I see this is going to be VERY hard to get people to see things as they truly are.
Try going back to Americas congressional records from the beginning and reading right through to modern times. you will see that the very same issues and enemies the US faced from the outset are the EXACT same issues and enemies we face today....the banksters.
I think it's you that needs to go study economics and politics.
How did i know a reply like this would come!?!
[KMA]Avenger wrote:
Think about that before you reply and attempt to put words into my mouth ![Wink ;)](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
Morbius Liadon wrote:
You can't be serious with this one. Okay so the government can't borrow money.... great now the country has no money, as it can longer sell treasury bonds, which also means that our economy is broken. Huzzah! Borrowing money is necessary in our economy, and to take away the governments ability to do so, you cripple the entire nation.
Govts can issue bonds which as you should well know-is nothing more than an IOU...why can it not issue money at ZERO % interest spent into the economy with public works? (do you even understand what started Americas war of independence? to quote President James Madison and Ben Franklin:
"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance."
President James Madison
[spoiler]During a visit to Britain in 1763, The Bank of England asked Benjamin Franklin how he would account for the new found prosperity in the colonies. Franklin replied.
"That is simple. In the colonies we issue our own money. It is called Colonial Script. We issue it in proper proportion to the demands of trade and industry to make the products pass easily from the producers to the consumers.
In this manner, creating for ourselves our own paper money, we control its purchasing power, and we have no interest to pay to no one."
Benjamin Franklin 1
America had learned that the people's confidence in the currency was all they needed, and they could be free of borrowing debts. That would mean being free of the Bank of England.
In Response the world's most powerful independent bank used its influence on the British parliament to press for the passing of the Currency Act of 1764.
This act made it illegal for the colonies to print their own money, and forced them to pay all future taxes to Britain in silver or gold.
Here is what Franklin said after that.
"In one year, the conditions were so reversed that the era of prosperity ended, and a depression set in, to such an extent that the streets of the Colonies were filled with unemployed."
Benjamin Franklin
"The colonies would gladly have borne a little tax on tea and other matters had it not been that England took away from the colonies their money, which created unemployment and dissatisfaction. The inability of the colonists to get power to issue their own money permanently out of the hands of George III and the international bankers was the PRIME reason for the Revolutionary War."
Benjamin Franklin's autobiography[/spoiler] )
You could then have EXTREMELY low taxes which would only be necessary to remove old money from circulation which would keep inflation/deflation at ZERO thereby protecting the value of OUR money, instead of BORROWING money at INTEREST from privately owned central banks....which by the way, having a central bank is plank 5 of the communist manifesto!
I could go on an on about the benefits of not having a central bank.
I see you have no idea how money is created in the modern economy.
Loans and money borrowed from private banks does not exist UNTIL you sign on the dotted line...in short...your signature has more value than that paper in your pocket you so highly praise.
You are also charged interest for money created out of thin air, as is our Govt.
Let me ask you this, do you know which country had the most successful monetary system EVER created, what it was called and what was used as that money???
I'll give you a hint...it wasn't paper.
Some essential reading for you:
http://www.xat.org/xat/moneyhistory.htmlMorbius Liadon wrote:Ok and now that our economy is dead, we have disbanded our standing military... It just gets even more stupid! A country NEEDS a standing, on ready, military to dissuade attacks. Does any country not have a military, excluded ones like Vatican City which are protected by other militarys? They all have a standing military because otherwise, they would just end up part of another country.
Really? i STRONGLY recommend you research General Smedley Butler and his book book: War is a Racket. you can also research what BP had our intell and troops do to Mohammed Mossadegh before you try to lecture me about standing army's.
Morbius Liadon wrote:While I don't wholly agree with Semper's post, it was well written and had strong arguments. Avenger, you on the other hand have not said a single respectable thing. I highly suggest you go study some law, politics, and economy before attempting to debate such things Avenger. GL in life hating government, and if anarchy ever does finally come about, I'll make sure to come to your house and steal your TV
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That statement alone shows that you have no idea what a true anarchist is. you also throughout your reply have attempted to 2nd guess my meanings instead of using critical thinking and RESEARCH to understand what i have posted....which is simple to understand since i don't know how to mince words and be cryptic in my meanings.
I also NEVER said or hinted that i hate the idea of having a Govt. get off your high horse and try to show some semblance of understanding.
Thank you and have a good day
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