Happy Birthday ETL! - TAF vs. OE

[[BoT] Jason]

Your defences only survived due to a couple of factors, the game has been a mess and the rest of the time you spend online watching your account. As the game returns to normal, so will your defences.

You forgot the factor that he's awesome...

Nah he's mouthy!

I'M AWESOME!!

I feel as the official of spandex town I get the final say on this

[Mathlord]

Don't worry man, it's 0 again

6.4 mill spies sent to sab 20k defence weapons..always a win for me!

And when have OE ever broken their word with TA? We've never had a NAP to have any word broken. I don't care how good a mate InR is, going back on a surrender is disrespectful to the unwritten rules of the game. And damn you have a big head to think that I am afraid of your defences? lmao. Your defences only survived due to a couple of factors, the game has been a mess and the rest of the time you spend online watching your account. As the game returns to normal, so will your defences.

It's not a big head...at this point, my goal is to antagonize you guys as much as possible into attempting my defense.

You didn't have enough spies to sab me, at least more than a few times, and if you got more uu I would have adjusted my setup accordingly. Damn straight I spend a lot of time on my account. I'm inspired and I'm not going to let this one be easy for you guys like with my last 30 tril defense. This time I was playing another game in one window while refreshing my attack logs on my laptop, saw you after 4 attacks. Ironically I was nudged at the exact point I noticed it by my log watching buddy

My attack super losses were always going to be high. Attacks supers are there to be killed. I know full well that most I send at you are going to their doom. By the end of our rounds of fighting, all of our stikes were getting ridiculously small Don't worry, I'll have the troops back by the time I leave PPT provided my uu sellers don't fail me Besides, you were giving me such a gift by actually trying to mass me that I just had to give you it all right back at you...luckily after everything I had just enough uu to take down mcdeadly. Shame you both went on PPT at that point, I was going to come for you next again

As for InR, I could bring up quite a few people in the server war who surrendered early on and then waited around outside the alliance sending resources to alliances in the war...many of them were to Omegans. At least with InR, he came back and didn't hide his association with us. By this point though, I've seen every way to get around a surrender...rejoining during war, resource funding, fighting a separate war on the same side...they've all happened so many times my patience for people complaining about it is pretty slim (especially when their alliance took part in it). I'll give you the slight benefit of the doubt you weren't responsible for it, but that's very slight.

TAF and OE's history is long and storied. As for NAPs, we've had quite a few over the years...generally after wars are finished fighting. Sometimes they've gone smoothly, other times they did not and were treated with less respect. It's the nature of things. We've been fighting eachother off and on for 6 years now. We're supposed to not like eachother. We're supposed to get under eachother's skin. We're supposed to have epic battles where we throw caution to the wind and mass with every unit we have. That's why I love wars with Omega. Even now as your Empire is a bit more "fun sized" than it used to be, I still long for these epic battles. They make me a better and faster fighter.

I don't have specific numbers for this battle, but here's my ME for this war so far:

[spoiler]Your Achievements (war points per in brakets)
Attack Mercs Killed (30) 232,235,644
Defence Mercs Killed (10) 621,618,224
Attack Soldiers Killed(60) 650,366
Defence Soldiers Killed(20) 2,460,559
Attack Super Soldiers Killed(300) 386,299,711
Defence Super Soldiers Killed(100) 693,433,854
Spies Killed(50) 579,636,956
Spy Killers Killed(50) 41,093,235
Mothership Weapons Destroyed(300) 16,430,582
Mothership Shields Destroyed(300) 16,230,246
Mothership Fleets Destroyed(200) 868,029
Planet Defences Destroyed(300) 1,631,776
Planets Taken(5000) 17
Naquadah Stolen(0.0001) 198,516,676,947,618
Untrained Kidnapped(50) 64,460,348
Weapon Points Destroyed (Sab+Att)(0.0001) 13,775,403,140,950
Attack Turns Used(1) 170,917
TOTAL WAR EXPERIENCE POINTS 263,077,620,962[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Your Failures
Attacking Mercenaries Lost 925,335,105
Defending Mercenaries Lost 345,286,392
Away Team Lost 0
Home Guard Lost 256,459
Super Soldier Lost 830,763,217
Super Guards Lost 193,201,360
Covert Ops Lost 137,349,636
CounterIntelligence Agents Lost 44,499,586
Mothership Weapons Lost 10,778,365
Mothership Shields Lost 17,341,260
Mothership Fleets Lost 0
Planet Defences Lost 0
Planets Lost 20
Naquadah Lost 8,586,219,780,513
Untrained Lost 69,455
Weapon Points Destroyed (Sab+Att on You) 0
Attack Turns Used Against You 24,536
Plus/Minus 0[/spoiler]

