Open ascension or not?

[Clarkey]

This poll occurred to me when RoKeT posted about the cheap costs of UnKnowns these days and that people get bored once reaching #23.

So I thought maybe it's the right time to get the general feeling of whether ascensions should open again or not.

This thread is not me suggesting there should be, it is just me giving the opportunity for discussion and seeing peoples views.

If it were to open again then I think people would agree that it's best to discuss it before we get in to a situation like before when 11th ascension was opened and people had built massive raw UPs because there was a cap on ascension therefore costing them dearly. Although it's already going that route but not so much UP more Covert lvls.

[[BoT] Jason]

Only if it is insanely expensive to ascend...
With insane benefits...
And its losable...

[Skaara]

Would be nice but not many people would do it due to how much they've worked on UP and Covert levels once they have reached unknown..

[stuff of legends]

What would be the point in creating more? So smaller players have an upper hand for a short period of time? On the other side of life, everyone would cry out for some fail safe so they don't loose their whole account...again when ascending, that would include me. So it would be pointless. We have enough bonuses on bonuses as it is, noobs have enough on their plate as it is, and there are enough crap names for ascended titles as it is. Then again Jason could just as easily spice up ascending and make it actually beneficial, relative to peoples losses, plus it gets a bit boring, life in gw.

[Clarkey]

Would be nice but not many people would do it due to how much they've worked on UP and Covert levels once they have reached unknown..

Yes I agree, it's a similar situation as before but this time with covert lvls being a big issue.

How about a change in what you receive when you ascend. Atm you receive what the $20 support is? or whichever one it is you get it based on. How about it gets changed so that you get a percentage of the value of your account. The more you put in to it before ascending the more you will receive when ascending. For example if the value was put at 50% (this is not a suggested figure, just an example) then you get 50% of the naq (possibly even uu) that you've put in to the account.

So for example if you have covert lvl 38 then you'd get 50% of what it costs you to reach that, plus the same goes for other stats so whatever naq it cost you to build your UP etc you'd get 50% back. I think this would only work for naq really rather than UU.

So the more you put in to your account before ascending the more reward you get for ascending. Because right now you get the same for ascending no matter how much you put in to your account compared to those that speed ascend. Just a thought.

[Robe]

Terrible idea.

Ascending is boring.

You cant build a covert and get sabbed constantly.

Most players give up trying.

Extending the pain would deter more players from starting or staying in the game.

[Iƒrit]

23 ascensions is more then enough.
Already takes to long to do that.
If you want to ascended again, sell off, start over.

[Tekki]

23 ascensions, if you do them as fast as possible, already takes 46 weeks to complete.

That's a long time for someone trying to build up an account from scratch who doesn't want to change accounts. While the process of ascending has kept the game very even for a very long time, the bonuses for when you stop ascending make up for that long term.

Putting in more ascensions, even if insanely expensive, but with correspondingly huge bonuses for example is merely asking for trouble because eventually people will do it, and they will build those massive stats again and the problem starts again.

I know there was 'meant' to be 25 ascensions but leaving it as it is is most likely the best course of action.

[Juliette]

Definitely.
I like Jason's 40.

[dastupy]

I don't see the problem with it.
Only the people with very well-build accounts seem to be against it because they could lose their edge?

[Cole]

I will list all the reasons why it shouldn't (even though SoF, Tekki and Robe listed some of them):
(mind that I split the idea to add two more ascensions to 25th, with going up towards 40, I mainly criticize the latter)
-From a newbie point of view, ascending takes at least 46 weeks. If we count the time of getting used with the game and all and various slower factor, it's at least 50 weeks, so it's almost a week. Yes ascending process isn't meant to be easy. But take into mind that in past there were ten ascensions only, it wasn't that much of a gap between highest and smallest levels. Imagine 40 ascensions, the fastest player would require EIGHTY weeks to complete. Eighty weeks! That's TWENTY months!! Leading me to my second point:
-People who stopped ascending (whether they are LG, AG, AGoL, TOE, TUK...read this as people who stopped keeping "ascending" stats and started to build up in the way they don't plan to ascend anymore) would be at a great disadvantage, even more those who stopped at midway. The TUK who stopped would have to lose alot (covert/UP) but they would be totally close to the next levels. However, the ones who stopped mid ascension would not only have to get to TUK but also more after. It would be a disadvantage to non spenders, but also to spenders: imagine if we add 17 more ascensions, the ones keeping ascending will have a giant advantage, compared to TUK vs LG it will be much bigger. Something like 85% AB if the additional AB per ascension remains the same! That's insane. Remember the difference of bonuses between LG+1 and AG, they decreased and remain same until TUK, if we keep the same it will still be a great disadvantage for people who spent time and/or money to get there. Much more than if two only more are added, the extra bonus will not do much of a difference with massive TUKs. However adding seventeen more ascensions would be a great screw up for the strongest TUK and below TUK accounts around. Mainly for the AB, for the stats bonuses.

Adding two more ascensions personally I wouldn't mind it, but anything more would be a very bad idea.

