G&R points for not ascended accounts

[The Dalek Empire]

Would it have to be limited to % bonuses to stats though?

The way I see it, Ascension literally evolves you as a being. Your units are better, you are better, everything is further down this evolutionary pathway.

Now, instead of the "mortal" races getting enhancements like those, how about they have the option to slowly (and progressively more expensively) purchase new technologies that have in game effects rather than sweeping bonuses?

Point of reference - in the show they develop technologies and so on to battle against the Ascended, where as the Ascended use the knowledge of the universe and enhanced troops etc.

You could "cache in" 1000 G&R to get an upgrade to your unique techm or any number of other things that I have not thought of yet.

[Bahamut]

well unique for goa'uld is probably bigest ....


the only unique tech that don't work anything on 10k losses u get some 100 uu maybe

as for other u just mixed words

yes baal was on earth stealing tech from tauri etc

[Bazsy]

I like this idea very much!
I dont want to ascend too and have GnR and want some extra... So 1 yes if a vote will created:)

[Anubis]

ok that sounds more acceptable, altho when an ascended account gets descended and it will loose all its abilities there should be some way for normal accounts to sabotage some1 elses techtree or something tbh.

edit : maybe a certain amount of G&R points needed more then 1k

[[SGC_ReplicÅtors]]

i say the non acsended accounts can use there Glory points as weapons boosters what i mean is....(i am srry f this idea has been posted i didnt want to read the other pages...)

FOr example lets take a Repli-Bomb

Repli-Bomb 2560/2560

Let say for every 500(glory points can be adjusted) points or something u can boost the weps by 1 like this.

Repli-Bomb 2560/(2560+1)

or maybe every get a free UP cost of 500(again glory points can be adjusted) glory points or somehting


why not stop there....
what about unit prices maybe for every 10k Glory points we can bring down the price of units getting trianed by 100 naq or something.

[Bahamut]

i say the non acsended accounts can use there Glory points as weapons boosters what i mean is....(i am srry f this idea has been posted i didnt want to read the other pages...)

FOr example lets take a Repli-Bomb

Repli-Bomb 2560/2560

Let say for every 500(glory points can be adjusted) points or something u can boost the weps by 1 like this.

Repli-Bomb 2560/(2560+1)

or maybe every get a free UP cost of 500(again glory points can be adjusted) glory points or somehting


why not stop there....
what about unit prices maybe for every 10k Glory points we can bring down the price of units getting trianed by 100 naq or something.

well if u unlock 1st ADITIONAL tech upgrade and use it on siege upgrade,
then u would get +5% to your attack

with +1 addon to weapon strength well i think that is bellow 0.5%

or u had soemthing else on mind?


maybe ability to unlock new weapon, that has strength arround 3860/3860

[daivahataka]

How about something simple, compensating you for the G&R but giving little since you couldn't be bothered to make the effort of ascending and rebuilding:
e.g.
1000 G&R points - Your strong reputation and the promise of great victory and glory in battle has drawn new followers to you (+10,000UU).
It'd give you something to spend your G&R points on but would not detract from the benefits of ascending.

[Bahamut]

well u see problem is in not wanting to ascend

[[SGC_ReplicÅtors]]

i say the non acsended accounts can use there Glory points as weapons boosters what i mean is....(i am srry f this idea has been posted i didnt want to read the other pages...)

FOr example lets take a Repli-Bomb

Repli-Bomb 2560/2560

Let say for every 500(glory points can be adjusted) points or something u can boost the weps by 1 like this.

Repli-Bomb 2560/(2560+1)

or maybe every get a free UP cost of 500(again glory points can be adjusted) glory points or somehting


why not stop there....
what about unit prices maybe for every 10k Glory points we can bring down the price of units getting trianed by 100 naq or something.

well if u unlock 1st ADITIONAL tech upgrade and use it on siege upgrade,
then u would get +5% to your attack

with +1 addon to weapon strength well i think that is bellow 0.5%

or u had soemthing else on mind?


maybe ability to unlock new weapon, that has strength arround 3860/3860

we could do that too but ppl will then just change there entire weps armory into the best one and plus when u ascended u get plus 5% to everything. With the idea i posted its some what like ascendeding u get ur glory points added to ur weps overall power. May not be much but it will grow in due time

[Bahamut]

yes but then only ascended ones could tell u get it to cheap

but if u would need to pay to unlock aditional upgrade starting with 50 bil for 1st upgrade and increasing that cost with every new level of upgrade, then they couldn't complain to much.

and i'm personally against such cheap version

levels of unlocking should follow ascended accounts 1000G&Rp, 2000G&Rp, 3000G&Rp etc

i know we would have disadvantage because if and when this sugestion goes as upgrade it will past atleast one month

but i wouldn't like for others to say that we got something for free

[Spoon]

I am assuming then that when you purchase these upgrades you are speaking about that as you are adding 5% to certain stats without any form of disadvantage, you should at least lose all your glory for each upgrade (say you have 10k glory but the first upgrade only costs 1k, you should still lose all 10k as you can only do one upgrade at a time).

