G&R points for not ascended accounts

[Wolf359]

We're trying o look for some sort of possible compromise.

Bahamut, I think I understand what you mean - but it would all depend upon how much you could upgrade at a at a time - and how much it would cost.

Remember that ascendees stats only go up by 5% each time that they ascend too.

[Bahamut]

yes i know wolf that ascended accounts go +5( on all )

with this first level would allow upgrading max 5%

or all 5 % on 1 segment or 2%attack 1% covertand 2% deff

so ascended gets 4×5%
customized gets 5% via tech upgrades 1 = 0.01% similar like in chaos

i guess only price of upgrades should be recalculated for main

i did, the half ascension sounds and the x% upgrades to the stats are fine. i personally dont plan to ascend, so i support that part. its just your suggestion of the tech ugrades in chaos being suggested. whats the point of putting those 4 tech upgrades into the main server if its similar enough?

it is on 4th page of this topic i did that before i started chaos
but when i saw chaos it become little more clear what i want

so 1st 1000G&R points would allow u to customize main account for 5% total (either on 1 base race tech or combined (look above)) 2nd upgrade unlock would be when u gather 2000G&R points and that stage would allow onother 5% upgrade also either on one race base tech or combined, but with limiting upgrades of race u are curentlly for only 10% max

also if u choose to continue with customized main account ascension should be disabled or vice versa (if u choose to ascend u will loose ability to return and go with customized account)

[GAT-X207]

i tried chaos for a bit but found that i didnt like it too much. if i saw this before chaos started i might agree with you. but since chaos came out i dont see the purpose to add it to the main server. the chaos server was designed to change the gamestyle. with the current upgrades i see no reason to add any big changes to the main server for quite a while, it has only been like this for a month or so.

[Bahamut]

i tried chaos for a bit but found that i didnt like it too much. if i saw this before chaos started i might agree with you. but since chaos came out i dont see the purpose to add it to the main server. the chaos server was designed to change the gamestyle. with the current upgrades i see no reason to add any big changes to the main server for quite a while, it has only been like this for a month or so.

look mate i don't think u quite understand what i had on mind feel free to add me to your msn and i will go all details with u reletad to main server how it was what was uograded when whose ideas where accepted what u need t do etc

if u can't see what this proposal is feel free to pm me i will explain it to u

this is proposal for those that don't want to ascedn and want to find usefull those glory and reputation points

[[ZerO]]

G&R is there for ascension. You don't wanna ascend, that's your loss. If you really want those bonuses, ascend anyway and forget about the ascended account. You can still ascend as often as you want and get your prior bonuses. You really don't need another way to get those bonuses. And if you mean getting the bonuses without the costs involved in ascension, then seriously, forget about it.

^^^YES! O.o

[[SGC_ReplicÅtors]]

Is that all u can say...i am getting the feeling alot of ascended shell accounts dont like this idea becuase...or maybe u just dont want to see a non ascended account take on a shell account.

A)
maybe the technology is better than the ascended bonus

B)
Not much to lose but hella alot to gain...not like ascension u lose evrything.

Well anyway if u dont like this idea of Bahamuts wait till u get a low down on mine its going to give all u ascneded accoutns one hell of a heart atatck.


Anyway my question is why....why dont u like this idea theres more to it than saying its our choice not to ascended,....

[[ZerO]]

Is that all u can say...i am getting the feeling alot of ascended shell accounts dont like this idea becuase...or maybe u just dont want to see a non ascended account take on a shell account.

A)
maybe the technology is better than the ascended bonus

B)
Not much to lose but hella alot to gain...not like ascension u lose evrything.

Well anyway if u dont like this idea of Bahamuts wait till u get a low down on mine its going to give all u ascneded accoutns one hell of a heart atatck.


Anyway my question is why....why dont u like this idea theres more to it than saying its our choice not to ascended,....

Um wrong..I am against the whole idea because it didnt just cost me G&R to ascend 6times... It cost me a **Filtered** load of naq..... and UU ( trained and untrained). It is something I earned for being willing to give up those resources... G&R are easy to get if you work your stats right...but letting go of almost 800k UU and alot of naq on each rebuild..thats what earns you the 5%+ bonus.. If you are not going to ascend..you dont pay these costs, so why should you be able to use your G&R points to help yourself when they are meant to be used to help yourself thru Ascension only? I think the supporters of this idea do know of the cost of Ascension and are trying to find a way around it..I think it would be extremeley unfair to thoise of us who HAVE stepped over the edge, to allow use of G&R for upgrades without Ascension....and the only reason I quoted and replied YES this morning is because I was in a hurry..you now have my ellaboration.

[12agnar0k]

Is that all u can say...i am getting the feeling alot of ascended shell accounts dont like this idea becuase...or maybe u just dont want to see a non ascended account take on a shell account.

A)
maybe the technology is better than the ascended bonus

B)
Not much to lose but hella alot to gain...not like ascension u lose evrything.