If you include spies lost sabbing me, I'm above 1.8 billion uu killed this war and if you include spies I've lost sabbing others, I'm probably between 1.4 and 1.5 billion uu lost this war. The big difference comes in weapons...I've lost about 400 million weapons this war. I've destroyed about 1.8 bil

[InR]

i heard that was a nice battle

dont worry about me too much ETL -> please

[Mathlord]

Oh dear ETL, it seems you were mistaken on those numbers...I believe your misunderstanding comes from the fact I was using mercs...LOTS of mercs, which is why I had those 4 mil losses when in fact only 1.5 mil of them (tiny number right?) were actually supers. You had no mercs tonight out there so your losses looked smaller than mine but were actually bigger in our parts of the battle. mcdeadly used mercs but he had the misfortune of a low covert power at the end.

I'm going to post the whole battle article I wrote up...the numbers are slightly off because I'm not including the final attack in each battle, but I looked them over and it doesn't really change the outcome. The total battle will be in spoilers (everyone else says thank god)

[spoiler]First Wave: ETL massing Mathlord. Mathlord waits for a war setting. Does not repair or rebuild anything while

waiting.

First Attack (1:06):
EnterTheLion sent:
1 Assassin and 62,319,276 Super Soldier and 86,382 Raiders

Mathlord resisted the aggressors with:
50,000,000 Super Guards and 54,000,000 Home Guard




Final Attack before first ETL refill (1:23):

EnterTheLion sent:
1 Assassin and 36,956,217 Super Soldier and 2,625,784 Raiders

Mathlord resisted the aggressors with:
39,294,113 Super Guards and 33,333,148 Home Guard


ETL Refill First Attack (1:24):

EnterTheLion sent:
1 Assassin and 41,005,488 Super Soldier and 2,501,445 Raiders

Mathlord resisted the aggressors with:
39,089,187 Super Guards and 32,986,047 Home Guard

Last Attack before LAG (1:25):

EnterTheLion sent:
1 Assassin and 39,954,537 Super Soldier and 2,374,507 Raiders

Mathlord resisted the aggressors with:
38,548,654 Super Guards and 32,079,005 Home Guard


Total Losses for Round One:
ETL: 26,414,010 att supers
Mathlord: 11,451,346 def supers

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

After Lag: Mathlord repairs defense and loads up on strike supers to hit ETL back

First attack by ETL on Mathlord (2:07):

EnterTheLion sent:
1 Assassin and 44,770,754 Super Soldier and 2,352,663 Raiders

Mathlord resisted the aggressors with:
38,452,283 Super Guards and 31,918,610 Home Guard

Last attack in batch by ETL on Mathlord (2:11):

EnterTheLion sent:
1 Assassin and 24,792,494 Super Soldier and 702,788 Raiders

Mathlord resisted the aggressors with:
31,771,938 Super Guards and 21,737,699 Home Guard

----

Mathlord retaliation on ETL with war setting, fast massing

First attack by Mathlord on ETL (2:09):

Mathlord sent:
1 CounterIntelligence Agents and 60,000,000 Super Soldier and 65,000,342 Away Team

EnterTheLion resisted the aggressors with:
50,046,395 Super Guards and 111 Guards


Last attack by Mathlord on ETL (2:11):

Mathlord sent:
1 CounterIntelligence Agents and 28,643,261 Super Soldier and 14,518,944 Away Team

EnterTheLion resisted the aggressors with:
28,282,671 Super Guards and 48 Guards


LAG - Game slows again. ETL and Mathlord repair and stare eachother down. WAR/WAR is in play (I think).

