Citibank Customers Arrested For Closing Their Accounts.

[[KMA]Avenger]

Thats good news that it is the mainstream now...

@Jim, broken by "conspiracy theorists" confirmed by the mainstream...yet another example for you

[Legendary Apophis]

Thats good news that it is the mainstream now...

@Jim, broken by "conspiracy theorists" confirmed by the mainstream...yet another example for you

I didn't say anything against the validity of this news...

[[KMA]Avenger]

I know, i wasn't referring to this news/story, or any other specific thread, i was merely pointing to the fact that MANY "stories" have been broken by the alternative news media/sources before the mainstream. meantime people that report what the alternative sources say are labelled "conspiracy theorists" or in most cases (aS HAS HAPPENED TO ME AND OTHERS IN THIS SECTION OF THE FORUM....oops, sorry bout the caps, that's a genuine mistake) even worse, questioning our sanity and so on. but when said events reported by the alternative sources are then verified in the mainstream-is there an apology or at the very least, an acknowledgement that we may be sane after all, that our sources may be credible???


Not that it matters, if i gave a rats behind i would have quit this section of the forum a long time ago

[Dubby_CompGamerGeek2]

some of them, sure...

and frankly, I believe a lot of conspiracy theories...

alot of them are pieces of your grander conspiracies...

I have no doubt of the military-industrial complex, or the prison-industrial complex, or imperialism,

or tearing down of the American Bill of Rights, or the CIA selling crack in the 1960s,

or the rush to war, or the collaboration of Ford, and GM and Exxon Mobil,
corporate media suppression of many stories,

gluttonous consumerism, or the school of the americas, or the rigging of elections near and far,

or that the Bush family made it big on selling weapons and other things to our WWII Germany, and screwing us over in a multitude of other ways,

all of these things are relatively mainstream ideas and beliefs... so many of us know this stuff,

we just haven't gotten the individual and collective willpower together yet to do much about it...



it's the ones where Bin Laden and George Bush are both intentionally working together to blow the twin towers that has me banging my head on the wall...

or the ones where environmentalists and oil companies are both intentionally working together to screw us over...

or where the hippie Green Party, which rarely wins an election to dogcatcher, let alone school board, is also trying to screw us over...

or the ones where global warming and man-made climate change are being *promoted* by American Neo-Conservative Republicans...
despite the Neo-Cons long-standing attempts to decry, discredit, and dismantle anything that promotes clean air, clean water, children who know that the earth is round, etc...

these are the kinds of things that I see as distracting...

for starters, because if true, we're totally screwed, and you have said as much...
and we might as well continue to hide under the covers like little kids...

it's not just the stories you cite...

or the usual lack of evidence generally considered to be of a credible nature...

but the way they seem to convince you...

have you ever written a college paper?

Your professor almost certainly would tell you that wikipedia, (for example),
is not a credible source, in large because it can be edited by anyone...
more so in it's earlier stages... but the stigma and some of it's faults, remain.

That wikipedia agrees with the rest of us that 1 + 1 = 2,
or that George Washington was the first president of the United States of America,
is really beside the point.

People pull strange and complex hoaxes all the time, sometimes for profit, or fame,
or to prove that the media and the rest of us can be made to believe just about anything...

and sometimes people do it because they themselves really believe in the conclusions of their government / cult / myth / bigfoot / superstition,

that the ends justify the means, and any lies or fabrications told are therefore justified...

IF you are truly trying to convince us that the status quo is not true,
your evidence generally has to be at least as compelling as their evidence.

[[KMA]Avenger]

You trying to take me for some kind of religious zealot oit to convert you with my fanaticism?

Who said i was trying to convince you of anything?


I also NEVER said ALL alternative stories/sources are credible.

[Dubby_CompGamerGeek2]

that is basically how you are perceived, mate.

both by myself and by other people I know who frequent Debate Central, or used to...



You and I have discussed your surprise at this before, I think...
I never quite knew how to respond, except to be surprised at your surprise...

and then to think, well, who does think of themselves as a zealot?