Well anyway if u dont like this idea of Bahamuts wait till u get a low down on mine its going to give all u ascneded accoutns one hell of a heart atatck.


Anyway my question is why....why dont u like this idea theres more to it than saying its our choice not to ascended,....

Um wrong..I am against the whole idea because it didnt just cost me G&R to ascend 6times... It cost me a stuff load of naq..... and UU ( trained and untrained). It is something I earned for being willing to give up those resources... G&R are easy to get if you work your stats right...but letting go of almost 800k UU and alot of naq on each rebuild..thats what earns you the 5%+ bonus.. If you are not going to ascend..you dont pay these costs, so why should you be able to use your G&R points to help yourself when they are meant to be used to help yourself thru Ascension only? I think the supporters of this idea do know of the cost of Ascension and are trying to find a way around it..I think it would be extremeley unfair to thoise of us who HAVE stepped over the edge, to allow use of G&R for upgrades without Ascension....and the only reason I quoted and replied YES this morning is because I was in a hurry..you now have my ellaboration.

[311 [TA]]

i wish i could sell my G&R , cuz im sure if i could people would pay alot of naq for 1000 points

and i bet someone would pay for 1000 6 times really quick.....dang i can only dream, lol

[Bahamut]

Um wrong..I am against the whole idea because it didnt just cost me G&R to ascend 6times... It cost me a stuff load of naq..... and UU ( trained and untrained). It is something I earned for being willing to give up those resources... G&R are easy to get if you work your stats right...but letting go of almost 800k UU and alot of naq on each rebuild..thats what earns you the 5%+ bonus.. If you are not going to ascend..you dont pay these costs, so why should you be able to use your G&R points to help yourself when they are meant to be used to help yourself thru Ascension only? I think the supporters of this idea do know of the cost of Ascension and are trying to find a way around it..I think it would be extremeley unfair to thoise of us who HAVE stepped over the edge, to allow use of G&R for upgrades without Ascension....and the only reason I quoted and replied YES this morning is because I was in a hurry..you now have my ellaboration.

well i'm sorry that u choosed path of enlightment but as i said there should be abillity for those who ascended to reverse to customized accounts

also we heard a lot of time that G&R points where ment for ascension but lot of other stuff where ment to be like this and ended up like that and are still modified!

[[ZerO]]

Um wrong..I am against the whole idea because it didnt just cost me G&R to ascend 6times... It cost me a stuff load of naq..... and UU ( trained and untrained). It is something I earned for being willing to give up those resources... G&R are easy to get if you work your stats right...but letting go of almost 800k UU and alot of naq on each rebuild..thats what earns you the 5%+ bonus.. If you are not going to ascend..you dont pay these costs, so why should you be able to use your G&R points to help yourself when they are meant to be used to help yourself thru Ascension only? I think the supporters of this idea do know of the cost of Ascension and are trying to find a way around it..I think it would be extremeley unfair to thoise of us who HAVE stepped over the edge, to allow use of G&R for upgrades without Ascension....and the only reason I quoted and replied YES this morning is because I was in a hurry..you now have my ellaboration.

well i'm sorry that u choosed path of enlightment but as i said there should be abillity for those who ascended to reverse to customized accounts

also we heard a lot of time that G&R points where ment for ascension but lot of other stuff where ment to be like this and ended up like that and are still modified!

Why would we want to revert to customized accounts? And if we do, do we get the same luxury that you are proposing non-ascension brings? You get away without it costing you the resources that it cost me, so if I revert my account, do I get everything back? no..because there is no way to tell what anyone paid since it is different for each person. All in all, I am stating that I cannot find anyway for you guys to use your G&R points without Ascension that would be fair to those of us who have chosen the path. Bahamut, you are a strong player and have been here for a long time. Secondly, I have been privy to many of your ideas in the past about this game and while they were well laid plans, this seems like a desperate attempt to get your point across. I dont mean to offend you, but this is how I percieve your idea. In the end, if this idea is being entertained by Forum, I think it should be put to a vote by those who have already ascended. If the majority of us who have taken the path ( and incurred the cost of doing so) believe your idea has merit, then by all means, Forum should institue such a program.

[Bahamut]

what i had on mind is

for example:

if u ascended twice u get to upgrade first 10% for free u don't pay for them that is what i had on mind

[daivahataka]

Considering that after the 6th ascention the bonus is 1% should this not be used as the increment for these cheap semiascentions, since you are keeping all your income producers, covert, attack and defence, the stuff which this stat may affect?
Either way I don't think it'd be a fair idea on those who've made the effort to ascend, but 5% boost to a stat, with no real cost (since G&R cost nothing to gain, they merely reflect your position, which these boosts will make even easier to retain or improve on) is definitely living in dream land.

[311 [TA]]

i think a 1% boost to all stats would be something possible

i would have to get 30,000 G&R points to get a 30% boost, that will take a very very long time, lol

[SGC_Sam Fisher]

The 1% boost idea is a good compromise.