For Everyone Fenrir Scammed

[|D3v1L|]

this thread is going south please close before bad blood arises

[~wolverine~]

il say it again,

I'm still with Clarkey at this point and always will be, i have never been scammed, i know its a very real risk, and i'm naturally cautious. If i was silly enough to not to get (at least 5) references from a trader and do my in depth background check, and then pay half now half after i have the stuff for example and got scammed, i would not trade with the scammer again, however i would NOT scam my stuff back from him/her i would simply write it off as a bad debt. If someone was to offer my stuff back for free after i had written it off i would share it with my alliance (as i had already written it off it wouldn't cause a shortfall in my accounts to ignore it and share it with alliance mates).

In the real world business's have an account called allowance for doubtful debt, this account is sort of a safeguard, your know you wont get all of your creditors to pay you so you put some aside for the inevitable bad debt that you will suffer at some point. NO one that i know of does this in this game bar myself, and i don't really trade much.....

Scamming someone bad for a good cause is never that simple, there are always repercussions eg. If i was to steal for a nasty Dictator and give the money to charity, he will go on a killing spree. If i was to steal money from a big corporation that was exploiting child labor and give to charity, well the company might go down, thousands of people would lose their jobs, homes, their children would be hungry and homeless.

My point is this, who are we to take these things into our own hands when we wont ever know the full extent of the damage it will do, robin hood got people killed...

If you want scamming to stop, do it the right way, have we tried signing a petition, creating a union, going on strike, if all active accounts hit vac for a week, i'm sure mods would be more willing to implement ideas for anti-scamming measures that people have suggested.

A "he stole so its ok for me to steal back" mindset is just down and out wrong, its at this time i quote the bible, "thou shalt not steal" tho religion might not be for everyone, the 10 commandments, no mater if your christian or not, guide a better way for life.

The only thing i have learnt from this thread is that more people are morally ambiguous than i originally thought.

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[Angnoch]

il say it again,

I'm still with Clarkey at this point and always will be, i have never been scammed, i know its a very real risk, and i'm naturally cautious. If i was silly enough to not to get (at least 5) references from a trader and do my in depth background check, and then pay half now half after i have the stuff for example and got scammed, i would not trade with the scammer again, however i would NOT scam my stuff back from him/her i would simply write it off as a bad debt. If someone was to offer my stuff back for free after i had written it off i would share it with my alliance (as i had already written it off it wouldn't cause a shortfall in my accounts to ignore it and share it with alliance mates).

In the real world business's have an account called allowance for doubtful debt, this account is sort of a safeguard, your know you wont get all of your creditors to pay you so you put some aside for the inevitable bad debt that you will suffer at some point. NO one that i know of does this in this game bar myself, and i don't really trade much.....

Scamming someone bad for a good cause is never that simple, there are always repercussions eg. If i was to steal for a nasty Dictator and give the money to charity, he will go on a killing spree. If i was to steal money from a big corporation that was exploiting child labor and give to charity, well the company might go down, thousands of people would lose their jobs, homes, their children would be hungry and homeless.

My point is this, who are we to take these things into our own hands when we wont ever know the full extent of the damage it will do, robin hood got people killed...

If you want scamming to stop, do it the right way, have we tried signing a petition, creating a union, going on strike, if all active accounts hit vac for a week, i'm sure mods would be more willing to implement ideas for anti-scamming measures that people have suggested.

A "he stole so its ok for me to steal back" mindset is just down and out wrong, its at this time i quote the bible, "thou shalt not steal" tho religion might not be for everyone, the 10 commandments, no mater if your christian or not, guide a better way for life.

The only thing i have learnt from this thread is that more people are morally ambiguous than i originally thought.

all I can say is *applause* an exemplary post thank you Drahazar thank you very much

Fenrir I hope this teaches you how it feels to lose something from a trusted person

you have proven that you are not in fact a trusted person though Roket you are in reality a scammer now...good job sir good job

[Clarkey]

The account is in my hands now and is still within it's 48hr vacation period. I know what is going to happen to it I have made my final decision, but nothing can be done until the vac period is over.

