand and your first post asking for "Thoughts"

[Z E R O]

now now gents, lets all take a deep breath...

why is it when people on these boards post something someone else comes along and does their utmost to rip certain statements to pieces instead of using some common sense and sticking to the points and questions at hand, thereby giving the threads a long and excruciatingly slow death?


lets stick to the topic shall we.

That is the nature of a debate is it not? and all that was discussed between me and Kit-Fox comes under the discussion at hand and your first post asking for "Thoughts"

Yeah... I'm agreeing with Thamuz here...

The debate section is for just that... debate.

Someone always has to play the devil's advocate.