Total Losses for Round Two:

ETL: 19,978,260 mil att supers, 21,763,724 mil def supers
Mathlord: 6,680,345 mil def supers, 31,356,739 mil att supers

------------------------------------------------------------------------------


After new Lag. Mcdeadly enters the fray, guns firing. Mathlord takes some pot shots at him trying to get his naq

when he leaves 70 tril out while massing.

Mcdeadly's Massing Attempt Number One:

First Attack by mcdeadly on Mathlord (2:21):

mcdeadly sent:
1,265,588 CounterIntelligence Agents and 49,206,085 Super Soldier and 53,901,008 Away Team

Mathlord resisted the aggressors with:
31,483,213 Super Guards and 31,342,618 Home Guard


Last Attack by mcdeadly on Mathlord prior to Mathlord retraining supers (2:28):

mcdeadly sent:
501,199 CounterIntelligence Agents and 36,478,537 Super Soldier and 29,494,334 Away Team

Mathlord resisted the aggressors with:
22,829,091 Super Guards and 16,413,524 Home Guard

Mathlord reloads with 8 mil fresh defense supers...add 8 mil deaths to the final count. Thank you (not all died

as defense supers...some were as defense troops prior to getting trained)

Last attack by mcdeadly in Round Three (2:32):

mcdeadly sent:
273,517 CounterIntelligence Agents and 23,908,527 Super Soldier and 12,484,222 Away Team

Mathlord resisted the aggressors with:
24,472,759 Super Guards and 21,895,585 Home Guard

-----

Mathlord notices 70 tril out on mcdeadly's account and looks to get some good farming in...only problem is

mcdeadly has a 27 tril defense to Mathlord's deflated 17 tril strike. Things don't go perfectly. Note that

Mathlord added 10 mil att supers in the middle (why he started stealing naq more successfully - 7.5 tril was

taken from mcdeadly in this section)

First Attack by Mathlord on mcdeadly (2:30):

Mathlord sent:
1 CounterIntelligence Agents and 27,921,618 Super Soldier and 28,787,359 Away Team

mcdeadly resisted the aggressors with:
50,581,875 Super Guards and 50,231,721 Home Guard

Last Attack by Mathlord on mcdeadly (2:32):

Mathlord sent:
1 CounterIntelligence Agents and 34,088,808 Super Soldier and 21,530,953 Away Team

mcdeadly resisted the aggressors with:
47,642,070 Super Guards and 44,537,014 Home Guard


Total Losses for Round Three:
mcdeadly: 25,297,558 att supers, 992,071 ac units, 2,939,805 def supers
Mathlord: 15,010,454 def supers, 3,832,810 att supers

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

At 2:32, ETL takes over the massing of Mathlord, now with his war/war settings. Time to fly. Mathlord hits ETL

back once for 1 tril naq. This is how it goes. McDeadly joins the fray too thirty seconds in.

First attack by ETL on Mathlord (2:32):

EnterTheLion sent:
1 Assassin and 26,405,306 Super Soldier and 567,450 Raiders

Mathlord resisted the aggressors with:
24,252,976 Super Guards and 21,502,308 Home Guard


First attack by mcdeadly on Mathlord (2:32):

mcdeadly sent:
263,944 CounterIntelligence Agents and 23,034,993 Super Soldier and 11,571,963 Away Team

Mathlord resisted the aggressors with:
20,456,256 Super Guards and 15,248,504 Home Guard

Final attack by ETL on Mathlord (2:34):

EnterTheLion sent:
1 Assassin and 14,014,067 Super Soldier and 153,656 Raiders

Mathlord resisted the aggressors with:
19,034,814 Super Guards and 13,194,405 Home Guard

Final attack by mcdeadly on Mathlord (2:34):

mcdeadly sent:
184,839 CounterIntelligence Agents and 16,905,899 Super Soldier and 6,159,803 Away Team

