GateWars Uni-2

[TLPhoenix]

First an opinion.

As a returning player I have found one thing out for sure. Without spdnding $$, whether making them back in-game or not, it is IMPOSSIBLE to catch up in this game. Completely impossible. Unless everyone else stagnated for a year and I raided all day everyday it will just never happen and I think that is wrong.

That said I do not think there is any way to fix that it is just something that happens to a lot of these types of games.

A lot of pointless updates have been pushed onto admin by certain individuals, or so it would seem. At first I thought that was very wrong as it was hurting the game's life expectancy even more but now I think that that really is a lost cause.



My suggestion is simple.

Make a new server 100% the same as this one is now and just let this one continue with the players it has. Make the new one the main page that everyone immediately goes to and keep the old one on a seperate link.

Nothing like origins is needed... that obviously didnt work great. Just make a new server that new people can start to play on!

It shouldn't take up much more time because you can just put updates from this game straight onto that one like an exact copy. Just 5 years less advanced.

THIS GAME WILL NOT REJUVINATE ITSELF! There is NO way it is going to be picked up by any significant amount of new players. People are definitely trying to take it up because I have spoke to them. They think they're doing alright but really they aren't getting anywhere.

Ascension would take quite a while too, proably monthss, so it would be nice to see those $20 SS come back into play for the ability to transfer res.



Edit Add:

Yes the debatable bit is indeed the main page. Very debeatable more thought would definitely have to be given to it than I have given. The idea would be new people join up to that new universe.

What would be MORE sensible.. if an overall login page for GateWars and then you select your Universe.
For example:

GATEWARS
Please select your reality:
Universe 1
Universe 2

Then you have main login and uni 2 login...

[Cole]

That reminds me of "sgaw phoenix" server, based on sgaw game (Hephaestus/Virgil being admins). I don't know if admin would be willing to have another game to worry about, might make him give less attention to others, which could bring some problems with other games' players.

[TLPhoenix]

Shouldn't create any more worry at all. Just updates the same as the main server... as opposed to chaos, origins and quantum. etc.

[Reschef]

I like this idea. a lot

[Reschef]

I'm sorry, but what exactly is your idea?
Cloning main server?

kind of, just except for the accounts, so all who start on this new server start at 0.

[Reschef]

I'm sorry, but what exactly is your idea?
Cloning main server?

kind of, just except for the accounts, so all who start on this new server start at 0.

Why would that replace the main log-in?
If anything that would be just a link on the original main server's page...

well, that point is definatelly debatable, I think that was just suggested so new players rather join the new server so they don't have to spend many many months or / and $$ to catch up with the current playerbase.

[TLPhoenix]

I think that is a terrible idea personally and if you are going to do that you might as well just reset this server. Which in itself is a terrible idea.

I can tell from your post that you dont quite get mine.

It is absolutely nothing like reseting main.. I dont know how you even came to that conclusion... The idea is to allow new players to actually play the game. The main game as you and the other 500-1000 dedicated players take part on will continue to exist as it does now and recieve as much attention and updates as ever.

A reset will accomplish nothing, the same people that spend cash now will spend cash then. The same people will come out on top... all you will do is change the scale of the numbers being used.

Erm yes it will accomplish something.. bring a lot new players to the game. Something that doesn't seem to have happened for the past year or more.

I want to comeback to your point.. but to be honest havent got a clue what you're going on about. You seem to think that Im suggesting deleting main and making a new one.. and then exactly the same people are going to join up and spend $$$ therefore nothing has changed.

^^ Not the point of the idea!!



Yes the debatable bit is indeed the main page. Very debeatable more thought would definitely have to be given to it than I have given. The idea would be new people join up to that new universe.

What would be MORE sensible.. if an overall login page for GateWars and then you select your Universe.For example:

GATEWARS
Please select your reality:
Universe 1
Universe 2

Then you have main login and uni 2 login...

[TLPhoenix]

All your idea is going to do is prolong the inevitable. The same things will happen there that you are trying to correct. Only you aren't correcting them, you are just resetting them. The problem is the people not the game, so unless you get all new people for this "universe 2" nothing will change. And even then, its still going to end up the same in the end.[/color]

Yep.. and then guess what you do... you make Uni 3 :O Wow.

You can pretty much indefinitely gain new players and keep the old games.

[TLPhoenix]

All your idea is going to do is prolong the inevitable. The same things will happen there that you are trying to correct. Only you aren't correcting them, you are just resetting them. The problem is the people not the game, so unless you get all new people for this "universe 2" nothing will change. And even then, its still going to end up the same in the end.[/color]

Yep.. and then guess what you do... you make Uni 3 :O Wow.

You can pretty much indefinitely gain new players and keep the old games.