For ascension to get to living god your account has to be reset 5 times at least, the same should hold true for these bonuses even if it is in a smaller way. You are saying 50bill naq in addition to the G&R maybe it should cost UU and it should be linked to your UP like it is in ascension then you get your UP reset like those of us who are ascending do, as well as have the stat in question reset (not sure how that would work for income).

One last point to add to this, I dont elive that you should be able to upgrade you races primary stat more than once as especially for asgards adding 10% to their primary bonus to make plus 35% to defence is just crazy.

[Bahamut]

yes spoon my 10k g&r points would be deleted after first upgrade

i didn't had on mind to use first 1000 then other 2000 then 3000 then 4000 that i have now

use of points same as for ascension same rule

u are speaking of loosing stuff

well we are not speaking of completly new aspect of playing for those who choose not to ascend

we are speaking of possibiltiy to upgrade main account as there is a lot of players who are here from begining and simply do not want to handle two accounts

but if u wona speak about ascension, it is to cheap in all aspects it doesn't cost u a lot at all, because there is to many living gods at this time (but as i earlier wrote it is for other topic)

u want us to loose uu or up why?

we are not speaking of transfering to higher plane of existance, we are speaking of abillity to customize main account with some aditional perks ( it would be like all those espionage we do when we spy on other accounts became worthy something like stealling technology from other races and adopting them to benefit us)

if u do full ascension and become LIVING GOD and with ascended blessing on work, well those aditional perks to main accounts are nothing comparing the benefit of ascended accounts with ascended blesing ( i hit guy who had 20 bil def and i had 26 bil attack +4bil from mothership, oh i was suprised when i checked attack log he smah me back with 40 bilion lol, and i said by to 3 bilion he had on hand, not to say how much supers killed in that atack)

BUT!

i was granted accces by admin to check some things (2nd account is allready deleted) and now i will go and work on my other epic post with full info on aditional tech that should be implemented

[Spoon]

I suggested losing stuff as it is improving your main account which is in most cases the main reason why people originally ascended, but for something like this to be implemented it gives people an option that wasnt available to a lot of players who started the (long in most cases) road to living god, to make it so that nothing is lost gives the unascended a big advantage over those who have only ascended once and are struggling to reascend. If everyone who had ascended had ben able to do what some players have done and rush straight to living god I would have no problems with this but some difficult and or very expensive payment should be required to improve a stat by 5%.

I apologise for using 10k G&R as my example, it was using you but that did stick in my mind as one of the more prominant examples of how this upgrade could go wrong if G&R wasnt wiped after each bonus.

[Bahamut]

ok this is exactly what i had on mind

current state:

ASGARD TECH TREE +25% on defense, race base

Siege attack:
- classic asgard mothership (+65%)
- the jack oneil model mothership (+70%)

Defence fortification:
- asgard defended city (+30% )
- asgard defended planet ( +40% )

Covert Enhancements:
-visual recorder drone (+20% )
-mind computer integration ( +35% )

AntiCovert Enhancements:
race base tech:
-memory display drone (anticovert)
upgrades:
- mind computer disintegration ( +35% )

Unique:
- holographic city duplication ( +5% )
- holographic city duplication ( +15% )
CREATES A FALSE TARGET THAT ENEMIES MAY STRIKE INSTEAD OF YOUR REALM, THEY STILL USE FULL TURNS

GOA’ULD TECH TREE +25% on income race base

Siege attack:
- Alkesh bomber support ( +55% )
- Hatak mothership support (+70%)

Defense fortification:
- Pyramid (+30% )
- Dominated world ( +60% )

Covert Enhancements:
- mobile rings (+20% )
- personal stealth tech ( +30% )

AntiCovert Enhancements:
upgrades:
- HandHeld truth device ( +20% )
- ArmLance of vision ( +30% )

Unique:
- host processing facility ( +5% )
- advanced host processing facility ( +10% )
CONVERTS ENEMY DEAD INTO SELF UNTRAINED UNITS

