G&R points for not ascended accounts

[Wolf359]

Whether you love it or not - why should you be able to take advantage of something that was created specifically for ascension if a) you do not plan to ascend (or even ascend just to take advantage of the bonus); b) would end up with an account more powerful overall than someone who has ascended; and c) (if I'm reading this correctly) not even have to have your account reset like those who do ascend.

Once again this smacks of some people wanting something for nothing.

G&R is there for ascension - it is your choice to use it or not - but if you do not wish to use it, accept that you do not get anything else and move on.

[cinder__393]

wasnt saying they should get it for nothing (the bonuses should be at a heavery cost and ... shouldnt end up equaling the ascention... at all) *and as for the ascented loseing there stuff... (big woop most of them TRANSFER naq and men out of the acount ascend then get there stuf back.... ) not realy loseing stuff is it

[Bahamut]

first of all

wolf since when this game ws just like this or just like that

at the begining there was no bank

at the begining there wasn't technology button

at the begining there wasn't mothership

From the begining this game was modified to many times

so i like role of goauld !

so is there some problem with my decisison?

or i just need to ascend? because whatever?

basiclly with this upgrade u wouldn't be matched by no ascension accounts

but there would be slight diference u allready have +??% on all.

and this would allow customization of each player account

also this would also be a little pushup for beginers

it is like it would unlock technology button wich is at max now

and cost of first upgrade should be some 50 bil for each upgrade so it would also require some skills to achive that

i mean look

i personally wont never ascend if u really like to know ( to Wolf359 )
but there is also a lot of guys that don't wont to ascend and this would only make game more interesting

instead u to know u are atacking replicator and then guy has 2 extra upgrades on deff and ban u miss

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[Psi Kiya Trist]

instead u to know u are atacking replicator and then guy has 2 extra upgrades on deff and ban u miss

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so, in essenee, you'd like a ascension bonus, without ascending...

point proven...

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

[Bahamut]

instead u to know u are atacking replicator and then guy has 2 extra upgrades on deff and ban u miss

it is something like ascended blessing, only this one wont allow double action,like it is in case with ascended blessing.

so, in essenee, you'd like a ascension bonus, without ascending...

point proven...

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

yes something to spend those G&R points, is that wrong?

the way u posted it looks i want something i didn't deserved!

that would also aquire gathering points again and again one step at the time

it would force more ppl play better and it is on them to decide ascension or staying in real world without living in clouds!

[Bahamut]

wasnt saying they should get it for nothing (the bonuses should be at a heavery cost and ... shouldnt end up equaling the ascention... at all) *and as for the ascented loseing there stuff... (big woop most of them TRANSFER naq and men out of the acount ascend then get there stuf back.... ) not realy loseing stuff is it

and as for multiple ascending well i think all that thing went to early to far away there

a loophole..... well that is out of topic for some other one!

basiclly this all end up on us deciding what kind of game and what tactics we will use

to go for full ascension to get all bonuses +??% ( as i heard lately there is no limit for ascending ) why should we make them reascension easier and there is like lot of stuff that is only allowed for ascended ones to know?

and we aren't asking anything for free psy we would loose this way because if and when this idea, is to be reconcidered and until it is implemented it will take a long time!

[[KMA]Avenger]

i agree with bahamut, i dont plan on ascending but it would be nice to spend those hard earned G&R points on something

[Bahamut]

i agree with bahamut, i dont plan on ascending but it would be nice to spend those hard earned G&R points on something

yea we didn't get those g&r points for free it wasn't a bug question

[The ancient evil]

I LOVE this idea. I would love to ascend but won't as it's another account to manage.

Please admin! Make this so...

[Quina Quen]

If you don't wish to ascend - At least make the G n R points transferrable to naq at least...

Point remains though - It's pointless having them if you can't do anything else with them other than ascend if you don't wish to ascend..

[Sabben]

I also think this is a great idea - Mostly I like it because it would anger all the people who spent so much time ascending, it would definitely add another plain to the game, adding a bit of unpredictability and making rank important again.

[Reaver]

I don't think you guys are anticipating the response from the ascended crowd all that well. Think about it, who's already holding the top spots again? Living Gods. That means they're getting G&R now and if what you want goes into effect, they're going to have ascended five times, with all those bonuses, and then they're going to start using the G&R points the same way you are after their 5th ascension and they'll just be even more powerful than those who haven't ascended. It seems to me that this idea will only make the multi-ascended even more powerful. With that said, go right ahead and do it, I'll gladly take advantage of it once I'm finished ascending.

[General Midget Man]

This is a great idea Bahamut, you have put a fair bit of thought into this i can tell im all for this idea as i would just not have the time at the moment for another server to deal with
Good Job

[Spoon]

I think this a bad idea to implement now, so long after ascension was released, if it was going to be released it should have been at the same time as ascension was so everyone had the chance to choose, not just a few people who dont want to ascend, so they are now trying to think of a way for them to improve their accounts without going through the far more difficult process of ascending multiple times.

As I said this would have bee a good plan if it was released at the same time as ascension now its just people who want something for nothing trying to get some bonuses from their G&R which was created only to judge those worthy of ascension.

[Wolf359]

If you don't wish to ascend - At least make the G n R points transferrable to naq at least...

Point remains though - It's pointless having them if you can't do anything else with them other than ascend if you don't wish to ascend..

But the whole point of G&R was for ascension - so my question is 'Why should they be used for anything else?' If people do not wish to ascend it is THEIR CHOICE!

The reason I am opposed to this is twofold: Firstly, because I believe (but am not sure) that if and when descension happens, then if a player is descended from the ascended server, they will lose their bonuses in the main server (please correct me if I am wrong).

Now, if this is to happen, it hardly seems fair for somebody else to benefitting from an ascension function (G&R) to gain bonuses which CANNOT be removed from them because it is a non-ascension bonus.

Like I said though - I could be barking up the wrong tree here.

Secondly, touched on above, is because G&R is SPECIFICALLY an Ascension function.

Additionally, Reaver's point is well made:

Think about it, who's already holding the top spots again? Living Gods. That means they're getting G&R now and if what you want goes into effect, they're going to have ascended five times, with all those bonuses, and then they're going to start using the G&R points the same way you are after their 5th ascension and they'll just be even more powerful than those who haven't ascended. It seems to me that this idea will only make the multi-ascended even more powerful.

There may, however, be a compromise.........

What about the possibility of being half-ascended? It will still cost exactly the same in G&R, but only half the amount of ascension power points. Then, for the purpose of this, the player can 'attempt' to ascend - but will be 'unable' to - therefore becoming a half-ascended being, keeping their old race, the account is reset with half the prior bonuses, weapons strengths/costs etc.

However, there would be no additional half-ascensions possible - as I do not believe you should be able to half-ascend more than once.

Should the half asended player then decide they actually wish to ascend properly, they would once again have to achieve the required G&R, and half the required ascension points.

The alternative is to allow all ascended beings to retain their old race (Garak was, after all, still a Jaffa once he became a prior), and then once ascended you can either play in ascended or simply put your account into permannet vacation mode.

Happy to take suggestions/commenst on how either of these could be improved..... - but I think they are, realistically, the only alternatives that would a) not upset existing Asecnded players (mainly because they might've chosen this instead of ascending (I would have)), and b) Like Reaver said - the already powerful will become more powerful.