Recreational Drugs - Should they be legal ?

[Iƒrit]

acually you dont have to smoke it, ThC can be taken in pill form and also ingested by cooking it into foods...........

just some food for thought

or how aboout a vaporizor?
also all the other postive effect that come from legalizing weed....

EDIT: and yes if it was legalized I would smoke it more, yes im biased. YES I love weed, whats it to you?

[Kit-Fox]

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[Rocky]

as i said before i guess all that lovely information there makes smoking so much better. Concentrate on smoking or illegal drugs, are they necessary?? like for example how transport is necessary for us?
Also
Unless you live in Tokyo in the middle of the City and walk 2hours a day through traffic lights to work to and fro i doubt that traffic is more dangerous than smoking.

Id like some proof before i believe that.

No they arent required for life. On that basis the following would be banned;

Television/Film
Fiction Books (in fact anything that isnt some soft of factual book like a manual or dictionary type of book)
All kinds of music
many types of clothes (after all how many do you really need for life?)
Personal Computers
PDAs/Smarthpones
GPS (you can read a map right?)

Shall I go on or is the point getting across?

are they all as harmful as smoking or other illegal drugs?

[Rocky]

again id like some proof,
"The first global study into the effects of passive smoking has found it causes 600,000 deaths every year."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11844169

thats 600,000people who die because someone else smoked.
and the point is that its not necessary, at all, ever.

this is just passive smoking though,

33 percent to 50 percent of all smokers are killed by their habit.
Smokers die on average 15 years sooner than nonsmokers.

Now i wonder what kind the statistics are for Heroin or Crystal meth.

do any of those items listed do that kind of harm?

[Iƒrit]

there is no passive smoke found in the use of a vaporizer, nor in the use of ingestion..........

[[KMA]Avenger]

Your clutching at straws here. Of Course its not 100% efficient but normally over 90% efficient. It's outside in the open too. Which allows the poluted gas to diffuse.

@KMA Avenger, I replied to the post addressed to my post. You can go babble as much as you want but since you didnt address my post, why are you throwing up a fit if I don't respond to you?

Also by the looks of it you have not one shred of proof for any of your wild accusations.

i don't post in any thread just because i like to waste my time "babbling".
its also not my place to educate you or to supply you with proof of stuff that up until 60 or so years ago-was common knowledge.

i gave you the links, you can read them and then research to see if its true or not, either way i don't give a rats behind

and PS, i never aimed my post at you or any individual here, it was at all of you who are quick to argue and slow to learn.

[GrizzZzzly]

do any of those items listed do that kind of harm?

music...

concerts needing crowd control comes to mind

GPS/smartphones/PCs...

technological dependence decreases your chance of survival without it, one could argue the lack of knowledge regarding basic necessities is deadly

concerts needing crowd control is a bad example. Sure every couple of years a crowd goes out of control and makes headlines but how many concerts are held every year in every country in the world? and compare that to the deaths it causes....Furthermore, these incidents could have been prevented with proper planning. The fact that these are accidents means this isnt a typical side effects to a concert. With drugs, everyone takes them knowing full well the consequences/effects.

Difference with GPS/smartphines/PCs... and recreational drugs are that these gadgets have a practical value/reason to be used. To quicken communication, ensure you drive the right direction....also it's entirely theoretical. There's absolutely no hard evidence to prove it.

[lone dragon]

again id like some proof,
"The first global study into the effects of passive smoking has found it causes 600,000 deaths every year."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11844169

thats 600,000people who die because someone else smoked.
and the point is that its not necessary, at all, ever.

this is just passive smoking though,

33 percent to 50 percent of all smokers are killed by their habit.
Smokers die on average 15 years sooner than nonsmokers.

Now i wonder what kind the statistics are for Heroin or Crystal meth.

do any of those items listed do that kind of harm?

I remember that LSD was more additive and harmful that heroin but do you want me to find a study?

[Rocky]

i don't know, if you have a point to make please do.

I was just saying how smoking serves no purpose at all, and on top of that is dangerous and harmful. The same can be said for most illegal drugs, the few illegal drugs that have a purpose are illegal because clearly their usefulness is outweighed by their harmfulness.

[MEZZANINE]

acually you dont have to smoke it, ThC can be taken in pill form and also ingested by cooking it into foods...........

just some food for thought

or how aboout a vaporizor?
also all the other postive effect that come from legalizing weed....

EDIT: and yes if it was legalized I would smoke it more, yes im biased. YES I love weed, whats it to you?

Totally agree,

There was a TV documentary a few years back that looked at the possibility of a small business model if weed was legalised, it assumed the tobacco manufacturers would instantly take over the smoking side with mass production and recognised the harmful effects of smoking so instead focused on using a couple of warehouses to grow high quality weed hydroponically to be an ingredient in a high end box of cannabis chocolates aimed at dinner parties. Seemed to be a great hypothetical plan.


One true thing that my old school taught us was that soft drugs lead to harder drugs, I started off smoking relatively harmless cannabis and ended up addicted to highly toxic tobacco. Most people first experiment with drugs in their teens as I did, they dont have the quantities of something like cannabis needed to make it into food, or the skills/confidence to make it into food without ruining it, so they smoke it mixed with tobacco. If it were legal and available in a tablet or food, with an age restriction, clear labeling on dosage, effects and possible side effects, not only would it be less of a 'rebellious teenager' thing to do but those who did try it would be know exactly what the were taking, have the facts about it, but most importantly they would not become addicted to deadly tobacco.

IMO legalising Cannabis would not only allow the courts/police to better use a large amount of currently wasted time & money, not only generate extra taxes, not only create jobs, but would also save lives by reducing exposure to tobacco.

