Bloody Argie-bargies

[MEZZANINE]

Well, this is the news again. Any thoughts?

Nothing has changed since my previous comments, Argies are sabre rattling in the hope we will buy peace with a cut of any oil profits that come out of the region. The Argies have the capability to take the Islands by force and we do not have the capability to repel an invasion unilaterally so IMO a deal will be done.

Damn out stupid politicians, they know full well we dont need Nukes, the only reason to buy Nukes is to keep the US happy as the US sells them to us an enormous cost. The money should be spent on conventional weapons/ships/aircraft and an increase in our standing army, things we will actually need to use.

@ Tek, In the event of war the French will defer to the UN as a higher authority and the UN would talk us all to death before doing a damn thing.

[Tek]

France has something to do with this England/Argentina conflict over Falklands?

I vaguely recall within the 50 year military agreement between the UK/France that part of the shared carrier agreement included something regarding the defence of the falklands. Basically an admission that the british goverment had left itself over extended in terms of naval capabilities IMO

@ Mezz, ah i see. We should get those rowing teams from oxford/cambridge tooled up and ready to roll

[Juliette]

don't the terms of the Entente Frugale (or whatever it's called) agreement with france include carrier support for the defence of the falklands?

Theoretically, it does, as in 'mutual use of carrier facilities'. It does not call for the French to move a carrier to a 'fitting' position, however, and you cannot reasonably believe that the Illustrious alone could provide a suitable platform for island defence.

[Kit-Fox]

Thats it damned Argies should be declared persona non-grata in the UK.

Using the Olympic Games as a way of asserting a political issue is utterly disgracful, they should be shown the door, with extreme predjudice!

[Juliette]

Thats it damned Argies should be declared persona non-grata in the UK.

Using the Olympic Games as a way of asserting a political issue is utterly disgracful, they should be shown the door, with extreme predjudice!

Away with diplomacy! Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the dogs of war!

[Kit-Fox]

Thats it damned Argies should be declared persona non-grata in the UK.

Using the Olympic Games as a way of asserting a political issue is utterly disgracful, they should be shown the door, with extreme predjudice!

Away with diplomacy! Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the dogs of war!

Diplomacy only works if the otherside has any kind of civilisation.

They cleary dont as their actions again quite clearly show.

So why bother with words? They should be shown the door by the IOC & Locog & the UK Gov ought to show some goddamn needed leadership and make it highly clear if they (the Argies) are gonna **Filtered** around they can take it elsewhere

EDIT: I have realised that I've just assumed everyone has been paying attention & knows what i'm referrring to, however you may not. Just in case I@m referring about the following

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17948710

And Universe/Juliette or whatever you're calling yourself these days, they know its wrong to do it, the IOC have in previous games told Argentina quite clearly to not raise the issue & why they shouldnt raise the issue, they seem to have forgotten that & so must be reminded that the Olympics are not a springboard for political posturing

[Juliette]

Oh, I know what you are talking about, I do read the news quite a bit. You are quite right, of course. There is no such thing as Islas Malvinas.

Hence my call to let slip the dogs of war. Like the Argentinian in the video says; "We are just defending our soil with the weapons we have.." See how he likes a Trident in his back yard.

[[KMA]Avenger]

I don't understand why you people wind yourselves up about a plot of land on the other side of the world!
Who the hell cares?! all this crap about it's our land and we are the big dogs and we'll kick your teeth down your throat, and stop using the olympics as a political instrument blah blah bla!
When the **Filtered** will people learn to live in peace and with love in their hearts?!?!
There's 1 truth that has been proven by history and anybody who argues against what i say now is a fool of the highest order (if you are a fool, then offence intended), violence begets violence. there are other ways to resolve this peacefully and for all time....but i spose we have to show the world we are still as strong as ever...bollocks to it all!!!

[Juliette]

G, you are without a doubt the most naive person I know.

[[KMA]Avenger]

I had this lovely post i spent 10 mins typing up in response to that and then it hit me...why the hell are you bothering when people don't/refuse (take your pick) to listen?!