REPLICATOR TECH TREE +25% on covert race base

Siege attack:
- Replicator Converted ship support ( +50% )
- large scale nano infection ray ( +60%)

Defence fortification:
- fully infected planet ( +55% )
- fully converted planet ( +65% )

Covert Enhancements:
- Item MIMICRY programing ( +10% )
- humanoid MIMICRY programing ( +20% )

AntiCovert Enhancements:
race base tech:
-neural inhibitors(anticovert)
upgrades:
- spiked memory retrieval unit ( +20% )
- environmental behaviourial routine generator ( +35% )

Unique:
- Unit regeneration subroutine( +5% )
- advanced Unit regeneration subroutine( +10% )
REGENERATES SELF KILLED UNITS


TAURI TECH TREE - +25% on attack race base

Siege attack:
- Ground support ( +20% )
- Air Support ( +45%)

Defence fortification:
- command outpost ( +45% )
- underground military base ( +55% )

Covert Enhancements:
- enhanced camouflage ( +25% )
- Reverse Engineered Personelle Cloaking Technology ( +30% )

AntiCovert Enhancements:
race base tech:
-Nid interrogation techniques(anticovert)
upgrades:
- mobile deprograming camps
Unique:
- Rapid evacuation technology ( +5% )
- advanced Rapid evacuation technology ( +10% )
ALLOWS QUICK STRIKE ON THE ENEMY, WITH A RAPID EVACUATION BEFORE THE ENEMY COULD STRIKE BACK. FULL GAINS ARE STILL OBTAINED

as result of full upgrades i have now screen like this:



so those above are base tech upgrades(and as u can see fully upgraded), and with this idea we would have possibility of upgrading additional technologies (buttons for each level of upgrading), limiting race base addon.


ASGARD ADDON TECH TREE

ATTACK ENHANCEMENTS:

- Tauri advanced military training program - mind integration level1 ( +5% to attack )
- Tauri advanced military training program - mind integration level2 ( +10% to attack )
- Tauri advanced military training program - mind integration level3 ( +15% to attack )
- Tauri advanced military training program - mind integration level4 ( +20% to attack )
- Tauri advanced military training program - mind integration level5 ( +25% to attack )

DEFENSE ENHANCEMENTS:

- Asgard holographic mothership fleet - level1 ( +5% to defnse )
- Asgard holographic mothership fleet - level2 ( +10% to defense )
base race advantages are to be limited to only 2 upgrades

COVERT ENHANCEMENTS:

- cloned humanform replicators - level1 ( +5% to covert )
- cloned humanform replicators - level2 ( +10% to covert )
- cloned humanform replicators - level3 ( +15% to covert )
- cloned humanform replicators - level4 ( +20% to covert )
- cloned humanform replicators - level5 ( +25% to covert )

PRODUCTIVITY ENHANCEMENTS:

- Kull warrior producing technology - level1 ( +5% to income )
- Kull warrior producing technology - level2 ( +10% to income )
- Kull warrior producing technology - level3 ( +15% to income )
- Kull warrior producing technology - level4 ( +20% to income )
- Kull warrior producing technology - level5 ( +25% to income )

GOA’ULD ADDON TECH TREE

ATTACK ENHANCEMENTS:

- Tauri advanced military training program - Kull warrior mind integration level1 ( +5% to attack )
- Tauri advanced military training program - Kull warrior mind integration level2 ( +10% to attack )
- Tauri advanced military training program - Kull warrior mind integration level3 ( +15% to attack )
- Tauri advanced military training program - Kull warrior mind integration level4 ( +20% to attack )
- Tauri advanced military training program - Kull warrior mind integration level5 ( +25% to attack )

DEFENSE ENHANCEMENTS:

- Asgard holographic projection technology - level1 ( +5% to defense )
- Asgard holographic projection technology - level2 ( +10% to defense )
- Asgard holographic projection technology - level3 ( +15% to defense )
- Asgard holographic projection technology - level4 ( +20% to defense )
- Asgard holographic projection technology - level5 ( +25% to defense )

COVERT ENHANCEMENTS:

- cloned humanform replicators - level1 ( +5% to covert )
- cloned humanform replicators - level2 ( +10% to covert )
- cloned humanform replicators - level3 ( +15% to covert )
- cloned humanform replicators - level4 ( +20% to covert )
- cloned humanform replicators - level5 ( +25% to covert )

PRODUCTIVITY ENHANCEMENTS:

- Advanced Kull warrior producing technology - level1 ( +5% to income )
- Advanced Kull warrior producing technology - level2 ( +10% to income )
base race advantages are to be limited to only 2 upgrades