Mathlord resisted the aggressors with:
17,900,448 Super Guards and 11,660,666 Home Guard

-------

Mathlord retaliates with another attempt massing ETL's defense

First attack by Mathlord on ETL (2:41):

Mathlord sent:
1 CounterIntelligence Agents and 33,303,812 Super Soldier and 31,095,227 Away Team

EnterTheLion resisted the aggressors with:
26,886,215 Super Guards and 44 Guards

Final attack by Mathlord on ETL (2:42):

Mathlord sent:
1 CounterIntelligence Agents and 12,727,916 Super Soldier and 4,432,307 Away Team

EnterTheLion resisted the aggressors with:
8,093,631 Super Guards and 38 Guards

ETL repairs, Mathlord repairs. Mcdeadly is still standing.

Total Losses for Round Four:
mcdeadly: 6,129,094 attack supers, 79,105 ac units
ETL: 12,391,239 att supers, 18,792,584 def supers
Mathlord: 6,352,528 def supers, 20,575,896 att supers

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

THE FINAL ROUND: mcdeadly vs Mathlord

mcdeadly hits Mathlord a few more times. After the turn chance, Mathlord sabs out mcdeadly's defense and proceeds

to ac him until he PPTs.

First attack by mcdeadly on Mathlord (2:47):

mcdeadly sent:
178,370 CounterIntelligence Agents and 36,381,281 Super Soldier and 5,777,506 Away Team

Mathlord resisted the aggressors with:
25,711,172 Super Guards and 25,414,070 Home Guard

Final attack by mcdeadly on Mathlord (2:51):

mcdeadly sent:
160,291 CounterIntelligence Agents and 32,221,631 Super Soldier and 4,507,404 Away Team

Mathlord resisted the aggressors with:
25,036,287 Super Guards and 24,091,244 Home Guard

-----------------

12 sabs of mcdeadly by Mathlord: First one: 76 mil spies, 72.2 mil return. 12,010,793 weapons destroyed. Totals

for 12 sabs: Mathlord loses 45.6 million spies. mcdeadly loses 104,901,699 weapons.

First attack (3 turn) by Mathlord on mcdeadly (3:08):

Mathlord sent:
50,000,000 CounterIntelligence Agents and 12,464,752 Super Soldier and 4,249,021 Away Team

mcdeadly resisted the aggressors with:
47,046,545 Super Guards and 43,423,589 Home Guard

eliminate 876292 of mcdeadly's Covert Ops!

Second attack (15 turn) by Mathlord on mcdeadly (3:08):

Mathlord sent:
50,000,000 CounterIntelligence Agents and 12,464,752 Super Soldier and 4,249,021 Away Team

mcdeadly resisted the aggressors with:
46,811,313 Super Guards and 42,989,355 Home Guard

eliminate 4328886 of mcdeadly's Covert Ops!


Final attack (15 turn) by Mathlord on mcdeadly (3:08):

Mathlord sent:
50,000,000 CounterIntelligence Agents and 12,464,752 Super Soldier and 4,249,021 Away Team

mcdeadly resisted the aggressors with:
32,019,913 Super Guards and 19,916,601 Home Guard

eliminate 1711174 of mcdeadly's Covert Ops!

Total Losses for Round 5:
mcdeadly: 4,159,650 att supers, 15,026,632 def supers, 44,504,433 mil spies (roughly), 104,901,699 weapons
Mathlord: 674,885 def supers, 45,600,000 spies


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Total Losses for Round One:
ETL: 26,414,010 att supers
Mathlord: 11,451,346 def supers


Total Losses for Round Two:
ETL: 19,978,260 mil att supers, 21,763,724 mil def supers
Mathlord: 6,680,345 mil def supers, 31,356,739 mil att supers


Total Losses for Round Three:
mcdeadly: 25,297,558 att supers, 992,071 ac units, 2,939,805 def supers
Mathlord: 15,010,454 def supers, 3,832,810 att supers