[Massacre]

The scammed account in question has been handed over, let it go. Typical scammers dont give accounts back, so even if you deem Roket as a scammer, than he is not your "typical scammer". Actually the reverse so just let it go.

[Kjarkur]

The scammed account in question has been handed over, let it go. Typical scammers dont give accounts back, so even if you deem Roket as a scammer, than he is not your "typical scammer". Actually the reverse so just let it go.

Exactly.

-KJ

[judochop]

The scammed account in question has been handed over, let it go. Typical scammers dont give accounts back, so even if you deem Roket as a scammer, than he is not your "typical scammer". Actually the reverse so just let it go.

Exactly.

-KJ

And fenrir bought that account without scamming someone.

And who is to say said money wasn't gained from scamming.

[Kjarkur]

And fenrir bought that account without scamming someone.

I'm not gonna pretend to be a Saint here but you can't expect to walk into a society and steal and grab what you like for as long as you see fit. Eventually you have to pay the price.

Call it karma or what ever you like.

If RoKeT did a bad thing here, then karma will get him too. I don't really care.

I personally refuse to loose sleep over scammers.

-KJ

[Massacre]

To hell with this, Roket, u shoulda deleted it and told fenrir to screw off, no one will treat u differently giving the circumstances, but u woulda battled one scammer and won. Props to u, screw the rest. Ill stil buy from u any day of the week.

[~Coyle~]

To hell with this, Roket, u shoulda deleted it and told fenrir to screw off, no one will treat u differently giving the circumstances, but u woulda battled one scammer and won. Props to u, screw the rest. Ill stil buy from u any day of the week.

Wow this forum has alot of moanbags

[Commander Vimes]

i gotta be honest, there's right and wrong here and nothing will change that but it's time to move on.
i'd still trade with him, albeit on my terms but i still would....

[RoKeT]

what if I payed for it now LMAO

Eric, you have sent $70.00 USD to Bardur arnaldsson.

either way Fenrir thanks for the account and good luck I really hope this was a reality check to you, I have payed for the account and he has payed his debt's to VK this topic can be closed since it's really served all purposes!!!

(by the way I did not pay for it because I felt bad, I think 70 for a TUK and 35Cov is a pretty sweet deal!!!)

[Fenrir~]

what if I payed for it now LMAO

Eric, you have sent $70.00 USD to Bardur arnaldsson.

either way Fenrir thanks for the account and good luck I really hope this was a reality check to you, I have payed for the account and he has payed his debt's to VK this topic can be closed since it's really served all purposes!!!

(by the way I did not pay for it because I felt bad, I think 70 for a TUK and 35Cov is a pretty sweet deal!!!)

Thanks for the trade Roket and enjoy the account

[Rudy Peña]

what if I payed for it now LMAO

Eric, you have sent $70.00 USD to Bardur arnaldsson.

either way Fenrir thanks for the account and good luck I really hope this was a reality check to you, I have payed for the account and he has payed his debt's to VK this topic can be closed since it's really served all purposes!!!

(by the way I did not pay for it because I felt bad, I think 70 for a TUK and 35Cov is a pretty sweet deal!!!)

No he did not pay his debts. You were the one who did that without his consent.

70bucks aint whats the account worth at the time you scammed him. All the naq and UU is to be taken into account you scum bag player.

[HellSinG]

dear roket, first you pm me to post here as i was related to fenrir as he scammed me for 100 tril now u havent replied to my pms after i posted here... I had to find out that you returned naq to VK through forums, but when will you repay me ? You said you will, and now I dont understand you, did you want more replies here and a bigger audiance? Is that the reason you pmed me... I had you for a guy who backs up what he says, but i guess i was wrong. Im looking forward to your prompt reply


for mods: this topic is far from closed !