LOL
and what, just have 5-6-7-8 servers exactly the same with different generations of players?
That is ridiculous...

Oh for god sake.. that is literally how every large internet game survives.

Ever heard of NO? NO?

Seriously..

[TLPhoenix]

Your middle example does not survive like that, having played that in the past... It completely resets the server. It does not make a new one every time people start getting far apart from each other.

All your idea does is separate everyone and spread the game thin. It will kill this game and community a lot faster imo.

Indeed I took it out before you replied realising the mistake. However the other 2 have 40+ worlds with a good 10k+ players on the newest ones.

You just seem to have deemed that the game will never have any new players whatsoever and that it will inevitably die. Do you even know how many more players this game has had in the past than it does now?

I do not belive this game has to be doomed to death and if there was a point Id make in response to "hte past servers will frizzle out" - I do not believe that they are taking on any new players now anyway.

If it makes people less aware to spend $$$ on the game then that is nothing more than a wakeup call because that is the reality of it anyway.

[tripleheadcase]

Firstly i must agree wit SS as i have played the liks of evony and ogame in the past creating a new server that is excatly the same as the first will acomplish nothing at all if it did kick of ppl from the frist one will go there and spend staright away to get to number one and keep spending to stay there for glory and what not but then i must also say that putting in a clone of the main could put some life into the game but only if they make it so it is alot harder to get through the game through buying. as in if they did do this then it should be like instead of $20 getting you:

Instant 5,600,000,000,000 Naquadah
Instant 4,800 Attack Turns (Attack turns are converted to Naquadah and Untrained if the recipient is in the Pergatory Realm)
Instant 4,800,000 Untrained Soliders
Instant 1087 to Untrained Military Daily Production
Instant 20% increase (20% of initial capacity) in your offsite storage capacity
10 Days worth of power to your Merlins Planetary Dimensional Shifting Device (MPDSD) that can protect planets from attack.
One additional Race Change 'Count'.
Includes Protected Planets Treaty bonus.

it should only get you half or a third of those things to make it less profitable although in saying that the idea is still just a temporary problem and you might as well reset it to when the game first started except with the updates added on

[Clarkey]

Back in early 2005 game was launched. 6 years later there is massive gap between existing accounts and newly created accounts.

Early 2012 Universe 2 created. 6 years later same problem as Universe 1.

Early 2019 Universe 3 created..... no

By creating a new blank version of GW you will just end up repeating what the situation is now. Albeit over time, but still the same result will happen.


EDIT: I'd also like to add that by creating a Universe 2 you will inevitably increase the death of universe 1 quicker that it is already dieing. This would be for several reasons. 1) All new players would obviously chose Universe 2 therefore Universe 1 no longer growing in number of players. 2) Majority of newish players in Universe 1 would be highly likely to move to Universe 2 therefore reducing number of players in Universe 1. 3) Over time when players decide to leave GW for whatever reason would further reduce number of players in Universe 1. So essentially speeding up it's death.

[TLPhoenix]

Early 2019 Universe 3 created..... no

By creating a new blank version of GW you will just end up repeating what the situation is now. Albeit over time, but still the same result will happen.

Erm... yes.. that is basically the idea.. then a new Uni starts while loyal players can continue in the old ones... If anyone of them lasts as long as this one you could only see a new server start every few years.

So explain what's so wrong with that? It'll always stop the problem so whats your objection? Maybe then people won't be so encouraged to spend $1k on this game and it will be an more even playing field.. not that I particularly care about that because spending $$$ anywhere but admin's options are people's own choices. This new game would actually generate a load more $ for admin as people would need a $20 SS to transfer resources.

EDIT: I'd also like to add that by creating a Universe 2 you will inevitably increase the death of universe 1 quicker that it is already dieing.

So what? How much you think it's gonna cut it down by? Its going to go stale anyway. Basically what you're saying is youd rather keep what community is left for a little longer over allowing a game to continue existing at a good level.



Just want to say: Sorry but this game suggestion is an idea to regenerate the game not to keep the individual friend list intact.

If the only reasons against it are:
1. I spent $1k on the game thinking it would last forever, or
2. it will die slightly quicker.

The facts are that it is not keeping new players and it is dying.. it seems to me the only counter-arguments are "Thats alright". To me.. it's not alright at all.

[Clarkey]

Just want to say: Sorry but this game suggestion is an idea to regenerate the game not to keep the individual friend list intact.

It wouldn't be regenerating the game though would it because it would just be creating a new game.

I'm not wanting the game to stay the way it is for the sake of it, but do we really want admin fixing up a new "Universe" when he could be concentrating on the current "Universe"?

[Ashu]

I speak for myself when i say i play this game ONLY for the community. Its long been unattractive to me as a game per say. And most of the people i know share my feelings.