Couple of points I missed replying to before

1 ) War on drugs - What a ridiculous concept, great for politicians sucking up to the media but fact is it cant work, it has never worked, just look at prohibition in the US, all making things illegal does is create criminals, and the nastiest criminals are usually the ones making the most money, make things legal and there is control through taxation, regulation and inspection. You cant over come supply & demand, you can have it in the open, or you can have it underground/blackmarket but when people are willing to pay there will always be someone willing to sell.


2) Car emissions comparison - They are deadly, CO2 is bad in oh so many ways, and not all cars have catalytic converters, I drive a classic Golf Mk2 it doesn't have one. Also cars are only deemed essential today because of decades of centralising jobs to increase profits, decades of neglecting public transport to save money, and decades of marketing to make cars a status symbol and toy to part us from our hard earned cash, make us pay even more taxes and generally keep all the money spinning round in circles, tis the disposable, consumerist way.

3) Comparing to other legal yet harmful things - Just look around you, not just the Cigarettes & Alcohol, but the junk food loaded with fat, salt and preservatives, this kills people everyday, cars kill people everyday, and not on essential work journeys but usually on recreational drives, unfamiliar roads, messing about for fun, people die playing contact sports, pets like dogs can kill people, look up the statistics on 'in the home' or 'gardening' accidents, even guns are for sale in many countries perfectly legally. there are countless legal things that do far far more harm that some of the currently illegal drugs.


ps

Lone Dragon, I took LSD ( Strawberrys and microdots ) back in my mid teens, did it maybe dozen or so times, it is NOT in any way addictive. BUT although I and most my friends always had a good time in hindsight we did some very stupid things while tripping and were lucky not to get hurt, I also heard of a of few people who had very bad trips and spending 8+ hours just wishing they hadnt dropping it. I certainly would NOT recommend LSD to anyone.

[Rocky]

i don't know, if you have a point to make please do.

I was just saying how smoking serves no purpose at all, and on top of that is dangerous and harmful.

hang gliding
motor cycle riding
sky diving

gonna ban those too?

your making the same point again, its a fair point, but how harmful are those really? do they kill 600 thousand people a year because someone around those people does those activities?
show me how harmful and i might be swayed.

[Rocky]

i don't know, if you have a point to make please do.

I was just saying how smoking serves no purpose at all, and on top of that is dangerous and harmful.

hang gliding
motor cycle riding
sky diving

gonna ban those too?

your making the same point again, its a fair point, but how harmful are those really? do they kill 600 thousand people a year because someone around those people does those activities?

I'm sure the death rate for those involved in motor cycle accidents is fairly high

it has a useful purpose, i keep repeating myself, smoking does not have a useful purpose and it is very harmful.

Give me something that is both that which is currently legal? Motorcycles are a form of transport, where fatalities are higher than with a car, yes but not close to fatalities of smoking. Not even close to fatalities caused by just passive smoking. On top of that smoking has no purpose.

[Rocky]

i don't know, if you have a point to make please do.

I was just saying how smoking serves no purpose at all, and on top of that is dangerous and harmful.

hang gliding
motor cycle riding
sky diving

gonna ban those too?

your making the same point again, its a fair point, but how harmful are those really? do they kill 600 thousand people a year because someone around those people does those activities?

I'm sure the death rate for those involved in motor cycle accidents is fairly high

it has a useful purpose, i keep repeating myself, smoking does not have a useful purpose and it is very harmful.

Give me something that is both that which is currently legal? Motorcycles are a form of transport, where fatalities are higher than with a car, yes but not close to fatalities of smoking. Not even close to fatalities caused by just passive smoking. On top of that smoking has no purpose.

smoking can be a form of relaxation and stress relief, so yes it serves a purpose just the same as a motor cycle

there are less hazardous ways to reduce stress, just as there are less hazardous ways to travel

which is why i actually think its up to everyone to choose whether they want to smoke or not, provided they know the consequences, however banning smoking in public areas was the right idea because i don't think others should have to suffer because one person wants to smoke to relax.

[MEZZANINE]

i don't know, if you have a point to make please do.

I was just saying how smoking serves no purpose at all, and on top of that is dangerous and harmful. The same can be said for most illegal drugs, the few illegal drugs that have a purpose are illegal because clearly their usefulness is outweighed by their harmfulness.

The purpose of recreational drugs are no different to leisure activities, people do the things they enjoy, many things people enjoy are not good for them, and many things people enjoy have an element of risk.

As for this 600K deaths number you keep repeating, thats for a LEGAL highly addictive and highly toxic drug called Nicotine. Nothing to do with Cannabis or MDMA, I dont know if your figures are right, but your making my point for me, this LEGAL drug if very harmful whereas many illegal drugs are not harmful.

[lone dragon]

i don't know, if you have a point to make please do.

I was just saying how smoking serves no purpose at all, and on top of that is dangerous and harmful.

hang gliding
motor cycle riding
sky diving

gonna ban those too?

your making the same point again, its a fair point, but how harmful are those really? do they kill 600 thousand people a year because someone around those people does those activities?

I'm sure the death rate for those involved in motor cycle accidents is fairly high

it has a useful purpose, i keep repeating myself, smoking does not have a useful purpose and it is very harmful.

Give me something that is both that which is currently legal? Motorcycles are a form of transport, where fatalities are higher than with a car, yes but not close to fatalities of smoking. Not even close to fatalities caused by just passive smoking. On top of that smoking has no purpose.

smoking can be a form of relaxation and stress relief, so yes it serves a purpose just the same as a motor cycle

there are less hazardous ways to reduce stress, just as there are less hazardous ways to travel

which is why i actually think its up to everyone to choose whether they want to smoke or not, provided they know the consequences, however banning smoking in public areas was the right idea because i don't think others should have to suffer because someone wants to smoke.

so you agree it has a purpose?

yes its purpose is to make money and give you cancer..