I've watched enough interviews with enough folks who generally seem to qualify in one way or another...

be it on a spiritual, political, religious, or some other level all together...

to be honest, I would prefer to agree with you over a conservative, republican, and or neo-con almost any day of the year...

though it helps that I sense a feeling of a good spirit within you and your words.



P.S. My wikipedia example was just an example...
I like them well enough for general knowledge now that they cite their sources a lot for me to check on, have a better accountability system for creating and editing works, and track the IP addresses of the creators and editors.


P.P.S. Who doesn't post in here to convince others of something?

[[KMA]Avenger]

Well, tbh i am a light hearted fellow who does REALLY enjoy a good laugh every know and then, i also don't count myself as a "conspiracy theorist" in the traditional sense (i've met some of them people...i didn't like them at all )

My true passion is ancient history. i saw ancient peoples pretty much like we all see them, but that's not who they were. what is taught in schools and mainstream books about ancient peoples is so wrong, it's the difference between black and white. the ancient people were so advanced with tech, spiritually, in the fields of medicine, mathematics, construction, civilisation, nearly everything i thought i knew about most ancient cultures was so wrong i was confused and 2 questions popped into my mind...who would/could change the history books...and more importantly, why?!

Well that's what got me searching to find out more about the ancient world. but at that time, along the way i started coming across what you and i would consider "conspiracy theories" which nearly caused me to give up...but as you may have noticed, i am a tenacious fellow, i DO NOT like being lied to so i waded through more BS theories than i care to remember until things started to become more clear to me...anyways, enough about that, just thought knowing a bit more about me would help you to understand were i am coming from sometimes...


Feel free to disagree, but no reason to do a Thriller or Hitchkok, get annoyed and leave



Back on topic?

[Dubby_CompGamerGeek2]

sure... we can take your ancient history topic somewhere else... say pm?


Soooo... the branch manager and NYPD will be trounced in public hearings in NYC and/or NYS and/or US Gov... within... a month?

especially for one stupid branch manager in particular...


and they are all going to get their sucky asses sued up the ying-yang.

(whether or not the people win... )

especially by the apparently unaffiliated lady trying to leave...


Did you see the story where a Chase Bank encountered a similar type of demonstration...

and diffused it by simply letting the people get their own money and close their accounts?

[[KMA]Avenger]

Tbh, i haven't been following up this story, or any related stories/events...maybe others have been?

[Coulson]

sure... we can take your ancient history topic somewhere else... say pm?

I'd like to be included in such a conversation. History and mythology are hobbies.

[Dubby_CompGamerGeek2]

lol... or maybe we should start a new thread?



KMA, I did about 5 - 10 minutes of google search on:

citibank arrest

and about the same amount searching google news...

[[KMA]Avenger]

sure... we can take your ancient history topic somewhere else... say pm?

I'd like to be included in such a conversation. History and mythology are hobbies.

lol... or maybe we should start a new thread?

Please feel free to start a new thread about such a topic, or you can look up some of the old threads

[Jack]

Kit-Fox, remember how I said the police will **Filtered** your **Filtered** up?



This happened on the 25th, it's as if they're reading this forum and then giving demonstrations for what I say.

[[KMA]Avenger]

There is no doubt that when you have policy enforcers firing on unarmed peaceful people/protesters that you are living in a police state. and since these incidents of policy enforcer brutality are not isolated to the US, well there's no doubt we are living in a global dictatorship. anyone who doubts that, i dare them to go and try and peacefully demonstrate anywhere near Govt buildings/banks etc. i have, though i have not seen any policy enforcer brutality myself, the policy enforcers still come out with the cameras and record and photo everyone.


Some footage of peacefully demonstrating women are first herded like animals with plastic netting and then sprayed in the face:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ05rWx1pig

I'm assuming these women's 1st and 4th amendment rights have just been violated??

free society...my arse!

[Kit-Fox]

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