Need your feedback on whether this is a good idea.

[Bullseye]

I agree it will not be easy at first and unless i get backing from all big alliances it will not happen. But for the future of this game i see it worth trying. Lots are leaving and not many new members coming out the woodwork, hopefully an alliance like this will encourage those that do start to carry on and not be overwhelmed with how to play and just give up.

Its either going to work well or just fold into nothing. So we shall see.

[MEZZANINE]

Nice idea Kev, but full of flaws,

Noobs make mistakes and as soon as one of them hits a '1 mass mass' policy alliance massing will begin.

Noobs need to farm and be farmed, its part of the game they need to learn

Noobs need to get into fights, if you dont learn to fight as a noob you will have no idea how to use your account when you finish building/ascending it.

Trading with one alliance could be seen as being allied to them, if your members start going to one alliance/empire when they are ready, people will assume you to be training alliance for that alliance/empire.

Open forum might help, but many will assume is has non-open secret area's even if it doesnt

With so many good training alliance to choose from with parent alliances to defend them, why would any parent alliance volunteer to defend a training alliance they dont benefit from.



FS wouldnt mass them without good reason, but we would farm them for fair hits as we do with everyone.

TBH if you want purely growth and ascending, no fighting and all new players, you would be better off running a perg alliance.

[Bullseye]

I agree Mezz, mistakes happen and that will be down to the person that created the problem. Like i said we are not an alliance that fights for each other. Might arrange wargames with each other, but the members are purely solo members that are learning/ascending. Abit like training alliances to lonewolf alliance. But with rules.

Each alliance that offers protection will be given complete access and there is no reason for hidden sections as its more a group of people in one place then an alliance.

The only reason for protection is if someone declares war on the group for no reason and we have no one to fight back. If it was in anyway justified, which would never happen then we fight alone. But like i said we are not going to war full stop, its not an alliance.

[Bullseye]

so its Lonewolves for noobs?

Pretty much yeah, we are not tied to anyone, just a group of new people learning the game, getting to know whats good to do and whats very bad.
Rules will be in place, but everyone acts the way they want. Say they hit DDE, then they rightly suffer. We guide them so they wouldnt make mistakes like this.

[dresnov]

Its a good idea bro.
You could count on donations from me to help your dudes with building or recovering from being massed.

[Bullseye]

Its a good idea bro.
You could count on donations from me to help your dudes with building or recovering from being massed.

Thank you mate, im going to hopefully speak to a few leaders tonight and hopefully get some backing and clear up any doubts they may have.

[Clarkey]

Interesting idea. I understand people's reluctance to see it working because there have been cases where one person does something silly and the alliance gets massed, and although you say this won't be an "alliance" it will in people's eyes because it's in an alliance called HAVEN.

Some noobs may think that if HAVEN is protected from wars with big alliances that it means they can do what they want without retaliation.... obviously that would be where the possible "kicking" out would come in, but for HAVEN as a whole that could be too late.

But, downside aside, I think it's an idea worth pursuing.

Let me know Bullseye if it looks like it's going ahead.

[Bullseye]

Interesting idea. I understand people's reluctance to see it working because there have been cases where one person does something silly and the alliance gets massed, and although you say this won't be an "alliance" it will in people's eyes because it's in an alliance called HAVEN.

Some noobs may think that if HAVEN is protected from wars with big alliances that it means they can do what they want without retaliation.... obviously that would be where the possible "kicking" out would come in, but for HAVEN as a whole that could be too late.

But, downside aside, I think it's an idea worth pursuing.

Let me know Bullseye if it looks like it's going ahead.

Thank you Clarkey, i had a feeling you might back me up on this. I think once its been made clear that its not an alliance and its not a hiding place then it may just work. I expect a few problems at first but slowly it could just work.

I plan to move forward with it, got nothing to lose by doing so. Appreciate your help my friend.

[Tauriman77]

You can count on support from me Bullseye, I love to help out the newbies, lol

[doc holliday]

I like the idea and the name is nice. Getting other alliances to not attack the Havenites will be easy. The hard part would be keeping the Havenites from getting themselves massed

[Valume]

I love the idea of this but I can only think of one good way for this to even work. You would have to work out with most the active alliances and just have a NON-MASS policy. Come on it will be a group of noobs and not getting farmed won't help anyways which will lead them quitting once they grow past the boot stage.

I'm all for an alliance to help them grow and offer protection from war while they grow but alot of flaws with it. Being protected to a point is great for them being able to make a few mistakes and learn there game play with out other sitting on them. Plus this might be able to help get more active people so I like.

Beside puttting it at 10x Ascended you should have a army cap as well, which we all know army don't mean alot but **Filtered** we still have some people sitting at LG+1 and might want to jump in to get protection as well but this another one of them flaws.

[Bullseye]

Thanks guys appreciate the help and feedback.

I agree changing the rule on farming will need to be done, because yeah if you dont get farmed your not learning how to provent it. I think the no mass rule would be better.
I also agree an army limit should be in place and a time limit between each ascention. As i can see some joining and just not ascending to stay in. These kind of tweaks will hopefully help, so thank you.

[Iƒrit]

Its a fantastic idea, I can certainly understand why many believe it wouldn't work, but I have faith you could actually do well with it Bullseye. I would think activity, and political understandings would be the hardest part in training them, but certainly not an impossible task. Feel free to add me to MSN.

[Bullseye]

-Sanctuary for newcomers
-People wanting to ascend in peace within a certain time.
-hopefully under protection of whichever alliances want to give it. (Meaning said alliances will not mass people in HAVEN and will help defend it if required). Any issues are to be reported before action taken.
-No one over 10 ascentions can join, and once reached must leave. As at this point should be able to move on to better things.
-Also thinking alliance that offer protection can also send there lower ranked members here to grow in peace to reach 10th ascention.
-An open forum for everyone
-A recruitment section for potenial alliances.
-Cheap UU and ATs offered to those in HAVEN
-A weekly challenge with prizes
-A limit to army size


Here is an update.

[Bullseye]

Its a fantastic idea, I can certainly understand why many believe it wouldn't work, but I have faith you could actually do well with it Bullseye. I would think activity, and political understandings would be the hardest part in training them, but certainly not an impossible task. Feel free to add me to MSN.

Thank you mate, i will add you in an hour or so, im off out in just a sec. Appreciate your support.