Who would be screwed up:
-newbies
-people who stopped ascending (especially those mid ascension path) [regardless of being spender/non spender, both would be screwed up]

Who wouldn't be screwed up:
-people close or who reached TUK and didn't build too much their resetable stats (covert, anticovert, UP) expecting more levels would come.

Of course the "screwed ones" would be much more screwed up if there was to be seventeen more ascensions rather than two.

[RoKeT]

I personally loved ascending it's the key to the game, once you do you "beat" it...

Everyone says no one will do it, we all said the same after he opened up past LG1 and we all did, LG1 is garbage now, so who says if he opens to level 25 no one would ascend? Bonkers! if you opened up more then just one ascension I KNOW people would ascend they'd have to, make it a cooler name and people would lol, yes some wouldn't obviously a 39 Cov, 39 Cov, or huge UP wouldn't... At First but knowing the people that control those accounts, they wouldn't like not being the "best" of all of it so i'm sure they'd ascend eventually...

but on a serious note, don't just open up one... open up 3, you wouldn't even need more of an advantadge most people would do it, because thats the main goal in this game...

[Cole]

I personally loved ascending it's the key to the game, once you do you "beat" it...

Everyone says no one will do it, we all said the same after he opened up past LG1 and we all did, LG1 is garbage now, so who says if he opens to level 25 no one would ascend? Bonkers! if you opened up more then just one ascension I KNOW people would ascend they'd have to, make it a cooler name and people would lol, yes some wouldn't obviously a 39 Cov, 39 Cov, or huge UP wouldn't... At First but knowing the people that control those accounts, they wouldn't like not being the "best" of all of it so i'm sure they'd ascend eventually...

but on a serious note, don't just open up one... open up 3, you wouldn't even need more of an advantadge most people would do it, because thats the main goal in this game...

Back then ascending with big stats was backed by tons of APP for ascended server, so while you spent alot in main, you gained in ascension, now it's not the case anymore. Therefore, people who stopped ascending, especially if it's like 17 more ascensions, wouldn't even have the reward to have built but ascended in spite of their stats. Sure it was meant to be 25 not 23. But as I said, if it was only two more, those who didn't stop ascending (read those who didn't build up as if they wouldn't ascend anymore) around TOE-TUK could ascend up to 25th while not having unfair advantage over those who stopped ascending. However, if we add like 7-17 ascensions, then it would become more and more a strong disadvantage to those who stopped. Whether they are $$ players or not.

Yes admin added 13 ascensions beyond AG. But mind that the more ascensions you had, the longer it is for newcomers. Having 23 is already quite a bit, but forty that's just madness. 80 weeks to complete, 20 months, a year and half. Think about that.

[dastupy]

Who wouldn't be screwed up:
-people close or who reached TUK and didn't build too much their resetable stats (covert, anticovert, UP) expecting more levels would come.

People who are currently screwed: People that don't build up too much because Admin said there will be more ascensions.

Sometimes in SGW you have to make decisions, some people decided to build up hugely and now try to block admin his plans because either they are 2 ascensions behind or lose all their investments at the current ascension.

40 ascensions is just silly tho.

[RoKeT]

I personally loved ascending it's the key to the game, once you do you "beat" it...

Everyone says no one will do it, we all said the same after he opened up past LG1 and we all did, LG1 is garbage now, so who says if he opens to level 25 no one would ascend? Bonkers! if you opened up more then just one ascension I KNOW people would ascend they'd have to, make it a cooler name and people would lol, yes some wouldn't obviously a 39 Cov, 39 Cov, or huge UP wouldn't... At First but knowing the people that control those accounts, they wouldn't like not being the "best" of all of it so i'm sure they'd ascend eventually...

but on a serious note, don't just open up one... open up 3, you wouldn't even need more of an advantadge most people would do it, because thats the main goal in this game...

Back then ascending with big stats was backed by tons of APP for ascended server, so while you spent alot in main, you gained in ascension, now it's not the case anymore. Therefore, people who stopped ascending, especially if it's like 17 more ascensions, wouldn't even have the reward to have built but ascended in spite of their stats. Sure it was meant to be 25 not 23. But as I said, if it was only two more, those who didn't stop ascending (read those who didn't build up as if they wouldn't ascend anymore) around TOE-TUK could ascend up to 25th while not having unfair advantage over those who stopped ascending. However, if we add like 7-17 ascensions, then it would become more and more a strong disadvantage to those who stopped. Whether they are $$ players or not.

Yes admin added 13 ascensions beyond AG. But mind that the more ascensions you had, the longer it is for newcomers. Having 23 is already quite a bit, but forty that's just madness. 80 weeks to complete, 20 months, a year and half. Think about that.

I've played for over 3 and i'm still a noob... Think about that... What i'm saying is...

1. We aren't getting many new people but loosing MANY members
2. 1 and a half years isn't really that long to reach a full level on a game
3. Get rid of ascension time for First ascension until AG (don't see why we haven't anyways, AG is still garbage xD)
4. (And OR 3) Get rid of ascensions below LG (again anything under this is garbage and Living God makes sense as a starting name) you could even get rid of LG1-5 or whatever and put the other names on them so we didn't have a million LG's lmao