Mister Sandman wrote:
Wether he is vain or not I do not know.
You say that he demands worship, could you cite a bible reference?
He did make the jews wander the desert for 40 years cos they didnt pay proper respects...
Mister Sandman wrote:
Wether he is vain or not I do not know.
You say that he demands worship, could you cite a bible reference?
Calibretto wrote: WIR SOLLEN *insert* AUSRADIEREN
Thriller wrote:
Who created the Devil?
Who created Adam and Eve?
You don't think god is responsible for evil if he created a world where it is aloud to exist?
Thoses christians who commited those terrible acts were following there consicence that was given to them by GOD acording to you
That quote was from an author............
I'm ignorant?, i'll take that as a compliment coming from you
You obviously have no idea what your talking about, you contradict yourself so much it makes any discussion impossible. I think i'll go back to smart asoness and leave the ""seriouse" discussion to others.
You say god is your friend and so the relationship is impotent as your relationship with your friend. But you see, god is no ordinary being is he? He is a super powerful being who made us. I be nice to my friends to get them to do stuff for me, does that mean that i need to do nice things for god to get him to do things for me? what different is there intellectually between my ordinary human friend and god?
you keep mentioning god as if he was 'my friend' but you see, if god's mind worked like my friends mind did, then the world would be alot different, do you understand what im saying? God's thinking must be different then "my friend's" otherwise there would be no difference between a god and my human friend.
just a little aside --> also mate, let me correct you by saying that in Hinduism, Deeds matter a lot. and even if you dont follow the religion, the deeds still count
you say that"If you do not believe in him, it is impossible to please God. Follow the logic?" and that "we live to please God" in point one. This is exactly what IMO is very selfish of god. This LAW that I MADE YOU SO YOU MUST WORSHIP ME. This makes him no different then a man.
in point 3 you say that to live is to please god. to meet his highest happiness. Why is this necessiry? all the other points after this just state that "you must please god for it is ur duty"
When you say "you are already saved by god", what actually are you talking about? and also "The thing is, without God you arnt really 'alive'." explain taht one too..
I think mine and thriller's questions may be partially answered if you can explain us what you are talking about when you say that "you are already saved by god", are you saying that bringing us into existence is saving us? Noif so, then we did not ask for it did we? Wether you ask for it or not. You are here. That is a question for your parents aswell.like Thriller mentioned.. then if we didn't ask to be saved,All humans ask to be saved, in their hearts. then why must we prey for such event that we may not have asked for. OR better yet, if god is not self centered, then why does he require us to say "thank you"?He doesnt require a thank you. ^o) The options are: Hell because man ate of the forbidden fruit i.e Death. Or accept salvation and go to Heaven i.e Life,
Universe wrote:You don't have a case, as Lord Thriller clearly explained.
MajorLeeHurts wrote:^ stole the car and my Booze and my heart * sobs*
Jack wrote: Just wanna be more like you, Master Thriller.
KnowLedge wrote:Dude im getting tired from ur perching, ur like an ori prior.
my question:
"You say god is your friend and so the relationship is impotent as your relationship with your friend. But you see, god is no ordinary being is he? He is a super powerful being who made us. I be nice to my friends to get them to do stuff for me, does that mean that i need to do nice things for god to get him to do things for me? what different is there intellectually between my ordinary human friend and god?"
your reply :
"God is, your creator, your father, your friend, your God.
There is a huge difference between your physical friends and the friendship you will find in God.
""does that mean that i need to do nice things for god to get him to do things for me? ""
No friendship works that way. A real friend would not think of what he gets in return. You do nice things for your friends, just because you are friends, without any expectation of getting something back. "
you fail to answer my question. WHY must we please god. why does he require us to please him. What does it mean that "he has saved us" so we must please him. WHY are we bowing down to someone that is making us do things by giving us no choices? you dont asnwer my questions directly, u stray me off my thinking like a prior from sg1 does..
so u saiy that he gives us options
He doesnt require a thank you. ^o) The options are: Hell because man ate of the forbidden fruit i.e Death. Or accept salvation and go to Heaven i.e Life,
what kind of option are those? death or salvation.. kinda easy too choose dont you think? and to get salvation, YOU MUST Worship me!!
If my free will alows me to superseed God's commandments than am I an equal to God?
Lol, what are you smoking. Commandments i.e the ones that God told his people what they should follow?
Nothing is equal to God. God is almighty.
If evil is not part of gods plan and my free will alows me to manifest evil, some part of me must be outside god's control.
Control and course of action, are different. Gods plan is X, however you do Y. He isnt going to force you to do X, even though he can.
But if god is capable of stopping me and allows me to commit acts of evil there is no better word to describe him than malvolent.
Why would he be malevolent? You are the one committing the acts. Take responsibly for yourself.
Universe wrote:You don't have a case, as Lord Thriller clearly explained.
MajorLeeHurts wrote:^ stole the car and my Booze and my heart * sobs*
Jack wrote: Just wanna be more like you, Master Thriller.
Thriller wrote:such a joke.. you never come close to coherent
What you don't get is that the creator shares some responsibility for his creation. Especiallly if your an all knowing, all powerful creator.
If i were to walk by and witness a women being raped and tortured in an alley, how would you look on me if i had the power do something but chose to walk away.
Malvolent is a kind discriptor given the circumstances.
If that example doesn't follow with you. Think about the quote from Openheimmer after the first atomic bomb test " No i am become death destroyer of worlds."
He understood the responsbility of creation.
KnowLedge wrote:There loads of smart and religious people here.. I believe in god. But i cant figure out why we pray.
why does god want us to pray? why do we have to spend out time praying to a god when this god is said to be selfless.. Is your god shelfish? did he make a law that "if you pray to me, then i shell give u powers"?
KnowLedge wrote:ok my question has still not been answered..
why does god require us to pray to him and only then will our wishes by fulfilled. How is praying equivalent to truely doing a 'good deed' such as donation?