Total Losses for Round Four:
mcdeadly: 6,129,094 attack supers, 79,105 ac units
ETL: 12,391,239 att supers, 18,792,584 def supers
Mathlord: 6,352,528 def supers, 20,575,896 att supers

Total Losses for Round 5:
mcdeadly: 4,159,650 att supers, 15,026,632 def supers, 44,504,433 mil spies (roughly), 104,901,699 weapons
Mathlord: 674,885 def supers, 45,600,000 spies


Total Losses Overall:

EnterTheLion:
58,783,509 att supers
40,556,308 def supers

mcdeadly:
35,586,302 att supers
17,966,437 def supers
44,504,433 spies
1,071,176 ac units
104,901,699 weapons

Mathlord:
55,765,445 att supers
40,169,558 def supers
45,600,000 spies[/spoiler]

I'll also post out of the spoiler the important part:


Total Losses Overall:

EnterTheLion:
58,783,509 att supers
40,556,308 def supers

mcdeadly:
35,586,302 att supers
17,966,437 def supers
44,504,433 spies
1,071,176 ac units
104,901,699 weapons

Mathlord:
55,765,445 att supers
40,169,558 def supers
45,600,000 spies

[BMMJ13]

Sometimes I feel like I'm the 3rd wheel. 2 of us off PPT and 2 of you off PPT and you both decide to tango with Mathlord.

Soon my incoming logs are going to be barren, only person in it so far got devastating.

Attacks on You (last 10 days)
Time Enemy Result Attacks Enemy Losses Your Losses Damage by You Damage to You Report
Oct 31, 00:21 Sovetski Attack defended 15 591,950 0 15,190,313,472,000 3,036,658,120,650 details
1 attacks total | page 1 of 1

Nice Job to Mathlord, not only did you stop two massings, but ended up massing one of them down quite a bit and sabbed the other out and ac'd them only for them to run to ppt. It was a shame mcdeadly, if only I hadn't given all my mercs to Mathlord I too might of got some of that nice 70 tril naq you pulled out in the middle of battle.

[Mathlord]

Attacking Mercenaries Lost 925,335,105

NOM NOM NOM I LOVE MERCS

Bmmj

[HgE]

I'd like to thanks Yvonne16 for the nice Plat('s??) and Defense on her planets. Also, Longlocks for the same thing + a nice Defense.

To Wrath of Achilles for doing his duty. Was nice catching me.

[mcdeadly]

Yeah I was pretty lucky there. Beers and buttons don't always seem to work well together but lucky for me I didn't loose my naq.

That was fun last night. What was your covert in the end mathlord? Last I saw it was over 200t. I could never stop you sobbing me with that.

Well played.

[Mathlord]

130 tril, it was lower while I was ac'ing you. That was the one time ETL had an opening, I was freaking out trying to hit you as fast as I could before he caught on and started sabbing

Big props to you for coming out swinging Made my night man!

[SSG EnterTheLion]

No omegan returned to the war who had surrendered! This I know for a fact. The ones who did return had left but hadn't surrendered. If any Omegan was foolish enough to surrender, they lost their place for all time in the OE, so it was something we kept track of. I believe so did DDE, infact those people were called 'runners'.

Now I know we have our disagreements, but these games can't enforce someone's decision, so their word is important. If this is how it's played, I could order every Omegan into vacation mode and just not play. Why should we waste stuff on an alliance that always intended to snipe. Yes one or two of your hundred odd players keep defences (SOMETIMES) but as we proved when we descended above 70 percent of your alliance, what's the point if only one alliance is willing to play.

You realise what's to stop me from ordering a few Omegans to surrender, build up and then suddenly strike. Following InR's example, nothing! But of course, as usual I expect the whole Omega is evil so I can do what I want schtick!

