2 markets?

[[KMA]Avenger]

hey about having a separate market that does not fluctuate at all, with unlimeted resoures...good idea?
let me explain

can we not have a market which sells resources and which deals only with cash?
let me explain further
think about it admin, those that wish to use dollers to trade with will get a much better return for their hard earned dollers and you get more people supportiing the site

our survey says???

[Bahamut]

that would be cool especially for those who use hard earned money

[Loksorr]

that would not be cool since 20$ is "less" in USA than say India

[[KMA]Avenger]

that would not be cool since 20$ is "less" in USA than say India

well i have used cash at the market 3 times and i dont think its cool that someone like me who has little money should pay and get the same rates as some one who uses game resources

i mean does naq or UU or turns exist in the real world and does admin pay his bills with naq?...if you pay your bills and put food on the table using naq, please tell me how to do it to admin/gamemod

[Cole]

that would not be cool since 20$ is "less" in USA than say India

well i have used cash at the market 3 times and i dont think its cool that someone like me who has little money should pay and get the same rates as some one who uses game resources

i mean does naq or UU or turns exist in the real world and does admin pay his bills with naq?...if you pay your bills and put food on the table using naq, please tell me how to do it to admin/gamemod

well said/nice one

[Kirklandkie]

no, we shouldnt have it because cash defeats the purpose of the game

-kirk

[Loksorr]

On the other hand, there are people, who CAN'T pay! Get it?
They can not aford 20$.
And on the other hand, wouldn't it bother you to know, that there is a spoild brat, that throws away hundreds of his fathers $ just to rank 1'st?


And the admin/gamemod found a way to put food on his table using naq.

[[KMA]Avenger]

how can that be?

i would have thought it was the opposit?...wouldnt it help admin to further the development of the game giving it longevity???

[[KMA]Avenger]

On the other hand, there are people, who CAN'T pay! Get it?
They can not aford 20$.
And on the other hand, wouldn't it bother you to know, that there is a spoild brat, that throws away hundreds of his fathers $ just to rank 1'st?


And the admin/gamemod found a way to put food on his table using naq.

yes i do get it but the option is allready present in the market

what i am asking for is a separate market just for those willing to use cash...not replace the allready existing market

and for your second point no that doesnt bother me because there would be a limit on the market, which goes without saying

[[KMA]Avenger]

i dont think i made myself clear(my fault)

when i say unlimited resources i didnt mean you could buy as much as you want whenever you wanted, i meant there will be no fluctuations in price and goods bought you still will have to have a set limit on want can be bought.

so for the sake of argument you will be able to buy;

9k UU

1200 attack turns

100,000,000 naq for $10 US

and these prices and amounts would not change and the market would not run dry, in other words-unlimited resources with say a 3 market turn limit per week as we allready have.

hope this clarifys it more?

and my apologies for not making it clear from the begining

[Wolf359]

No No No!

This would further detract from the ethos that this game is 'Free to Play'.

One of the best things about introducing the market in the first place was that it enabled those who did not have lots of money to get SS, thus evening out, to a degree, the advantage the 'big money spenders' had over everyone else.

Introducing another market to trade for real cash is absurd! Besides, you can already do this in the market! And how do you make it fair if the rates in one market are different to thos in the other?? You can't.

There are some of you (and not all of you new players in any sense of the word) who are saying that it is not fair that you get the same rates for real cash as you do for using in-game resources. Well, there is a really easy answer to that one - Use In-Game Resources. And, if you can't afford to use them yet - actually play the game and concentrate on building up your account.

The current market works fine - if you use it properly you can always profit.

Additionally, I believe if you look at the number of accounts that are on PPT (a heck of a lot) and do some quick calculations then you can see that the game more than likely rakes in a fair bit of cash already, so I doubt Forum would need this idea as a money-spinner.

[RepliJake]

I agree with all but one thing Wolf, I don't believe the game rakes it in now, not many people, from what I can tell spend money "ingame" now, they get their PPT's for uu, naq or turns, the real money now goes to the "so called players" who constantly sell resources for real $$$ meaning the cash is going "out of game" into other people's pockets which is something that should be looked at...

'Resource Farms' Limits

It has been noticed that some accounts exist solely to gain resources, in order to sell to other players via paypal or ebay or whatever. This disrupts the balance of the game, goes against the principles of the point of the game, and is no longer going to be allowed.
While the occiasional sale of 'excess' goods is not going to be chased after, any account that is clearly abusing this will be in violation and subject to penalty, suspension or deletion.

And the blue underlined I believe answers the original post...

[Wolf359]

I agree with all but one thing Wolf, I don't believe the game rakes it in now, not many people, from what I can tell spend money "ingame" now, they get their PPT's for uu, naq or turns, the real money now goes to the "so called players" who constantly sell resources for real $$$ meaning the cash is going "out of game" into other people's pockets which is something that should be looked at...

'Resource Farms' Limits

It has been noticed that some accounts exist solely to gain resources, in order to sell to other players via paypal or ebay or whatever. This disrupts the balance of the game, goes against the principles of the point of the game, and is no longer going to be allowed.
While the occiasional sale of 'excess' goods is not going to be chased after, any account that is clearly abusing this will be in violation and subject to penalty, suspension or deletion.

And the blue underlined I believe answers the original post...

A fair point - but I'm willing to bet that a large number of PPTs are still paying for it with cash.

Besides - creating a cash market so that the game could bring in money, would be at the expense to the fairness and gameplay of TGW.

Let the rich get powerful and the poor be weak!

Is that what we really want?

[Sleipnir]

so for the sake of argument you will be able to buy;

9k UU

1200 attack turns

100,000,000 naq for $10 US

and these prices and amounts would not change and the market would not run dry, in other words-unlimited resources with say a 3 market turn limit per week as we allready have.

So you buy 9k UU for $10. Let's say for arguments sake the prices in the regular market keep developing as they have. Then you could sell those 9k UU at the regular market for 3B naq (which is the direction prices are going). It just doesn't work right, you can't pin prices here and let them free there, it will be asking for exploits.

[[KMA]Avenger]

fair points by both wolf and Sleipnir-but wouldnt you agree for the cash paying customer the market really isnt fair at all?

my account is well established and i can trade naq and uu but i constantly run out of turns and i dont like trading my UU or naq.

now i know what you are thinking mates simply bank enough naq to stockpile turns and when i start running low just farm more naq and buy some!...yes?

well thats not possible for me as i am head of a ppt squad(long story)

my main concern is not how much naq or UU i get, frankly i dont care about naq or uu as i have all ready stated.
what i do want is 1200 att turns at the market as it used to be....heck i can live with 1k turns but not what we are getting now!

the current market is out of control and is not fair in that you dont get a set amount-not only does the price fluctuate but the amount of what you get in return also fluctuates.

thats double barreled economics that is really not fair for the cash paying customer