COVERT PHASE

[Rocky]

That would not solve the original problem - that once someone is phased out, he can go on a massing spree with an "untouchable" attack

i see, well in i don;t believe thats a problem, its been like this for years... somoene has an untouchable defence when phased normally too and can sabb all they like.

[Juliette]

That would not solve the original problem - that once someone is phased out, he can go on a massing spree with an "untouchable" attack

I repeat the idea we *thought* was put forth then.
Both mass-phasing and sab-phasing block all functions until they are reset.

[jedi~tank]

Combined or reset upon activity, but it actually does not have to be reset, someone else can do the spy thus the exploitation is still in full use. Maybe upon phase the entire Covert network is shut down until it is reset, include ac in it as well.

[MEZZANINE]

That would not solve the original problem - that once someone is phased out, he can go on a massing spree with an "untouchable" attack

i see, well in i don;t believe thats a problem, its been like this for years... somoene has an untouchable defence when phased normally too and can sabb all they like.

Good point

When phased by covert or nox no one should be able to fight in any way until phasing is reset or timed out.

A covert phase meter and reset button would be good

To prevent sabbing a friend to make them covert phase before they build up is a tricky one, maybe link the covert phase to weapons destroyed, something like if you sab under 10K weapons it dont even register on the covert phase meter, 10k-100K weapons destroyed per sab = 1% on covert phase and incrementally rise upto say 5 Mill weapons destroys per sab = 5%. Just an example, the %s would no doubt need to be tinkered with as Ive done no calcs on it. You could also link covert turns used to weapons destroyed, why should sabbing 10K weapons use the same number of covert turns as sabbing 5 mill weapons.

BUT I REPEAT ( as JT pointed out I often do lol )

SABBING SHOULD SET AUTO-WAR SAME AS ATTACK & RAIDS

[jedi~tank]

That would not solve the original problem - that once someone is phased out, he can go on a massing spree with an "untouchable" attack

i see, well in i don;t believe thats a problem, its been like this for years... somoene has an untouchable defence when phased normally too and can sabb all they like.

Good point

When phased by covert or nox no one should be able to fight in any way until phasing is reset or timed out.

A covert phase meter and reset button would be good

To prevent sabbing a friend to make them covert phase before they build up is a tricky one, maybe link the covert phase to weapons destroyed, something like if you sab under 10K weapons it dont even register on the covert phase meter, 10k-100K weapons destroyed per sab = 1% on covert phase and incrementally rise upto say 5 Mill weapons destroys per sab = 5%. Just an example, the %s would no doubt need to be tinkered with as Ive done no calcs on it. You could also link covert turns used to weapons destroyed, why should sabbing 10K weapons use the same number of covert turns as sabbing 5 mill weapons.

BUT I REPEAT ( as JT pointed out I often do lol )

SABBING SHOULD SET AUTO-WAR SAME AS ATTACK & RAIDS

I agree

But make the phase simple, when you are phased you are phased, any activity unphases, make it 1 not 2 seperate. I can have my m8's covert phase me and go mass whatever I want with no fear whatsoever of being sabbed, I can have a puny defense, no covert and a big strike. I mean ya know, I know its been here for a long time but it needs adjusted.

[stuff of legends]

But make the phase simple, when you are phased you are phased, any activity unphases, make it 1 not 2 seperate.

If you choose to interlink the two then i agree with Repli back in his post.
It shouldn't reset phasing back to 0, but gradually reduce on both with an interlinking proportionality, as he suggested 100 ATs for 1 sab, but use something more like two attacks of any kind for 1 covert unphasing, vice versa, to also hinder MS massing with 3 turns.
Or you could just leave it and dub it as a cowardice move by larger players if they pull it off in a war, and let small covert leveled players use it as a viable move to compete with the large covert levels.

[renegadze]

Can we move on already? it's been there for years....people have lived with it thus far.

Although a certain mayhem member is currently using this tactic to stop his def being sabbed, so if you wanna push through the change you'll get my backing

[jedi~tank]

Can we move on already? it's been there for years....people have lived with it thus far.

Although a certain mayhem member is currently using this tactic to stop his def being sabbed, so if you wanna push through the change you'll get my backing

*sighs* TL is doing it rene *rolls eyes*

[jedi~tank]

Can we move on already? it's been there for years....people have lived with it thus far.

Although a certain mayhem member is currently using this tactic to stop his def being sabbed, so if you wanna push through the change you'll get my backing

*sighs* TL is doing it rene *rolls eyes*

If you're not smart enough to work out what I was saying, I'm not going to explain

But coming from the person who couldn't even read his own logs to see which TL member took his def.....at least your consistent

Umm, well it was Thamuz and nero tech FYI, insults are not welcome here rene, plese take them to the war thread. Thank you

[GeneralChaos]

The covert phasing is only an issue due to the length of time it takes you to unphase, espically if your not logged in,

No/1 way war setting, phase as normal, on turn change, you can be sabbed another 8 times, instead of 1-3

2 way war setting no phase at all, or at least triple it to the current value, to stop the declare war mass/sab,

[Flavar]

Please keep it to suggestions and normal discussions on them. Flames and insults have no place here.

[Feri]

why is it that every freakin thread degrades into zomg $$ spending.....
seriously guys get a life.

the point is that it seems like a bug when multiple turns pass 2-3 and still no sabs can be done and nobody else is sabbing. this has NOTHING to do with $$ spending so please get a life.

[Rocky]

another idea...why not... just keep it simple, keep it how it is but have it so that you can sab 4times after phasing each turn, similarly to when being nox phased.

[Iƒrit]

why is it that every freakin thread degrades into zomg $$ spending.....
seriously guys get a life.

the point is that it seems like a bug when multiple turns pass 2-3 and still no sabs can be done and nobody else is sabbing. this has NOTHING to do with $$ spending so please get a life.

you can't really prove "nobody" else is sabbing cause after all you can't be sure. Money is a factor especially when nobody in game has yet to purchase a 39 level by pure ingame methods the only 38s I know of have been a team effort purchase or via cash. So yes I will bring up money in a mechanic which is dominating for a minority of players in game. I feel very strongly about smaller or average players (especially those who are free-to-play) having a means in which they can fight back against a game system that is to easy for cash spenders.

[Rocky]

Also a little side comment . Is it just me or do a lot of the suggestions seem to prop up when a few wars have started. Cause the last thing we need are updates that are caused by people having difficulties in a war and thus trying to use updates to change that. Next time maybe someone lost a few too many Uu whilst massing so an update is made to make strikes more effective and so a few months later people will complain defences are too easy to mass. Has anyone ever thought of just living with it and accepting that although its annoying its the same for everyone.