REPLICATOR ADDON TECH TREE

ATTACK ENHANCEMENTS:

- Tauri advanced military training program - human-form Replicators mind integration level1 ( +5% to attack )
- Tauri advanced military training program - human-form Replicators mind integration level2 ( +10% to attack )
- Tauri advanced military training program - human-form Replicators mind integration level3 ( +15% to attack )
- Tauri advanced military training program - human-form Replicators mind integration level4 ( +20% to attack )
- Tauri advanced military training program - human-form Replicators mind integration level5 ( +25% to attack )

DEFENSE ENHANCEMENTS:

- Replicated Asgard holographic projection technology - level1 ( +5% to defense )
- Replicated Asgard holographic projection technology - level2 ( +10% to defense )
- Replicated Asgard holographic projection technology - level3 ( +15% to defense )
- Replicated Asgard holographic projection technology - level4 ( +20% to defense )
- Replicated Asgard holographic projection technology - level5 ( +25% to defense )

COVERT ENHANCEMENTS:

- Replicated cloning technology - level1 ( +5% to covert )
- Replicated cloning technology - level2 ( +10% to covert )
base race advantages are to be limited to only 2 upgrades

PRODUCTIVITY ENHANCEMENTS:

- Replicated Kull warrior producing technology - level1 ( +5% to income )
- Replicated Kull warrior producing technology - level2 ( +10% to income )
- Replicated Kull warrior producing technology - level3 ( +15% to income )
- Replicated Kull warrior producing technology - level4 ( +20% to income )
- Replicated Kull warrior producing technology - level5 ( +25% to income )

TAURI ADDON TECH TREE

ATTACK ENHANCEMENTS:

- Tauri advanced military training program - mind integration level1 ( +5% to attack )
- Tauri advanced military training program - mind integration level2 ( +10% to attack )
base race advantages are to be limited to only 2 upgrades

DEFENSE ENHANCEMENTS:

- Asgard holographic projection technology - level1 ( +5% to defense )
- Asgard holographic projection technology - level2 ( +10% to defense )
- Asgard holographic projection technology - level3 ( +15% to defense )
- Asgard holographic projection technology - level4 ( +20% to defense )
- Asgard holographic projection technology - level5 ( +25% to defense )

COVERT ENHANCEMENTS:

- cloned humanform replicators - level1 ( +5% to covert )
- cloned humanform replicators - level2 ( +10% to covert )
- cloned humanform replicators - level3 ( +15% to covert )
- cloned humanform replicators - level4 ( +20% to covert )
- cloned humanform replicators - level5 ( +25% to covert )

PRODUCTIVITY ENHANCEMENTS:

- Kull warrior producing technology - level1 ( +5% to income )
- Kull warrior producing technology - level2 ( +10% to income )
- Kull warrior producing technology - level3 ( +15% to income )
- Kull warrior producing technology - level4 ( +20% to income )
- Kull warrior producing technology - level5 ( +25% to income )


wich would at the end result with screen like this:




TO SPOON

Loosing stuff.

as benefits of full ascension are more then double now to be exact now are 75% more then regular accounts, and since there is ability to transfer uu and no uu is required to ascend, u only loose trained military persons and those uu that are taxed on transfers

U don't need 1 spie to ascend u don't need uu to ascend, u need trained attack and defense units (wich can be mercenaries) u need arround 100 bilion to regain preascension status and start gathering G&R points.

So honestly i don't see why we should loose any stuff for this.
maybe if one new weapon would be introduced, by power in middle with current main account and ascended account (best weapon of lets say 3860/3860) then we would need to sell all best 2560/2560 wepons so we would losse 5%.

we would have 3 type of accounts

regular main +25%
customized main +50% (5 times tech upgrade)
ascension shell '+100% (5 times ascension)

so cost of ascension is arround 100bil
50 bil should be good starting point for customized account tech upgrades, and those should raise for each tech upgrade by 10 -25 bil !


heh long one

[Flavar]

do you know how expensive it si to get a ,libing god?
I dont think so. It shoudl have been far more than half a million UU . And lets dotn talk about the naq.
Now you want a bonus for those who didnot pay all this... Thats just wrong eihter use them for what they were thought or let it be. It simple woudlnot be fair for all those that did it and make the game way to unbalanced..

If you stay the same race you dotn need any bonuy because you safe all the costs of ascending. IF i still had all that i spen d on it. well lets say a 25 % increase to all stats woudl bbe nothing.