Tea Party/Libertarians

[Legendary Apophis]

What are the differences and what are the similarities between both ideologies libertarian/tea party ("don't tread on me")?

[Jack]

Tea Partiers were, once upon a time, Republican libertarians with religious leanings. Now they're just Republicans.

[Psyko]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4BY5ZGurCU

[Jack]

Some of those opinions expressed by the "tea partier" are strawmen. But the video is more or less accurate. Like I said, Tea Party is just another way of saying Republican.

[Empy]

Tea Party people are just straight up crazy really super far right Republicans.

Libertarians are quite different.

[Psyko]

Some of those opinions expressed by the "tea partier" are strawmen. But the video is more or less accurate. Like I said, Tea Party is just another way of saying Republican.

True.

I would say the Tea Party is for staunch Republicans, whereas "Republicans" tend to be moving away from some of their traditional values.

Personally, I'm a Libertarian, but I'm a member of the Independent Party. Most people assume I am liberal because of the basic social issues, because only liberals would be okay with gay marriage and similar social issues.

[Empy]

Some of those opinions expressed by the "tea partier" are strawmen. But the video is more or less accurate. Like I said, Tea Party is just another way of saying Republican.

True.

I would say the Tea Party is for staunch Republicans, whereas "Republicans" tend to be moving away from some of their traditional values.

Personally, I'm a Libertarian, but I'm a member of the Independent Party. Most people assume I am liberal because of the basic social issues, because only liberals would be okay with gay marriage and similar social issues.

That's funny, I'm a Libertarian too except most people assume I'm a republican because of the non-social issues.

[Psyko]

Some of those opinions expressed by the "tea partier" are strawmen. But the video is more or less accurate. Like I said, Tea Party is just another way of saying Republican.

True.

I would say the Tea Party is for staunch Republicans, whereas "Republicans" tend to be moving away from some of their traditional values.

Personally, I'm a Libertarian, but I'm a member of the Independent Party. Most people assume I am liberal because of the basic social issues, because only liberals would be okay with gay marriage and similar social issues.

That's funny, I'm a Libertarian too except most people assume I'm a republican because of the non-social issues.

[Legendary Apophis]

Tea Partiers were, once upon a time, Republican libertarians with religious leanings. Now they're just Republicans.

Just Republicans...you mean like Ron Paul (libertarians), or like Romney (establishment - mainstream)?

Someone who studies at Harvard Kennedy School of Politics told me that Tea Party were rather similar to libertarians except on society issues and sometimes international stance. Himself is a Tea party member apparently.

Rather complicated these nuances considering of changes overtime , but well, ISideWith says I'm quite close with Romney stances (except economy and social where I'm rather centrist, and international issues closer to Obama, but that's maybe due to being from the other side of Atlantic ocean lol), and very far from Gary Johnson.

[Psyko]

Tea Partiers were, once upon a time, Republican libertarians with religious leanings. Now they're just Republicans.

Just Republicans...you mean like Ron Paul (libertarians), like Romney (establishment - mainstream), or like Rick Santorum ("radical")?

Someone who studies at Harvard Kennedy School of Politics told me that Tea Party were rather similar to libertarians except on society issues and sometimes international stance. Himself is a Tea party member apparently.

Honestly, there are many different types of Libertarians when you take it down to minute details.

But I really like this explanation.

Libertarianism is the belief that each person has the right to live his life as he chooses so long as he respects the equal rights of others. Libertarians defend each person’s right to life, liberty, and property. In the libertarian view, voluntary agreement is the gold standard of human relationships. If there is no good reason to forbid something (a good reason being that it violates the rights of others), it should be allowed. Force should be reserved for prohibiting or punishing those who themselves use force, such as murderers, robbers, rapists, kidnappers, and defrauders (who practice a kind of theft). Most people live their own lives by that code of ethics. Libertarians believe that that code should be applied consistently, even to the actions of governments, which should be restricted to protecting people from violations of their rights. Governments should not use their powers to censor speech, conscript the young, prohibit voluntary exchanges, steal or “redistribute” property, or interfere in the lives of individuals who are otherwise minding their own business.

Read this, too. That should help. http://www.bermanpost.com/2010/10/is-te ... arian.html

[[KMA]Avenger]

@Jim, what's your opinion of the founding fathers of America and their views of liberty compared to America today?

When you reply please keep in mind that many things today are wholly unconstitutional and things are going on today which back in the founding fathers day would have been enough to start another secession/revolution against the power of big centralised govt.


Just curious

[Legendary Apophis]

@Jim, what's your opinion of the founding fathers of America and their views of liberty compared to America today?

When you reply please keep in mind that many things today are wholly unconstitutional and things are going on today which back in the founding fathers day would have been enough to start another secession/revolution against the power of big centralised govt.


Just curious

America was a brand new nation independent from UK and had to go on its own and create bases of this new society on some values. However, you cannot say the situation nowadays is the same as two hundred thirty six years ago: thirteen colonies are now a fifty states nation with many more people than at its creation. Conquest of the West, Secession War, 1930s crisis, two world wars, Cold War and many other things happened inbetween. Same as one couldn't compare France of 1789 with 2000s France. I firmly believe that what may have worked in the independent thirteen colonies couldn't work nowadays because of the critical changes over centuries. Whether it's country itself, or politics themselves.
Don't forget that back then America was mainly puritan and what the State didn't do, religion and culture did it, as religious values were there before 1776 independence thus causing a rather free constitution as religion already dealt with values and what was allowed/forbidden. Thus not really requiring State intervention as religion did that itself. Nowadays however, it's not quite the same, as religion lost its primary role in America. Thus libertarian views of 1776 in the context cannot be compared with 2012 libertarian views considering major changes.

This whole belief that 1776=2012 is what Historians call anachronism.

[[KMA]Avenger]

You misunderstand, i'm referring solely to big govt and unjust rule which is the same today as it was back then. king George violated the British constitution (Magna Carta which the colonies were subject to) just as today the federal govt is violating the US constitution.

If the founding fathers were alive today they would be outraged as to how the federal govt have crapped all over the constitution and also at the peoples lack of duty since the US constitution clearly states that tyrannical govt must be thrown of and it's the peoples duty to restore the republic if the govt ever went against the constitution...which it has. so disregarding the religious and moral aspects of change differences between then and now and solely on the fact the govt is illegal just as King Georges govt was illegal...what say ye?

[Angnoch]

You misunderstand, i'm referring solely to big govt and unjust rule which is the same today as it was back then. king George violated the British constitution (Magna Carta which the colonies were subject to) just as today the federal govt is violating the US constitution.

If the founding fathers were alive today they would be outraged as to how the federal govt have crapped all over the constitution and also at the peoples lack of duty since the US constitution clearly states that tyrannical govt must be thrown of and it's the peoples duty to restore the republic if the govt ever went against the constitution...which it has. so disregarding the religious and moral aspects of change differences between then and now and solely on the fact the govt is illegal just as King Georges govt was illegal...what say ye?

I say +1