[Lithium]

ill try te rem tht for the next time u go off for weeks and see who fights in OE

[BMMJ13]

Fact is we are keeping our defenses and you aren't. Every omegan who has built up has either been 0'd or forced onto ppt soon after coming off ppt, where as we have been able to defend attacks on us or have log watchers defend them. Multiple omegans have tried Mathlord but he has stopped the attack in all cases and more often than not turned it around and destroyed the opponent. I haven't been touched at all in the past 3 weeks since I came off vacation. Huxley tried to mass King Pin but we alliance repaired and someone else jumped on Huxley and got him down. On the flip side, just yesterday two omegans were either sabbed out or massed while they were online and both lost about 50 mil spies. You yourself talk big ETL, however you had a 20 bil defense for the past 3 weeks before you built up, either out of choice or inactivity. For how much you complain about sniping, you sure do a lot of it.

[Mathlord]

No omegan returned to the war who had surrendered! This I know for a fact. The ones who did return had left but hadn't surrendered. If any Omegan was foolish enough to surrender, they lost their place for all time in the OE, so it was something we kept track of. I believe so did DDE, infact those people were called 'runners'.

Now I know we have our disagreements, but these games can't enforce someone's decision, so their word is important. If this is how it's played, I could order every Omegan into vacation mode and just not play. Why should we waste stuff on an alliance that always intended to snipe. Yes one or two of your hundred odd players keep defences (SOMETIMES) but as we proved when we descended above 70 percent of your alliance, what's the point if only one alliance is willing to play.

You realise what's to stop me from ordering a few Omegans to surrender, build up and then suddenly strike. Following InR's example, nothing! But of course, as usual I expect the whole Omega is evil so I can do what I want schtick!

ETL we've been building defenses this entire war. Your mighty empire has been missing a lot of them. Does every TAF member build? Of course not, does every OE member?

Although you do have a point...I haven't built a defense in almost three weeks. I must really be slipping...oh wait it's because noone has massed mine.

Kudo's you successfully descended the majority of a training alliance in TAF...I love how that's the stat you keep coming back to. You don't mass our defenses. You don't break our will, but you sure do descend some players! Don't get me wrong, it's a testament to the toc's in OE and you use them well, but that is a small part of a bigger war. The fact of the matter is, your empire is 1/3 the size it was in May of this year. You can talk about how it was this empire decision or that one. How your enemies have never had anything to do with it and more power to you. Omega has seen its best days come and go. If the best threat you can make is that you'll have a bunch of your people surrender, build up and come at us again or you'll all just go to vac mode, then I'm sorry ETL, but you've lost already.

There was a time in this game when people were terrified of your name. Of what Omega would do to them if they even dared disagree with them on the forums and with good reason. Your empire had faster trigger fingers than anyone I've ever seen. Those days are fading away. There was a time that when you were at war with Omega and you built something, it would be gone in an hour with ten people jumping on you until you had nothing left. That was the Omega I've known for a long time. That I've fought for a long time. That too is fading away.

I don't feel sorry for you. You've done so much bad to my friends and my alliance over the years. Caused many friends of mine to quit for your sport. This is how it always should have been. TAF vs OE. The old ones fighting for our pride and honor. To honor our fallen members and our history until something substantial is decided between us.

ETL, you and Omega are welcome to do whatever pleases you. We gave you an out early on in this war which you laughed off. Now I guess you'll just have to deal with these "snipers" with defenses larger than your empire's sitting on everything you build. This war has brought my interest back to the game in full force. I look forward to seeing what happens next

[dazman]

Taf sure is talking big about having defenses. When I was around I was up top, not getting touched for months, no one in TAF have stats then.

And as soon as a few fighters in OE go on vacation TAF claim OE do nothing anymore.

Kinda funny since the few months before, not much happened in TAF.

Almost makes me want to come back and mass you all again.

[Rudy Peña]

You gave us an early out.

Asking for a 6 month NAP for a few short weeks. Hell the Sever War was 2 years and that was a 3 month NAP. You guys wanted to surrender in return for a 6 month NAP for fighting for a few weeks.

You guys talk about massing and 0 def'. I had a 2.8tril def for like 2 months with no attacks on me whatever, then a 5 tril def for about 2 month, untill you massed it about 1 month ago Math. During that time, I was farming for over 20bil for quite a while.