I am not as "naive" as you assume i am. and you are not as smart as you think you are

[Juliette]

Oh, you presume to know that I think I am smart? Why are you so incredibly emotional?
And yes, you are bloody naive. Thinking that humanity can 'save itself' by 'changing', ha! If there was ever a delusion of grandeur, which I consider the epitome of naivete, it is that ridiculous notion.

[[KMA]Avenger]

Oh, you presume to know that I think I am smart? Why are you so incredibly emotional?
And yes, you are bloody naive. Thinking that humanity can 'save itself' by 'changing', ha! If there was ever a delusion of grandeur, which I consider the epitome of naivete, it is that ridiculous notion.

Don't get me wrong, i never assumed you was smart (or that you are dumb, or i am smarter and know something you don't).

You're right, i am a VERY emotional person, but i'm not applying any kind of emotion to this. it simply staggers my mind that people can be so...how can i put this...not blind, that's not exactly right....i know...how people can have such a "tunnel" vision of life-such a narrow view of the world and how we should be towards each other. it doesn't have to be this way.

There is a myth that permeates society (well, a few myths actually), "this is how it is/it can only be like this/nothing changes/i/you can't change anything so why try/it doesn't concern/affect me", take your pick, they all apply equally to today's world....see where i am coming from?


You can call that naivety if you like, that's your right obviously, but i don't see the world in absolutes...how can it be absolute when all matter is energy? all things in this "reality" exist as energy, the way i see it, that means ANYTHING and EVERYTHING is possible.

Unless you try and understand what i mean you just won't understand what i am trying to say....if you follow me

[Kit-Fox]

Are you somehow suggesting that the Argies shouldnt be punatively punished for acting against the whole spirit of the modern Olympics??

The punishment is clearly laid out by the IOC and Argentina has in the past been warned & explictly told that the Games are not to be used for such messages.

Just because these Games are being held in London (who they view as their enemy) does not negate those rules and agreements.

Oh yeah the Argies have also signed a contract with the IOC, like every other country who competes has, that all athletes invovled will refrain from making any political statements in relation to the Games.

Ergo the solution is clear ; The Argie team should be declared persona non grata & they should be kicked out of this Olympics & perhaps the next as well, so they actually get the message

[[KMA]Avenger]

Again dealing in absolutes...because we have a piece of paper things have to be this way and no other is possible?

There are other better and more peaceful ways of dealing with Argentina and the Falklands issue.

[Kit-Fox]

Again dealing in absolutes...because we have a piece of paper things have to be this way and no other is possible?

There are other better and more peaceful ways of dealing with Argentina and the Falklands issue.

If you agree to a contract KMA that has clauses in it detailling punishments if you deviate from the agreed behaviours laid down in the contract are you saying that those clauses should be null & void simply because the world isnt an absolute.

Careful here, you may find such a world not to your liking if all contracts were to be dealt as such

And what better ways exactly?

I remind you the UK has since the 1400/1500 hundreds had a marker stone in place on the falkland islands declaring it our territory.

While perhaps thats a bit tenuous, we placed our claim when the islands were uninhabited!

We placed our claim internationally before argentina even existed!

Spain / France & Holland have all withdrawn military forces from the falklands in the past when we have pointed out our claim to them. In the case of the French & Spanish both at times when their Navys clearly outmatched the UK navy!

And most importantly the actual people who live there KMA want to be British! They explictly dont want us to leave!


The damnable Argies however want to take over by force & if they do they will with force evict all non agentinians as they were planning to do in '82 and grant the lands to those who please their military junta. In fact I'd like to point out that the argentinian Junta was planning on taking the Small detachment of Marines they captured on the islands when they invaded back to argentina, putting on a show trial & then executing them as invaders. It was only the swift actions of the UK Gov at the time in despatching military forces to the Islands that stopped those plans!!!


There is no better way to deal with than a swift and clear message to the blockheads!

They wont accept any compromises & you are seriously deluding yourself if you think they will

Tell me this KMA, as I recall you are of Greek extraction?? (cant recall it was so long ago) Would you allow citizens of Turkey or Cyprus so walk / dance & do other things over Greek War memorials, while talking about how they will take the land those memorials stand on????

(replace nationality with whatever it is, if i'm wrong btw)